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NYYFan63 03-28-2018 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ergoism (Post 1760802)
These are good questions, there are a few factors that led to me choosing Heritage.

1. I ultimately decided to sell the card to buy family our dream home and HA had no problem advancing me the money to do so.

2. I thought that Heritage would be the best at getting the exposure the card deserves. I use PWCC and Probstein for the vast majority of my sales but I didn't want to roll the dice in such a limited time frame of 10 days. I do recall the Action Comics #1 CGC 9.0 you're referring to that was auctioned on eBay so the idea of PWCC or someone else on eBay is not asinine.

3. I had a nice discussion with Chris Ivy at HA and proposed the crytpocurrency idea which could open the door to a few more bidders. Him being receptive to that helped my decision.

4. And lastly, as this card is auctioning, I'm like a kid in a candy store bidding in their auction.



I did consider other auction houses like Goldin since they've done some impressive numbers on elite items. In the end, my gut was to go to HA and let it fly no reserve. Whatever happens, this is a really fun experience.


Best of luck to you and your family Evan.


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WWG 03-28-2018 10:50 AM
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Just as a comparison, one of the Gem Mint cards has a slight tilt in the centering and does not compare to the one currently at auction.

ullmandds 03-28-2018 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by WWG (Post 1761926)
Just as a comparison, one of the Gem Mint cards has a slight tilt in the centering and does not compare to the one currently at auction.
i thought a 10 was supposed to be as perfect as a card can be?

WWG 03-28-2018 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1761934)
i thought a 10 was supposed to be as perfect as a card can be?
According to PSA there is room for imperfection.

barrysloate 03-28-2018 11:18 AM
A 9 and a 10 are the same card but with different labels.

ullmandds 03-28-2018 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1761938)
A 9 and a 10 are the same card but with different labels.
ya...i know...it's just sad and a joke and it pisses me off...that's all!

MattyC 03-28-2018 11:56 AM
Evan's 9 over that tilted 10, all day.

GaryPassamonte 03-28-2018 11:58 AM
I didn't read the whole thread and maybe this has been discussed. This Mantle is the variation that has the white fleck in the blue background on the upper left. This particular Mantle also has a fleck above the cap. These faults aside, this is obviously a great card and will break all records at auction. However, these printing defects keep it, as well as the PSA 10 pictured in this thread, out of the "flawless" mint category for me. I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. I'm just stating obvious concerns when dealing with graded cards and huge money.

Sean 03-28-2018 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mark evans (Post 1761909)
I'm sure this appears somewhere on the Board, but could someone please advise of the top 5 sales of cards in order of price, whether by auction or private sale?

Thanks.
I can tell you the two highest sales prices. The Wagner PSA 5 (known as the Jumbo Wagner) sold two years ago for approximately $3.1 million. Prior to that the Gretzky Wagner (PSA 8 or PSA Authentic, take your pick) sold for approximately $2.8 million in a private sale. The buyer is the owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

This Mantle appears likely to exceed both of these sales prices.

oldjudge 03-28-2018 12:20 PM
Nice card--tulipmania

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2018 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1761969)
Nice card--tulipmania
I don't know Jay, there seem to be enough guys with money who really care about the numerical grade that you may be wrong.

mechanicalman 03-28-2018 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1761969)
Nice card--tulipmania
What does that mean?

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2018 12:50 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

He means it's a bubble.

mark evans 03-28-2018 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1761965)
I can tell you the two highest sales prices. The Wagner PSA 5 (known as the Jumbo Wagner) sold two years ago for approximately $3.1 million. Prior to that the Gretzky Wagner (PSA 8 or PSA Authentic, take your pick) sold for approximately $2.8 million in a private sale. The buyer is the owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

This Mantle appears likely to exceed both of these sales prices.
Thanks, Sean.

Do you happen to know the most paid to date for a 52 Mantle? Was it the 8.5 that sold for $1,150,000? PSA shows SMR for a PSA 9 at $2.5 million. Does this reflect an actual sale? Thanks.

MattyC 03-28-2018 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanicalman (Post 1761986)
What does that mean?
It means some dude is salty because whatever he likes isn’t getting the attention this card is getting.

oldjudge 03-28-2018 03:04 PM
Peter-Prices can't go up if there isn't demand. The question is how long this level of demand will persist. There was plenty of demand for tulips until February 1637. Then there wasn't.
And for those who don't know the story:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3FcXeDZFc

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2018 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1762046)
Peter-Prices can't go up if there isn't demand. The question is how long this level of demand will persist. There was plenty of demand for tulips until February 1637. Then there wasn't.
And for those who don't know the story:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3FcXeDZFc
Jay we aren't talking about a market-wide phenomenon, we are talking about a tiny little elite corner where all it takes are two guys going after a single card (or one guy and the house :) ) to sustain very high prices. And I believe there are enough of a certain profile of collector that I can see the demand persisting.

iowadoc77 03-28-2018 03:50 PM
I tend to agree with Peter... FOR NOW at least.
It takes one person who absolutely has to have it and at least one to chase until they give up.

MVSNYC 03-28-2018 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mark evans (Post 1762018)
Thanks, Sean.

Do you happen to know the most paid to date for a 52 Mantle? Was it the 8.5 that sold for $1,150,000? PSA shows SMR for a PSA 9 at $2.5 million. Does this reflect an actual sale? Thanks.
I think the $1.15M was highest recorded sale so far...the $2.5M estimate for a 9 is exactly that, an estimate. I think we’ll see this 9 sell for more, probably $3.5M+.

Wishing Evan all the best!

PS- maybe this sale might shake a “10” loose...we’ll see.

Bestdj777 03-28-2018 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1762067)
I think the $1.15M was highest recorded sale so far...the $2.5M estimate for a 9 is exactly that, an estimate. I think we’ll see this 9 sell for more, probably $3.5M+.

Wishing Evan all the best!

PS- maybe this sale might shake a “10” loose...we’ll see.
If I had the 10, this wouldn't be the time I'd sell it given that this should take at least one of the big players out of the market temporarily.

Gorgeous card Even. I showed this to my wife and she, at least temporarily, felt a little bad about making me sell one of mine to fund a house purchase--my card was a beater and so is my house though...

Stonepony 03-28-2018 04:33 PM
A 10 going to market would certainly be an interesting study in how much someone is willing to pay for the prestige of a 10 flip, because there is zero chance any 10 out there has better eye appeal and beauty than Evan's.

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2018 04:40 PM
10s seem to command a huge premium across the board, and I doubt in many cases you could tell the difference from a 9. Indeed, many 10s are 9s that bumped. No reason to think it would be any different in the case of the Mantle, with the one caveat being that there are so few 9s that the gap might not be as substantial as is the norm.

GasHouseGang 03-28-2018 05:20 PM
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How about we just pick the best looking Mantle. And no fair picking the PSA 9, it's just there for comparison.

ullmandds 03-28-2018 05:42 PM
Just scanned those examples wothout looking at flips...the 9 is by far the best...the 86 at the end was 2nd best to me!

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2018 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1762103)
Just scanned those examples wothout looking at flips...the 9 is by far the best...the 86 at the end was 2nd best to me!
Hard for me to tell because some of the scans are really overbright (the 9 is radioactive) so it's not a direct comparison. Not directed at Pete but I don't know why when it's so obvious that different scan settings yield different results, that people are always ready, willing and able to make comparisons from scans alone.

ullmandds 03-28-2018 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1762105)
Hard for me to tell because some of the scans are really overbright (the 9 is radioactive) so it's not a direct comparison. Not directed at Pete but I don't know why when it's so obvious that different scan settings yield different results, that people are always ready, willing and able to make comparisons from scans alone.
Pertinent point

oldjudge 03-28-2018 05:55 PM
I liked the 86 the best. I'm not a fan of the no line at the bottom of the logo variety.

Stonepony 03-28-2018 06:04 PM
I'm in the SGC 86 boat too

irv 03-28-2018 06:42 PM
Man, SGC grades tough!

84 then 86 for me, aside from the 9.

TheNightmanCometh 03-28-2018 06:45 PM
PSA 9 for me, but that last SGC is close

irv 03-28-2018 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNightmanCometh (Post 1762135)
PSA 9 for me, but that last SGC is close
I edited my post, but I read it as "the best, other than the 9"? :confused:

GaryPassamonte 03-28-2018 07:07 PM
I'm with you Jay regarding the no line logo variety.

calvindog 03-28-2018 07:19 PM
The two SGC cards are spectacular. As is the 9.

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2018 07:21 PM
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I'm not a huge fan of either variety because I don't think it looks like him all that much. Something got a bit lost in the translation.

pherbener 03-28-2018 07:34 PM
VERY nice Peter!!

Peter_Spaeth 03-28-2018 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pherbener (Post 1762152)
VERY nice Peter!!
not mine

pherbener 03-28-2018 07:53 PM
Still nice!:D

GasHouseGang 03-28-2018 08:47 PM
What do you think the odds are that PSA would cross that last SGC86 to an PSA8?

pherbener 03-28-2018 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 1762185)
What do you think the odds are that PSA would cross that last SGC86 to an PSA8?
ZERO! Unless you have the balls to crack it out of the slab!!

Jdoggs 03-28-2018 09:15 PM
I like the psa 8 ending in 511 the best because of it’s sharp corners and white clean borders.
Not counting the psa 9 which is obviously the best.

mantlefan 03-28-2018 09:27 PM
52 Mantle
 
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Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 1762185)
What do you think the odds are that PSA would cross that last SGC86 to an PSA8?
I think it will likely come back as "trimmed".

Aside from the PSA 9, I agree that the PSA 8 ending in 511 is the best of the lot.

pokerplyr80 03-28-2018 10:19 PM
The fact that none of those high grade examples are centered except for Evan's 9 show how hard it is to find a centered 52 Mantle. And those are cards that have probably sold for 200-500k. I agree with the consensus that the sgc 7.5 has the best eye appeal, especially if you factored in the couple hundred grand you'd save vs what either of the psa 8s would cost.

Tabe 03-29-2018 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by oldjudge (Post 1762108)
I liked the 86 the best. I'm not a fan of the no line at the bottom of the logo variety.
Learn something new every day. I had no idea there were line and no line variations on this card. I agree with you that the line versions look better.

But Evan's 9 is still, by far, the best card in the batch posted.

Peter_Spaeth 03-29-2018 06:11 AM
That's the most obvious difference between the two variations but there are a few other subtle ones as well.

iowadoc77 03-29-2018 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Tabe (Post 1762224)
Learn something new every day. I had no idea there were line and no line variations on this card. I agree with you that the line versions look better.

But Evan's 9 is still, by far, the best card in the batch posted.
Didn't know this either. Had t look at mine which is certainly not in this group grade wise, but is missing the line under the logo.

MattyC 03-29-2018 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1762208)
The fact that none of those high grade examples are centered except for Evan's 9 show how hard it is to find a centered 52 Mantle.
To your centering point, this healthy sampling below is from Heritage past sales. The results on the 1951 Bowman Mantle and 1957 Topps Mantle and 1969 Topps Mantle are about as depressing for those who like centered cards. I see two with great centering.

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...e/60107/jjoklj
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...tle/60108/nu-2
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...60109/sample-3
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...60110/sample-4
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...60111/sample-5
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...60112/sample-6

BengoughingForAwhile 03-29-2018 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tabe (Post 1762224)
Learn something new every day. I had no idea there were line and no line variations on this card. I agree with you that the line versions look better.

But Evan's 9 is still, by far, the best card in the batch posted.
You've got me in stitches now. Left or right, I'm not sure which one. :)

Peter_Spaeth 03-29-2018 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bengoughingforawhile (Post 1762272)
you've got me in stitches now. Left or right, i'm not sure which one. :)
lol.

Peter_Spaeth 03-29-2018 08:45 AM
I am now convinced that a fetish for perfect centering is a manifestation of OCD. :D

Quite a few of the cards Matt posted look very nicely centered to me.

MattyC 03-29-2018 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1762299)
I am now convinced that a fetish for perfect centering is a manifestation of OCD. :D

Quite a few of the cards Matt posted look very nicely centered to me.
It may very well be, Peter :) I swear when I look at the borders of a card and see any sloping or one that is thinner than the other, I just cannot bid on the card. And it's gotten worse as I've gotten older!


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