That seems like a major non sequitur.

Come on guys. We all deal with enough bull shit in our every day lives.


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I'm new here and have only been posting in the post-WW II forum....

Can someone briefly summarize this thread for me?

People hate Peter Nash.


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As a person Pete Nice called
 

a milquetoast, a major thumbs up to Mr. Ivy. And I bet that was the same type of email which got Travis Roste banned from Heritage.

Rich

Your homophobia is showing... And, giving Peter Nash "attaboys" and then hanging out here like it didn't happen probably isn't the best strategy.

Dan, I'm not homophobic....I love my house.:)

Seriously!!!! How sadly childish. I guess someone did not get their bran muffin this morning...........

My asset recovery is already happening. The Fraser’s Judgment in fraud against the Nash’s have been filed in Saratoga County Clerk’s Office in NY where the Nash’s live. Including interest the Judgment is now $500,000 plus. A Transcript of Judgment has been file in Otsego County, NY putting a lien on the property the Nash’s own in Cooperstown/Middlefield, NY which has been in foreclosure for approximately 6 years. Although I expect nothing from the property because between the money owed to the bank and the IRS there probably won’t be anything left for any other creditors. My attorney’s next move is wage garnishment and selling Nash’s website Hauls of Shame. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Chris or Steve Ivy bid on the website I’m sure they would like to own it and I’m sure they can out bid Nash’s buddy John Rogers if he bids on it.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does the website have value?

I was gonna ask the same thing, but was afraid I would get yelled at.:(

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=141940

David ever scan that Brown Lenox Burch you found in that binder of yours?

I know the reason it was never shown is you have a hard time posting pictures on this site as you said then you sold it before scanning etc. I'm sure it's just me doubting you. I'm sure you have been 100% honest. I guess you and Nash have that in common just two honest guys surrounded by bad folks like myself from the hobby it has to be tough on you guys. My apologies for calling you out.

BTW loved the pictures of the Mazda Miata has to be fun to spin around the island in that.

Cheers,

John

Not sure, but I'd bid on it for giggles. :)

Haulsofshame is worth between $629 and $1,362

http://www.netvaluator.com/www/haulsofshame.com

http://www.worthofweb.com/website-va...ulsofshame.com

Apology accepted John. And my apologies to you for offending. Dave

I bid 5k, does this need to be moved to the BST now? :)

Net54baseball.com is worth $720

Rich

I don't put a lot of stock in those "valuators". One of them says this site is worth $720....and I was offered $735 recently.

That sounds high, although it has potential as a fund-raising site for stray dogs. :eek:

I found a site by accident yesterday that evaluated the worth of websites and Net54 was valued at $22,000...ebay was worth 132 million and Amazon was worth $330 million. I tried to locate the same site for this evaluation, but couldn't find it again.

That sounds about right for AMZN lol. Seriously, I know fundamentals mean nothing any more, but a 611 P/E ratio?

Back on track Leon are you bidding on the website or not current bid is 5k. :D

Also Leon my offer your site was $738 not $735 don't make me look cheap. :)

I might be willing to go as much as $760 but Leon would have to stay on as moderator because I don't ever want to deal with that bullshit. What say you Leon?

I'll consider it.

Take the money and run Leon.

At least it has a P/E ratio. :)

Yeah but a 0.37 percent profit margin? $274 million in profits for a $165 BILLION market cap company? Why the love? :confused::confused:

There may be the underlying value that cannot always be converted into a true dollar value. They are one of the few places people can purchase real new books and cd's. Watch out if they try to lock up the educational book sellers and wholesale to colleges. The potential carries a lot of appeal to investors who play for the long run.

Michael I guess so, but it's not like we're talking about a start up with upside potential, aren't they 15 years in? That pathetic margin on top of a long track record of losses makes me a bit skeptical.

In my opinion it's not an asset but a major liability with multiple libel lawsuits waiting to happen - especially since the person trying to obtain ownership has repeatedly publicly impeached the publisher as a credible source.

I would guess advertising. Also it's an asset to seize.


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I don't follow that logic. Presumably Peter won't post once the site is taken from him, and who would advertise on a site not being updated? I don't think there are any ads there now in any event.

Advertorials. Perhaps, Wonka et alii are paying for the publicity. :D:D:D

As far as advertising goes, imho;

1) Just because there isn't advertising there now doesn't mean there couldn't be advertising there in the future.

2) Maybe there isn't advertising there now because Nash wants to be able to vent against others while also not paying those he owes. If he has ads on the site, there would surely be a creditor who sees it and then goes after that revenue stream.

With no ads, the site isn't worth as much, nobody gets paid and Nash gets to write whatever he wants against whomever he wants....

David

I agree that he would leave. Any value would be in the "Hauls of Shame" brand.

Let me explain the Judge awarded the Fraser’s all rights, title and legal interest to all items of collateral and we have the right to sell them and then apply the money to the Judgment. I have the right to sell this stuff right now and be done with it. It’s in Roxanne and Peter Nash’s interest to help sell the collateral and get top dollar, but Peter Nash has refused to help.

The simple fact is Peter Nash has done this before but in a much bigger way. When a huge amount of Nash’s memorabilia was being held by Robert Edward Auctions for none payment, Peter Nash decided to plead the fifth dozens of times and caused his memorabilia by Court Order to be sold in an “AS IS” auction and John Rogers bought it for $550,000. I was told by somebody that works for Lelands Auctions that Rogers sold 3 items and got all of his money back. I wonder if those 3 items are the items that are now in “The National Pastime Museum” the online museum that opened last year. Those 3 items are the King Kelly bat, Hugh Duffy bat and Ed Delahanty pocket watch. Where did John Rogers get the provenance for those 3 items when Robert Edward Auctions couldn’t? After all Nash pleaded the fifth. Makes no sense to me, although Nash did counter sue me for ruining his business relationship with John Rogers but the Judge threw out Nash’s counter suit. I bid on the “AS IS” sale for $250,000 because I knew that some of the stuff was real such as the Hugh Duffy Trophy from 1898. I was friends with Nash when he bought the Hugh Duffy Trophy from the Dooley family for $25,000 along with 53 other items. But why did Nash plead the fifth? Why didn’t Nash show Rob Lifson the owner of Robert Edward Auctions the sale receipt from Katherine Dooley? Peter Nash even named his dog Dooley, kid you not. So why did Nash plead the fifth knowing that the Hugh Duffy Trophy was real and had a sale receipt proving he purchased it? Is it because Nash had no sales receipt for the Hugh Duffy bat and the King Kelly bat that came from the Dooley family? Below is the link to the Hugh Duffy Trophy that sold in legendary Auctions for $36,000.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=95313

I spoke with Katherine Dooley's attorney Jeff Roberts last year and he told me that Peter Nash was allowed to take items from Katherine Dooley's house and get them appraised. But Peter Nash never gave them anything in writing what was appraised. Did Nash take this stuff to Robert Edward Auctions to get it appraised but instead borrow money against it? I don't know but it doesn't look good when you read this email from Katherine Dooley's attorney, see below.

Subject: RE: Peter Nash - Katherine (Kitty) Dooley

Date: 05/29/13 03:43:50 PM

From: "Jeffrey Roberts" <JRoberts@nutter.com>

To: "'lkochfraser@optonline.net'" <lkochfraser@optonline.net>
Cc: "Matthew Lee" <MLee@nutter.com>


Dear Robert,

This email serves to confirm our conversation regarding the appraisal of items owned by Katherine Dooley. At some point, although we do not know the exact date, Ms. Dooley gave Peter Nash permission to seek appraisals of some of her baseball memorabilia. Regrettably, we cannot confirm the date these appraisals occurred, the items that were appraised or their appraised value.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Best regards,

Jeff

Jeffrey W. Roberts
Nutter McClennen & Fish LLP
Seaport West
155 Seaport Boulevard, Boston, MA 02210
Direct line 617.439.2149 Fax 617.310.9149
www.nutter.com

Below is the Bill of Sale of the 54 items Peter Nash purchase from Katherine Dooley. Please notice that there is no Mike Kelly bat, Hugh Duffy bat, Cap Anson Bat and the signed Babe Ruth mitt, all items that were owned by Nuf Ced McGreevy and all part of the Dooley collection. How come Peter Nash has never written anything about the authenticators that turned down Babe Ruth signature on this mitt? Rob lifson thought the Babe Ruth signature was good or else he would have never lent money against it. Authenticators do make mistakes but my point is, why hasn’t, Peter Nash written anything about this signed Babe Ruth mitt from when Babe Ruth played for the Red Sox? This mitt was worth a fortune! It is amazing that Peter Nash the Hauls of Shame website owner hasn’t written anything about this signed Ruth mitt he used to own. Nash loves bashing the authenticators but why not on this item which could be one of the most expensive signed items in baseball memorabilia history. Here’s the link to the Cap Anson bat that was part of the Dooley collection that John Rogers sold for $53,775 in Legendary Auctions in 2012.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...ntoryid=128533

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Here's the police report when Peter Nash stole the Fred Tenney items and consigned them to Robert Edward Auction in 2007.

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There is the value. :D

If you are reading this you probably have read the police report above when Peter Nash stole the Fred Tenney memorabilia. Below is a certification from Tim Murnane’s grandson in regards to when Peter Nash gave the Fraser’s as collateral a rare baseball book from 1897, which Nash represented that he owned, but in reality Nash stole from the gentleman below. Apparently when you lend something to Peter Nash he think he permanently owns it. Let me explain Peter Nash what you did is fraud and theft! You did this to us while my wife was going through breast cancer! Shame on you!

In the Fraser’s Judgment against the Nash’s the Judge Ordered that the book be sent back to the rightful owner. “Plaintiffs are permitted to return to Raymond Quinn and or his assignees or heirs, Mr. Quinn’s book, titled “Boston Baseball Club 1871-1897”, delivered by the Defendants Peter Nash, Roxanne Nash and Cooperstown Monument Company, Inc., and presently in Plaintiffs’ possession, without credit to any of the foregoing amounts.” The book has been returned to the rightful owner Raymond Quinn.

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That letter was very polite. Nicer than I would have penned.

Hey John Rogers do you really think I believe this affidavit below that you received nothing in return for lending Peter Nash $166,200. Remember any memorabilia or assets of Peter Nash’s that you may have belong to his creditors. Do you have the “Ed Delahanty Funeral Display” which consisted of Ed Delahanty’s glove and Delahanty ephemera? That was part of my collateral from Nash and he never delivered it to me, I have a Court Order that I own it. If you have my Delahanty memorabilia or if the FBI took it please notify my attorney Barry Kozyra in NJ. I notice on your affidavit you said nothing about the money you wired to Nash’s former attorney Wolfgang Hiemerl and then the money was transfer to Peter Nash. Why the secrecy? By the way in your affidavit you said nothing about the years of 2011 and 2012, did you give money to Peter Nash during those years?

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I wonder if Rogers has written off those loans?

I wonder if they were loans. :D

He so represented to a court under oath, I would at least start with that presumption.

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I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of disagree with Rogers' affidavit...

I don't presume anything when it comes to this hobby. Just airing out my thoughts, and I know I'm not alone on that.

Good point, if it's hobby-related all normal presumptions are probably off.

Well Rogers bought all of the questionable items from Nash via REA's buyer beware Nash fire sale....maybe for the loans Peter told Rogers what was good and what needed the "fifth"......

I'd love to be the defense lawyer to cross-examine Rogers if he decides to cooperate with the government.