Hi Luke

I just reviewed my records of 2 years ago and the Pop numbers I had posted in my thread did not include the PSA data (although I stated that in that thread).....my bad.

So, the average Pop number for the 35 subjects in the AB 350NF group increases to 19 when PSA + SGC are totaled. Therefore, when we consider your Pop numbers for
Nicholls and Stahl, I say they do support my contention. So. what say you about this ?

Nichols 13 (PSA-9 & SGC -4) See note below

Stahl 14 (PSA-7 & SGC-7)


Note
PSA has 2 distinct AB 350NF listings for Nichols. The listing you didn't cite has only 3 graded. Please explain why you chose the 9 data ? And, what is the difference ?


Thanks,

TED Z
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Hey Ted,

PSA used the generic "American Beauty" for all ABs regardless of series when they first started noting the backs on the flip. Recently, they got more specific and now they will note "American Beauty 350 no frame" on the flip.

The generic "American Beauty" heading below shows how many total Nichols American Beautys have been graded (9) and the more specific heading below that shows how many have been graded more recently and given the more specific "American Beauty 350 no frame" flip.

If you look at the individual entries in the "AB 350 no frame" listing, you'll see that those 3 cards are also counted as part of the 9 total cards graded under the generic heading.

Since we know that all Nichols ABs are the AB 350nf, we know that all 9 have the same back.

It's the same for Sovereign and Cycle. The Pop reports are not of much value for finding how many Sov150 have been graded if the same pose exists with Sov350. The generic heading will have say 30 listings, and the specific Sov150 and Sov350 listings might only have 2 or 3 each.

Here is my copy. You can see that it is listed in both the generic and the specific headings.

Hi Luke

Thanks for clarifying the two PSA listings on the same Nichols card.


TED Z
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Experiences collecting T206 sets, tell us your story
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


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My 1st adventure into rare F/B combos

I will begin with my 1st set of T206 cards. I started collecting T206's in 1981, when I acquired the Hal Chase card (displayed here) at the Willow Grove Show in Pennsylvania.
I've always been an avid set collector (completed sets of 1887 A & G, 1888 N162, T205, T207, Goudey's, Dia Stars, PlayBall's, Leaf's, Bowman's and 1952 Topps-1987 Topps.
So, this T206 set was not high priority for me. I completed this 521-card set circa 1996. I was smart about buying the Cobb's (and other major stars) in the early 1980's.
The Cobb's were selling for only $20 back then for VgEx to Ex condition. Also, I acquired a MAGIE (Vg) for only $600 (circa 1987).

Furthermore, note the Lundgren / EPDG at the top of this page. I thank Barry Sloate for starting me searching for rare front/back combos with this one in the early 1980's.



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Anyone want to guess what I paid for this card in 1981 ?


OK guys, that's my initial T206 story......would love to hear your experiences in the quest to (near) complete "The Monster" ?


TED Z
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I'm guessing you paid $6.That include a premium for the rare Old Mill back. :D

I was paying $25.00 for 50 different in 1977 so I will guess $1.00 Ted

Experiences collecting T206 sets, tell us your story
 

OK, Sean and Mike

I paid $8 for the Chase.

Back then, unless it was a T206 DRUM back, not much consideration was given to "rare" backs by most dealers.


TED Z
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My 2nd T206 set story......
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *


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Gee, I thought some of you would chime in here and share your experience(s) of putting together your T206 sets.

Oh well....I sold my first T206 set in 1997 to a close friend. Then in 2004, a long-time friend of mine from Florida called me to say they were driving up to Pennsylvania to visit
relatives. And, he was bringing his T206 collection with him. He asked me if I was interested in it ? Of course, I said yes !
We worked out a nice cash/trade deal (his T206's for my Goudey's and Diamond Stars and a stack of Ben Franklin's). Afterward, we celebrated by treating them to an exquisite
dinner at the near-by Washington Crossing Inn.

This T206 collection comprised of approx. 500 cards, including the St Louis variations of Demmitt & O'Hara, and 29 different T206 backs (no BL 460 or DRUM). Within a month,
I acquired the needed Stars and Commons to make it a 520-card set.

Stay tuned, my 3rd set is an interesting adventure. Meanwhile, I do look forward to hearing of your set experiences.


TED Z
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I got somewhat of a late start on my T206 collection. I didn't get serious about the cards and the set until 2010. Before that, I spent time collecting post-war cards, coins, stamps, and comic books from 1982 to 2009. I had a small number of T206's before really being interested in them. All low grade commons. I don't really count them as the start. My start and what I still call my first T206 set purchase in 2010 was a Hooks Wiltse Pitching. I remember scanning the pages of ebay looking for something special to officially start my set. Viewing the scans of the fronts & backs and looking for hidden gems. Then I found it. Wiltse Pitching PSA 2 with a blurry scan of the Piedmont 350-460 back. Even with the blurry scan, I could tell the factory line was longer (factory 42) than all the other Piedmont backs. So I hit the Buy It Now for $44.95 and have been hooked ever since. My first 5 purchases over the first month consisted of four Piedmont 42's and a Bob Groom Tolstoi Back. In my second month on my ninth purchase, I bought a Bob Groom Polar Bear. Nine cards in and i'm playing with the idea of a Front/Back combo set. I'm currently at 1249 different Front/Back combo's and that number has no Piedmont's except for Factory 42's and no Sweet Caporals. Within the 1249 cards, I'm ten cards away from a 520 set. The only complete back sub-set within the 1249 is the Old Mill SL set. I'm 5 away from a Sovereign 460 set, 3 being super prints and 2 others. I'm 40 away from a Polar Bear set and have the Demmitt St Louis. One sub-set I have that I don't count in my 1249 different cards is the Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Print" Scraps, 27 different cards including Cobb Bat Off. When these were listed on ebay, only 27 different cards showed up even though I believe it is a 28 card set. I believe this is the most complete set intact. I also know David Hall has a decent amount of the set too but don't know which ones he's missing. All I can say is its been a fun 7 years since starting this set and I owe Net54 and the experts for much of it. Thank you.

OK, I'll post mine. Used to collect cards when I was younger in the late 80's. My last name is Mullen. At that time I bought a T206 Mullen portrait for about $20 and a Tinker, Evers, Chance for about $25 each (the same missing red Tinker in my avatar). Fast forward to 2007 when I happened to go thru some old things and I found these 4 cards. I was just getting started with playing poker and I told myself that it would be a fun project to try and put the set together. Fast forward to today and I'm at 506. My set consists of some rare backs (Lenox), 2 signed (both Larry Doyle), a scrap (Lucky Wright), a blank back, a card with a ton of extra color that bled all over the card, and a Harry Davis Phila. Amep (instead of Phila. Amer.). My set (and my overall collection) has solely been built with poker and sports betting winnings. Although I'm up a good amount overall, it hasn't been all smooth sailing (as I've had to sell 2 green Cobb's, a signed Larry Doyle, a Lenox, and a couple others hahaha).