I've been hunting for a copy of the 1959 Topps Venezuela Ace Hurlers #159 (Pierce and Roberts) for the longest. Anyone that has a lead on one...I'd really appreciate it!

Just sent in a really nice 62 and 68 AS Brooks Venz. with no paper loss or glue on the back. I will probably get it back in January. I wish I would have sent it in years ago...they grade much harder now.
Scott

Added this HOFer:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2400https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2401

Picked up a 1967 Venezuelan Swoboda to finally complete my 1967 Mets team set, only 4 cards but 3 out of 4 are SPs.

Love the Swoboda!

Last month, BBCE announced that they had bought over 100 PSA graded 1964 Venies that were "extras" from one of the registry's heavy hitters. They were ticketed for their eBay store but, since that set is one of my main projects, I PM'd Reed and he sent me the sell sheet. All the cards were PSA 2 or higher with remarkably clean backs and the pre-eBay prices were more than fair, including a PSA 4 Aaron. In the end I only landed 5 cards. I sent them a check and my PSA 1 Gilliam (paper loss on front) for their PSA 2.5 Gilliam and his 4 friends all shown below. If anybody is interested in seeing the others, save an eBay search! In order of card number, here is my haul:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2581
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2580
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2574
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2582
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2576
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2583
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2575
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2579
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2577
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2578

For those who don't know, Dave D was a HOF NBA guard for the Knicks. Later, I purchased the raw 1964 below for a steal on Facebook and spent my meager eBay bucks on the raw 1968 below. Both will be sent to PSA soon. This is my first Venz Mays!

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2573https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/play...le.php?id=2584

De La Hoz, coming and going...my first Venezuelan cards and an original Atlanta Brave.

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Nice!

Great pick up! So BBCE had a ‘64 Aaron for sale? How much did it end up selling for?

It was a PSA 3 and they were asking $299. I know one Aaron collector who inquired. Don’t know if it’s been sold.

Thanks. I tried looking up what BBCE had up on eBay and it wasn’t there. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. I tried their website too, but it was just a cursory search.

I’m kinda wondering if I should send my extra raw 64 Aaron VZ to PSA. I’ve had it listed forever on eBay and haven’t even had one offer on it.

They might not have put them up on eBay yet. They tried to make a few quick direct sales and then were planning to sell the rest on eBay. Not sure what the timetable is though.

In my opinion, ALL Venezuelans should be sent to PSA, especially HOFers!

Good to know!

Also, do you have your '64 collection up to view? I'd love to see the whole thing. I don't know if you perused the '64 Topps Giants thread I started, but I LOVE the '64 set, and the VZs even more. There's something about the combination of the design, with the crudeness of the VZs that gives it a really nice patina. If I branch out of my Braves collection, I'm collecting the '64s.

Not to be too intrusive, and you don't have to answer this, but how much have you spent on collecting the '64 VZ set?

Thanks for the replies. The graded portion of my 64 Venz set is available to view at the link i’ll post below. This doesn’t show the Mays/Cepeda or 2 team cards which are all going to be graded.

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...hedset/215107P

Regarding what I’ve spent on my 55-60 1964 Venies, I’m not quite sure. My registry says I’ve spent about $700 on the cards. However since a portion of them were obtained raw, some grading fees would need to be added to that total.

Try this link instead:

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...shedset/215107

Gosh dang, that's a nice collection so far. That Debusschere card is legit nice!

The one knock on the '64s that can't be denied is the lack of action cards. It's a downer, for sure, but, to me, the head shots and poses really work well with the card design.

$700 isn't bad at all, considering you're going graded. You're gonna spend extra on buying graded and transitioning raw to graded. I don't have that kind of cash, so I'd just collect raw. I wish you big time luck.

I'm gonna look to get my Aaron graded. It'll take some time, but if I do, I'll shoot you a PM, so you can have first crack at it, if you want.

EDIT: BBCE just listed that Aaron. $299 for a PSA 3. Theirs is nicer than mine. Mine is probably a PSA 1. I got a corner that's super dinged compare to their PSA 3.

Thanks! Good luck with your submission and, if you want to offer it to me, I’d sure appreciate a chance at it. Are you a PSA member? If not, I can let you know next time I’m sending a batch and you can “piggyback” with me if you’d like.

I'm not a PSA member. How does piggbacking work exactly?

Oh, dude, I'd definitely give you first crack at it. :-)

Pm coming.

New Purchase:

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Can't see it :(

EDIT: I can when I reply. Weird.

I’ve never seen this card before... Nice!

Rare "Venezuelan" item
 

Greetings!
I tend to be lurker here, but coming out of the shadows to post something that I think is extremely rare…
At first glance, these appear to be just normal, low grade 1962 Post Cereal cards. But a closer look shows each card have a purplish stamp of 1-15, 1-35 and 1-75.
These are actually post cereal cards that I obtained in Caracas, Venezuela, as an 8-year-old child (lived there from 1961-1970). The “purplish stamps” are the prices of the cereal boxes at the time… 1 Bolivar, 15 centavos, 1 Bolivar 35 centavos, 1 Bolivar 75 centavos. I have no idea why the prices were so different… I wasn’t the one paying ;-) Just the one wanting the cards.
The conversion rate at the time was approximately 4 B’s to the dollar, so the cereal boxes cost about 30 to 45 cents in U.S. currency.
I can say with reasonable accuracy that the cereal was bought at the CADA market in Las Mercedes which is where my family usually bought groceries. I can also say with reasonable certainty that the cereal was imported from the U.S…. so basically the same boxes that kids were buying in the U.S. at the time. Would be interesting to find someone who worked for Post Cereal back in the day to provide info on cereal that was exported. My guess is the cereal wound up in many other countries as well…
I also remember buying Jello boxes with cards on them (I assume also imported), but don’t have any Jello cards with price marking on them…
And yes, I have a nice collection of Venezuelan Topps from back then… Bought wax packs in 62, 64, 66 and 68. Not exactly sure why I didn’t buy the 67’s, although I suspect it had something to do with the inferior quality of Venezuelan stuff at the time. And, no…. I don’t have any wax wrappers… Threw them in the garbage like most everyone else did…

Neat; too bad they don't have any additional markings other than price tags. Not sure they can be cataloged just from price tags, but an interesting anomoly to store in the memory banks next time I see them.

Even though I generally hate the 67 set, I’m in love with that Tiant!!

Tdawg, if you’d like to sell any of your Topps Venezuelans from 1964 and/or 68, please let me know.

I just found time to catch up on this entire thread - nice cards you guys have all accumulated!

In the years since my original post in this thread, I have not been able to acquire very many upgrades, however, there are two of note:

https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...Clemente-7.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...ersDream-7.jpg

I am searching for a 1968 Yaz World Series card with the correct back. I need to verify the existence of this card. If you have one, please post it.

Interesting note on the Yaz. I only need two cards to complete his 1960s Venz run: the World Series card you referenced and the checklist with his picture. I’ve only ever seen the WS card with CL back and done remember seeing a correct CL either. Are you saying you don’t think a “correct” WS card exists? Have you ever seen a correct checklist?

Josh- those are AWESOME! I haven't been 'in the Venezuelan market' very long and have never seen any graded that high...bet there aren't many that are. And noteworthy cards to boot!

Thanks for sharing

Received a PSA 4 on my 1962 Venz Brooks Robinson and a PSA 5 on my Brooks 68 All Star. The 1962 looks much better than a 4. I thought a 5 or 5.5. Would be the grade. Scott

Brooks
 

I don’t know if I can believe you on these so called grades or not without the picture documentation for proof 😬

Still, awesome grades! Can’t wait to see the scans!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: WHOAH Josh! Another couple of world class additions to a world class collection! Just unreal and improbable on both those cards! Did you happen to get the 1959 Mays in Goldin? Nice to see a Venezuelan begin to get some market respect!

https://goldinauctions.com/1959_Vene...-LOT48208.aspx

Hey all, just bought a 1977 Venezuelan sticker Nolan Ryan, I had a couple questions about it, hoping someone here can provide insight.

The card came with the complete scrap book back, that contains a short blurb about Nolan Ryan (see a link to picks below). The card was clearly pasted to the scrap book page, you can see the paper loss pattern on the back of the sticker lines up with the white paper at the top of the scrap book page. I've looked through other 1977 stickers on Ebay, and very few contain the corresponding scrap book portion, they only contain the sticker.

I'd like to know if having the scrap book portion that goes with the sticker increases of the overall value? And if I wanted to get it graded by PSA, would I send the scrap book portion along with the sticker....or will they only grade the sticker?

Thanks everyone.

Pics:
https://imgur.com/a/YwheF7W

The album paper is worthless.

The damage to the card is common to nearly every 77 Ryan in existence.

PSA will grade it a 1, they would only grade it with the album paper if it was attached, although, I suspect they'd give it a AUTH grade in that case.

Good to know, thank you for the info Josh!

PSA incorrectly identifies US card as Venezuelan and PWCC is selling it
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Venezu...4AAOSwArFc9CqL

This relatively worthless card is mislabeled as Venezuelan when the Venezuelan version of the card does not have trademark info or PRINTED IN U.S.A. on it.

I've seen multiple instances of PSA labeling cards Venezuelan which are, in fact, US issued. And every time it happens, multiple parties get scammed, it devalues genuine cards in the pop report, and it hurts the hobby in general.

I contacted PWCC to point this out on this card. I suspect they will remove the listing, I hope they return the card to PSA to get the holder corrected and subsequently the pop report. I'll be watching.

PWCC and PSA are a little busy right now, but see if you can get through their phone lines.

Speaking of rare:

I wonder how many intact Post cereal boxes (w cards) exist today.


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I bought a 1959 Topps Venezuelan on eBay from Gilberto of venezuelancards recently but was given a refund without explanation. I contacted him and he told me that Fed Ex is not picking up packages in Venezuela because of the current political climate there :mad:.

Ya, that's actually been an issue for nearly a couple of years now. I had the same thing happen to me awhile ago. The seller lived in Caracas and he said that the gov't had shut down all the post offices. I had bought cards from him before, so I told him that I was cool to wait a little while, because I really needed the card. I waited a few months, and eventually he was able to send me the card. That being said, if he was insistent on refunding, or just straight refunded the money and gave me the explanation this seller gave you, I'd totally understand; which I'm sure you do as well.

Just another reason why Socialism is bad, I suppose.

It's not socialism, it is an authoritarian state.

Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. “Social” means government, and that’s precisely Venezuela; and has been for decades. You can call Maduro an authoritarian, he is, but the way he became one was through socialist policies; becoming supremely rich, corrupting officials, etc, etc.

Ryan, do I correctly assume that you are opposed to Social Security & Medicare, which are examples of socialism in our country? I encourage you to read this piece on democratic socialism by a Columbia U. prof and Nobel Prize recipient that recently appeared in the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.8f9847606057

Thanks for the heads up Josh. I see they have not removed or corrected the listing

PWCC finally took down the auction. I sent them a message over the weekend about it, heard back from them an hour ago. Thank you Josh for bringing it to everyone's attention.

SS and Medicare are social programs, not socialism.

Ryan, I disagree with you. This read provides a detailed explanation as to why our Social Security program is a form of socialism: https://www.investopedia.com/article...-socialism.asp

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-VENEZU...8AAOSwUUldQ2wY

This 1966 Rose, in a PSA slab labeled a Venezuelan, looks a lot like a US issue to me. The reds on the back of the card look subdued, which is similar to what I've seen in the US issued cards. The Venezuelan cards usually have deep reds on the card backs.

Thoughts? Is this card legit or did PSA mislabel it?

The first card is the one you are referring to, the second one is a bona fide 1966 Topps Venezuelan Pete Rose. It's obvious PSA screwed up again.

Correct, the slabbed Rose is NOT a Venezuelan.

On a semi-related note, WTF happened to this thread??

Thanks for the input on the Rose card, I sent the seller a message letting him/her know that PSA screwed up the label.

Regarding the bolded, I started collecting Venezuelans this year, and have thought about contributing to this thread. I have a bunch currently out with PSA, but will try to post pics soon of the cards I have in my possession.

That also happened to me around the end of May.

You can still have items mailed DHL, but the cost is considerably more (about twice as much(?) )

So the seller replied with "Who am I to doubt PSA?". Not surprising. Is there anything else I can do.....report it to Ebay?

Nope. If you owned the card, you could send it to PSA and they’d fix it for free. But since you don’t, your hands are tied.

My “WTF happened” comment was about the political talk. Please DO share as many pics of Venezuelan cards as you’d like!

At the National, I was able to see a 1968 Venezuelan album for the first time ever, and it was partially filled with NM looking cards which had been glued in.

What was most interesting about the album was the distribution of the cards between the 4 series. 1st series cards 1-109 are the most plentiful, while 2nd series 110-198 aren't far behind (this album was about 65-75% completed in series 1-2)... but by the 3rd series, it became obvious there were significantly fewer cards (3rd series completion 25-30%), and by the 4th series, they were nearly extinct (4th series completion 15-20%). It made me wonder whether the 3rd and 4th series cards were so rare that packs could barely even be found to buy, which I think is indeed the case as opposed to lack of interest... I just don't think Venezuelan baseball card collectors just stopped collecting as a group when the 3rd series hit, I just don't think they printed nearly as many. This correlation is true within my own collection as well, there is no doubt in my mind the 3rd and 4th series cards had a more-limited production and probably not nearly enough were produced to meet demand.

The Ryan rookie card is still very rare relative to other non-Venezuelan cards, but Maris (330), Banks (355) and the All-Star cards of Aaron, Yaz, Morgan, Carew & B. Robinson are extremely rare.

Also of note, John Rumierez, who traveled and lived in Venezuela during the 1980's and was a big collector of these cards, is under the impression that card 152, World Series with Yaz, was never produced with the correct back, it can only be found with the checklist on the back. I also agree with this, but would love to be proven wrong. In the album, the Marichal checklist, which has the 152 back, has been glued into album spot 152, while the Yaz WS card with the checklist back was glued into spot 107, which is the number of the checklist.

What's also interesting is the ad on the back cover of the album... the product is Corona brand orange-flavored chewing gum. Corona looks to be both a candy manufacturer and a candy shop which presumably sold packs of the cards. It's distinctly possible they were responsible for the printing and distribution of the albums. This album has a similar look to it as the 64, 66 and 67 albums.

Awesome post Josh. Really interesting to hear your thoughts on the distribution/availability of the different series from 1968. Cool pics too, I've never seen a Venezuelan album in person, hope I get a chance to at some point.

2 Mislabeled 1960 Venezuela Topps Mantle's hit eBay
 

These cards are clearly US issues. Gross incompetence by PSA. Venezuela Topps version has no front gloss, different color beige on front, muted ink colors on back and a distinct sandstone texture on back. They cannot be mistaken with the US card. Screws the pop report good too.

Contacted seller, eBay ID: cg0184, we'll see if they do the right thing, pull it and send back to PSA for correction.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202751429120
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193034720790

Yeesh, that's four mislabeled cards in the past two months ('62 HR Leaders, '64 Pete Rose, and the two '60 Mantle/Boyer).

I haven't been collecting Venezuelas that long....How often do you all see mislabeled cards pop up? I.e. PSA/SGC/BGS slabs of US cards labeled as Venezuelan.

That's nothing compared to PSA graded 1972 Venezuelans, the vast majority of them are the counterfeits from the early 2000's. The PSA Mazeroski is counterfeit and the ungraded Mazeroski is legit. These two aren't easy to see the differences in the font, the biggest difference is the R in PIRATAS. The photo is clearer in the legit Mazeroski and the green is always lighter on the legit 72's.

Here is a much better example, compare the font in the name on the counterfeit Killebrew in the PSA case to the font in the name on the ungraded legit Killebrew, and also compare the 7's in 171.

We should be thankful that the counterfeiters almost never get it right.

I started collecting Venezuelans this year, here are some of my favorite/best cards that I have in hand (have a bunch out with PSA as well).

https://i.imgur.com/PAsMwt1.jpg?3

https://i.imgur.com/5aFX1Te.jpg?3

https://i.imgur.com/MxQGpjt.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/3dQ9jZf.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/JgZwyxo.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/yyZ0iRL.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/L9uM1PO.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/qN6ebP5.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/bfJrmsc.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/qS99TV4.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/6lQnw01.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/v7L6s6t.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/iPNFv27.jpg?1

Very nice. Are you collecting sets or players ?

Just collecting hall of famers and all stars at the moment. Trying to collect some from each set. At some point I'll probably narrow my focus, but for now just buying what I like. Having lots of fun collecting Venezuelans though, I love everything about them.....the condition issues, the history and mystery surrounding them, etc. The Koufax Retirado is currently #1 on my want list.

Great collection!

Great cards! Love the Rival All Stars & Boyer.

I got hooked on these a few years ago and can’t stop.







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en passant
 

Bobby Cox rook

68’s backs
 

I received some 68’s today and one of them has a really orange back compared to the normal brown/orange back. It’s also very glossy on the back but the front looks normal. Anyone else seen these none of the other cards in my set have this back.
Rick

For some reason it’s not letting me add picture just says error sorry

New pick ups. Photo worked?
Rick

I was collecting the 67 VWL subset for a while but ultimately gave up. I love the backgrounds on them, which are very unusual in many cases.

Hi Rick, I had the same experience with my Tony Conigliaro. Much lighter orange back than everything else in my set, but it does have the Venezuelan copyright. Sorry, I can’t post a pic either.

A few recent pick ups. All have clean backs!

https://i.imgur.com/fQKtyJV.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/p9V1wQ8.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/g6vQfpi.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/e141jiY.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/NgLb9SV.jpg?1

I don't know about Rusty Staub, Twins Rookies, and Sandy Valdespino, but I found it interesting that the original owner of this 1968 Topps Venezuelan checklist needed Byron Browne and Curt Blefary, two of the notorious short prints from the set.

Those are some great cards! I recently had my Venz 64 Rose graded by PSA as well. Mine maybe presents a little nicer than yours on front, but the back of mine is shredded. Mine got a PSA 1.

It’s been a long time since I contributed scans to this thread and I’ve picked up a lot of Venz in that time. I should probably pick out some of the best and post them here.

Giving it a shot. These are some of the better 64's I've picked up in the last 9 months.

https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...at%20front.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...rs%20front.jpg
https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...ou%20front.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...te%20front.jpg
https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...er%20front.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...is%20front.jpg
https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...te%20front.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...be%20front.jpg
https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...on%20front.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...ud%20front.jpg

Yeah it's hard to see in the pic, but the Rose has 2 surface wrinkles (on top of the beat up corners).

Those 64's look great! Love the Alou rookie.

Thanks! Here are a few 1968 PSA 5's and a HOFer for that set.

https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...as%20front.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...es%20front.jpg
https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...6566712973.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...as%20front.jpg
https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...da%20front.jpghttps://caimages.collectors.com/psai...ibson%20WS.jpg

I had a PSA bulk sub "pop" a couple of weeks ago. The sub included 21 Venz for my sets. The grades are below.

POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 20 Bob Friend
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 22 Jerry Adair
GOOD+ 2.5 1964 Venezuela Topps 60 Frank Malzone
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 125 Pete Rose
GOOD 2 1964 Venezuela Topps 133 Jim Grant
EXCELLENT 5 1964 Venezuela Topps 138 World Series Game 3 L.A. Takes 3rd Straight
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 140 W.S. Summary the Dodgers Celebrate
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 151 Athletics Team
AUTHENTIC 1964 Venezuela Topps 213 Angels Team
FAIR 1.5 1964 Venezuela Topps 219 Young Aces A.Downing/J.Bouton
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 240 Bill White
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 246 Manny Mota
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 257 Giants Team
AUTHENTIC 1964 Venezuela Topps 262 Cardinals Rookies M.Shannon/H.Fanok
POOR 1 MK 1964 Venezuela Topps 287 Red Sox Rookies T.Conigliaro/B.Spanswick
POOR 1 1964 Venezuela Topps 306 Giant Gunners W.Mays/O.Cepeda
GOOD 2 1964 Venezuela Topps 324 Casey Stengel
VERY GOOD 3 1964 Venezuela Topps 343 Senators Team
VERY GOOD+ 3.5 1964 Venezuela Topps 353 Wally Moon
POOR 1 1968 Venezuela Topps 16 Indians Rookies L.Piniella/R.Scheinblum
GOOD 2 1968 Venezuela Topps 180 Curt Flood

The PSA 5 has already been traded in a 2 for 4 that really helps my set.
THE PSA 1 BILL WHITE IS FOR SALE, IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED.

Here are scans of a few of the key cards listed above:

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https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads...de9y3i08tx.jpghttps://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads...evaguo8xdt.jpg
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads...lig2jpydd6.jpg
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads...4uj15bmuo0.jpg