Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...fdBaker12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg Shown here are some of the stars in the T215-1 set Since no one has responded to the question.... "Do the T215-1 RED CROSS cards belong in the T206 set ?"..... my answer is YES, and NO ! YES for the cards printed and issued circa Spring/Summer 1910....and NO for the cards printed and issued circa Spring 1912. In the Spring/Summer of 1910, ALC was printing sheets of 350 Series (T206) cards. Furthermore, the printing of 1910 COUPON (T213-1) and RED CROSS (1st series) cards coincided with this timeline in the printing of the various T-brands of the T206 set. My initial analysis of the 1st series of T215-1 cards indicates that at least 23 subjects were derived from this 350 Series printing of T206's. These 23 are... Bender (trees) Byrne (St Louis) Eddie Collins (A's) Cree Doolan Dubuc Fromme Hoblitzel Hofman Howard Huggins (hands/mouth) Kelley Krause Marquard (portrait) McGinnity Miller Paskert Purtell Quinn Speaker Street (portrait) Warhop Wilson Also from the 150/350 series, Mathewson (white cap) was included for a starting total of 24 subjects printed in the 1st series of T215-1 cards. Further research is continuing in order to figure out how many more cards were in this 1st series. Anyhow, let's get a meaningful discussion going here. It's amazing the BB card mysteries Net54 members have solved over the years when they share their theories. So, let's hear your opinions regarding this subject ? ? http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dCross50xb.jpg TED Z . |
I am undecided as to whether t215-1 (and t213-1) should be considered t206s, but I am working on several back runs and fully feel i need the type 1 version of the cards to complete the back run. In fact, I would like to get all t213 and t215 versions (including pirate back), as well as t214, to do a true and complete back run. Doesnt answer your question Ted, but maybe advances the topic a bit.
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I would say no since we don't know the full list of who was printed in 1910 and who was 1912. It makes sense to me that both series of cards be grouped together as their own set.
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Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?
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Hi Ryan Spoken like a true "white-bordered tobacco card collector"......good luck with your T-card runs. I try for all of American Litho's printed front/back combos in my serious T-card runs. Starting with my very 1st acquisition of the blue Chase (Willow Grove Show, March 1981) . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...aseblue50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...seblue50xb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ep460fac42.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...v350Sov460.jpg . . . . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...factory42b.jpg . . . . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350Sov460b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...42ovPBxTol.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ap350Fac30.jpg .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...2ovPBxTolB.jpg Fac. #30..................Fac. #42 ................Fac. #42 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUx50b.jpg A - B - C - C - D connection http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uplcate75x.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LxCOxCYx25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...6DRUMx50bx.jpg Since 1981 (when I initially start my blue Chase run), I have never seen this T206 with a DRUM back. I have hope that eventually one will show up. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ChaseLENOX.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...haseLENOXb.jpg This run continues into the next post here... TED Z . |
CONTINUATION from previous post.
Lucky for me that the blue Chase was NOT printed with the RED CROSS back :)
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Buffalo50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lueChase50.jpg . . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loT213x25b.jpg . . . . . . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ueChase50b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ctorychase.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ctorychase.jpg TED Z . |
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PS- Merkle throwing Bresnahan batting Street catching, also missing the Red Hindu |
Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?
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GOOD LUCK...finding the RED CROSS (T215-1) cards. You'll most likely find the red HINDU Street before you will find any of those RED CROSS (T215-1) cards. If I intend to run the entire white-bordered route, I start by "reverse engineering" the run....that is to start by acquiring the RED CROSS first, then follow up with all the rest of the cards. For example, that's how I began my Dots Miller run with this T215-1 card. Only nine backs needed in the T206 group, of which I still need the BROAD LEAF 350, CAROLINA BRIGHTS and DRUM (although, DRUM has yet to be confirmed for Miller). http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...5miller50x.jpg TED Z . |
Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...fdBaker12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg Shown here are some of the stars in the T215-1 set http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...TobaccoAdv.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...obaccoAdvB.jpg Just a tidbit of Tobacco trivia...... P. Lorillard is the oldest tobacco products manufacturer in the U.S. ? Listed here is a breakdown of the 96 subjects in the T215-1 set with respect to their series in the T206 set... .. 150/350 Series ...Summer/Fall 1909 Mathewson (white cap) 350-only Series ...Spring/Summer1910 Bender (trees) Byrne (St Louis) Eddie Collins (A's) Cree Doolan Dubuc Fromme Hartsel Hoblitzel Hofman Howard Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands/mouth) Kelley Krause Lord Marquard (portrait) McGinnity Matty McIntyre Miller Mowrey Oakes Paskert Purtell Quinn Speaker Street (portrait) Warhop Wilson 350/460 Series ...Fall/Winter 1910 Ames (hands over head) Baker Bender (no trees) M. Brown (Chicago) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Crawford (bat) Davis (A's) Donlin (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) L. Doyle (bat)) Elberfeld (fielding) Griffith (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands) Johnson (pitching) Konetchy (glove low) Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball) Leifield (bat) Magee (bat) Mathewson (dark cap) Harry McIntyre Mullin(bat) Murphy (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Pelty (vertical) Reulbach (no glove) Rucker (throwing) Frank Smith Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street (catching) Jeff Sweeney Tinker (bat off shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) Doc White (pitching) Willetts Wiltse (pitching) Cy Young (glove) 460-only Series ...Winter 1910/Spring 1911 Ball (Cleveland) Bridwell (portrait-cap) Camnitz (arm at side) Chance (batting) Chase (trophy) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore L. Doyle (portrait) Ford Herzog Hummel Latham Marquard (pitching) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove) Merkle (throwing) Meyers Murray (portrait) Oldring (bat) Schaefer (Washington) Schulte (back view) Sheckard (glove) Tannehill (Chicago) Tinker (bat on shoulder) Wheat Wiltse (portrait-cap) OK, given the above list and the trades which resulted in new teams in the subjects captions (see post #580), let's see who is the Net54 genius that can logically figure out the 1st series T215-1 cards which were issued in 1910. And, as a result we will identify which cards were issued in 1912.....besides these 15 whose team changed from their T206 counterpart... Byrne Pittsburgh Harry Davis Cleveland Donlin (bat) Pittsburg Griffith (bat) Washington Hartsel Toledo Herzog New York NL Huggins (portrait) St Louis NL Lord Chicago AL Harry McIntyre Chicago NL Matty McIntyre Chicago AL Mowrey St Louis NL Oakes St Louis NL Frank Smith Cincinnati Steinfeldt (bat) St. Louis NL Cy Young (glove) Boston NL http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dCross50xb.jpg TED Z . |
Hi Ted, isn't there a RED CROSS Bresnahan batting in the 350 Series?
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Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?
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The Bresnahan that you are referring to is found only in the T215-2 set. I have never seen a T215 Bresnahan (with bat) with a BROWN caption. I always double-check my T215-1 data by referring to the PIRATE set of cards (which are a known quantity, and are essentially a mirror image of the T215-1 cards). http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atecigpack.jpg TED Z . |
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