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jayshum 05-24-2025 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2517773)
WIth his WAR and BA, he's not making the Hall either way.

You're probably right, but that's what would make it interesting to see what happens if he did actually get to 500 home runs.

Peter_Spaeth 05-24-2025 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomi (Post 2517789)
So we're Jim Rice and Dick Allen.

I am not saying Kent is not deserving, but Rice and Allen were both for at least modest periods close to the best power hitters in the game.

G1911 05-24-2025 11:50 AM

Most homers, 2nd in slugging and RBI to Hornsby, 4th in OPS. Even with the slow start to his career Kent turned out very well and is so high up the 2B leaderboards it seems difficult to justify keeping him out over his late start, but performance is now secondary to narratives. Ortiz is let in with a positive steroid test while the others like him are not given the same treatment, Schilling is kept out for politics, Kent is out for being undesirable, Vizquel is out over a civil claim with no publicly available evidence, the vets committee appears to have reached Frisch era corruption of picking friends. Performance is a lot less relevant than it was 30 years ago. Makes it more difficult to pick who will or won’t among current players that will be up for votes in another decade plus - it will probably have as much as to do with narratives not about actual performance as it does anything definable.

Peter_Spaeth 05-24-2025 12:29 PM

Whitaker IMO even more deserving than Kent. And of course there's the case of Grich.

BioCRN 05-24-2025 02:25 PM

Contemporary ballot coming up this year (for the 2026 HOF class).

Now is the time for baseball to make up for the absolute disrespect of Kenny Lofton being a 1-and-done ballot HOF candidate.

If not for playing vs roiders, he would have been a lot more impressive compared to his peers and more than 6 All-Star selections.

Greg Sonk 05-24-2025 03:34 PM

Kent is one of those guys that shows much better in pure counting stats than modern ones. As soon as you start to take the era he played in into account, his case gets quite a bit worse.

I'm sure the off field stuff doesn't help, but it's not the only reason.

Peter_Spaeth 05-24-2025 03:39 PM

2nd base JAWS rankings

8 Grich
12 Utley
13 Whitaker
22 Kent

Peter_Spaeth 05-29-2025 01:07 PM

Any active pitchers beyond the big three, Cole and Sale who should be considered? DeGrom, already on the list. The traditional stats for all the rest are so unimpressive. Is Fried still a possibility at age 31 and less than 100 wins? Nola who is now awful? Wheeler? Or is the day of the starting pitcher just over?

packs 05-29-2025 01:59 PM

It's hard to imagine a reality where Blake Snell is a HOF pitcher but he's 32 and has two Cy Young awards during his only two decent seasons as a pro. It's not out of the realm of possibility he manages a third good season sometime before he retires and there isn't anyone with three or more Cy Youngs or who isn't in the HOF other than Clemens (assuming Kershaw, Scherzer and Verlander all get elected).

Peter_Spaeth 05-29-2025 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2518839)
It's hard to imagine a reality where Blake Snell is a HOF pitcher but he's 32 and has two Cy Young awards during his only two decent seasons as a pro. It's not out of the realm of possibility he manages a third good season sometime before he retires and there isn't anyone with three or more Cy Youngs or who isn't in the HOF other than Clemens (assuming Kershaw, Scherzer and Verlander all get elected).

If that happens, he still won't make the Hall. As you point out, he's done literally nothing outside his Cy seasons. The same is not true for any other pitcher in that category.

packs 05-29-2025 02:27 PM

It would be an interesting case but I also think it would be really hard to advocate for him. At the same time, he would be among elite pitchers.

Peter_Spaeth 05-29-2025 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2518849)
It would be an interesting case but I also think it would be really hard to advocate for him. At the same time, he would be among elite pitchers.

Same concept in my mind if Schwarber hits 500 HR with a .220 BA. So not happening. At one point I thought Bieber and Buehler were going to be the next great pitchers but that doesn't look likely.

packs 05-29-2025 02:52 PM

I highly doubt Stanton gets there but I feel the same way about him if he were to somehow hit 500 homers. Just not a HOFer in my opinion.

Peter_Spaeth 05-29-2025 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 2518853)
I highly doubt Stanton gets there but I feel the same way about him if he were to somehow hit 500 homers. Just not a HOFer in my opinion.

Completely agree.


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