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tedzan 05-29-2018 07:51 PM

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys......T206 printed sheet structure
 
* * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *


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Now, let's consider the T206 group we refer to as the Elite 11. Actually, 12 subjects are in this group when we include the one Frank Schulte card with the
rare PIEDMONT 350 back. Is this card a printer's anomaly, or was it legitimately issued ? Only time can provide us the answer to this question. So, for now
this series of guys conform with the magic "12 factor".


Elite 11.....plus Schulte
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...indaman12x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Schulte25x.jpg




SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory #649 (overprint) sheet

The make-up of an early 150 Series sheet is known by virtue of the SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory #649 overprinted cards. It is my firm opinion that the
34 subjects in this group were printed on a 36-card sheet, in which ALC included two Double-Printed (D-P) cards.

The number "34" does not in any way fit into the 150 Series structure of 156 subjects.

Regarding the two D-P cards, my 1st guess would be Johnson and Mathewson. Does anyone here want to venture a guess which 2 subjects were D-P ?


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TED Z
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gregr2 05-30-2018 06:40 PM

Hi Ted, thanks for always providing such top notch T206 information. I notice you say you “speculate” about such things as players next to each other on a sheet and other things. My question is, did the printers not keep records or have they all been destroyed? Sorry if this has been answered before.


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tedzan 05-30-2018 09:20 PM

T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys......T206 printed sheet structure
 
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Originally Posted by gregr2 (Post 1782042)
Hi Ted, thanks for always providing such top notch T206 information. I notice you say you “speculate” about such things as players next to each other on a sheet and other things. My question is, did the printers not keep records or have they all been destroyed? Sorry if this has been answered before.

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Thanks Greg, and, you ask a great question. Apparently, nothing was saved from American Litho's printing days of their various sets of tobacco cards (1909 - 1919).
Millions and millions of cards were produced, and not even a single sheet of cards has been discovered. This is really very strange. The only example which I know of
players horizontally adjacent to each other on a sheet is Chance (yellow portrait) and Cobb (red portrait), because I have seen a mis-cut T206 indicating this.

Years ago I was in downtown Manhattan, so I ventured over to Park Ave. and E 19th Street where the American Lithographic building still stands. I entered it, hoping
to find a showroom (or some kind of museum) displaying all the great stuff this great printing Company produced in the early 20th Century. What I found were many
professional offices, but no showrooms and no displays of any kind. The only thing I got out that visit was this photo I took of the building's entrance.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpg


One of the competitors to American Lithographic (ALC) was Schmidt Lithography in San Francisco. They produced the OBAK cards. If you go to San Francisco,
visit the museum that Schmidt Lithography has on display. It's a real shame that ALC did not do the same.


TED Z
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Pat R 05-31-2018 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1782099)
Thanks Greg, and, you ask a great question. Apparently, nothing was saved from American Litho's printing days of their various sets of tobacco cards (1909 - 1919).
Millions and millions of cards were produced, and not even a single sheet of cards has been discovered. This is really very strange. The only example which I know of
players horizontally adjacent to each other on a sheet is Chance (yellow portrait) and Cobb (red portrait),
because I have seen a mis-cut T206 indicating this.

Years ago I was in downtown Manhattan, so I ventured over to Park Ave. and E 19th Street where the American Lithographic building still stands. I entered it, hoping
to find a showroom (or some kind of museum) displaying all the great stuff this great printing Company produced in the early 20th Century. What I found were many
professional offices, but no showrooms and no displays of any kind. The only thing I got out that visit was this photo I took of the building's entrance.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpg


One of the competitors to American Lithographic (ALC) was Schmidt Lithography in San Francisco. They produced the OBAK cards. If you go to San Francisco,
visit the museum that Schmidt Lithography has on display. It's a real shame that ALC did not do the same.


TED Z
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There are several horizontal miscut T206's

Here are the ones I have scans of...

Stephens with a part Of Rossman
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Sheckard with Part of Goode, these two are also Neighbors on
a plate scratch sheet.

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Bergen with part of Herzog (Boston) that Jantz picked up at last years national

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horizontal sheet mates can also be found on many of the ghosts...

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on scraps such as the test print scrap....

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and on all of the plate scratch sheets

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jerrys 05-31-2018 09:07 AM

Hi Ted,

Well worth reading is an article written by Andy Broome - Printing The Monster.

The article explores the logistics of assembling the player permission and images needed to produce such an enormous checklist anticipated and the clever way it was done. The connection between Joseph P. Knapp, the founder and head of the American Lithographic Company, and James B. Duke, head of the American Tobacco Company, for the printing of nearly all T-cards inserted into ATC products.

Explains the chromolithography process where T206 card sheets are passed through the printer six times for the six different layers of colors and the accuracy needed to keep perfect alignment. Blurry and ghost images as a result of any misalignment. Included in the engineering is the necessary ink color sequence of the layers in the printing.

Beside the image of the entrance to the ALC building there are pictures of a 10 ton lithopress and cutters that cut finished cardsheets of the T206 cards.

Published by Beckett Vintage Collector April, 2018.

tedzan 05-31-2018 06:03 PM

Thanks Jerry,

I will check out Andy Broome's article.


TED Z
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RedsFan1941 05-31-2018 07:17 PM

i always enjoy seeing the latest research uncovered by the plate scratches. awesome groundbreaking work patrick

tedzan 05-31-2018 08:00 PM

Hi Pat

Thanks for posting those horizontal mis-cut T206's.

Many years ago I saw a horizontal mis-cut T206 with the Chance (yellow portrait) adjacent to the red Cobb.


TED Z
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Pat R 05-31-2018 08:32 PM

Thanks Ronnie.

I've heard of the Chance/Cobb Ted but I have never seen the card
or a scan. I think Brian W still has the Sheckard/Goode which I think
is one of the coolest T206 cards.

edhans 06-01-2018 05:36 AM

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Bergen with part of Herzog (Boston) that Jantz picked up at last years national

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I sold that one to Jantz. Sad to think I won't be seeing him again.


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