Because this company made football pennants for so many high schools and colleges, it seems like there would be a catalog somewhere. About a year ago, I looked around for archives of university books stores, but came up with nothing. I worked a bit with some of the library faculty at my university. Their biggest research find was Kyle's Pennant Fever website.

So, Kyle, seriously, you should put it all in a book someday. The info you have collected doesn't exist elsewhere.

Co-signed. Kyle, your work is amazing. And if you ever undertake this endeavor I’ll help however I can and I’m sure others here would too.

And yes I think this is the company behind all the “straight-arm” football pennants.

This will confuse things a bit

The cigar smoking Senator and the Nationals pennant were made with white and gold spine, though I actually have more in gold. I’ve only seen the Capitol building pennant with gold spine. (I love the Nationals pennant by the way, it’s a GREAT graphic.)

Maybe gold was used heavily by Trench because there were hardly any pennants with gold body. Here’s the only Trench one I know of, along with the only white felt one they made. (Of course they made plenty in white cloth.)

They found my site!? That's awesome :)

I won't ask you what they thought of it....

I'm not gonna guess who this mystery maker was; but, they had to be HUGE. From what I've seen, in the 1940s, they had to be as active as Trench, perhaps more. They dominated the football and baseball pennant markets; and they did so for both professional and collegiate teams; and, their clients covered the entire nation. I don't believe this company is Trench, ADFLAG, WGN, or Keezer. But I do believe they're a company we will have heard of before (just maybe not realized they made felt pennants?).

I won't say more ... okay fine I will: I have suspected for the past few months that this mystery maker may be one of two companies, both based in New York state: Norsid Mfg. Co., of Yonkers; and Annin & Co. of NYC.

One day we'll no for sure....

Then which company made these?

https://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/lot-34460.aspx

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...151550-42068.s

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My 10th and last. Sorry about the size.

Me, too, it was one of two I grew up with on my walls. In my experience in dealing Senators/Nationals stuff, this pennant is much more common with the white spine, maybe something on the order of five white to one yellow, I'd guess. The "Mr. Senator" pennant more even between spines, I'd say, but still more white than yellow. I'm sure you guys know this, but it's cool that Mr. Senator was drawn by Red Auerbach's brother, Zang, who also did the the Celtics leprechaun. The Auerbachs lived in D.C., and I went through school with Red's daughter, Nancy.

Mark the Mears link seems to be dead, the Braves pennant on Heritage screams Ad Flag. Look at the cut ... like an eight year old with his art class scissors! That being said I do recall a white felt Phillies pennant with the TMC trademark. And there is a white Red Sox scroll pennant from the mid 50s. But they are very rare.

Great pennant, and super duper rare! Congrats!

I've had delivery of my Reds Burger Beer pennant today. It looks a lot better in person and ironed flat.

The felt looks the same as on my other 40s and 50s pennants. I'm not sure who the manufacturer is.

I also had these 2 arrive today. The green one seems like a variant of one in Mike Eglan's book. After looking through PennantFever, I'm thinking it's a WGN. Thoughts?

I believe the Dodgers Team pennant is from 1967 (Gene Michael only played for the Dodgers in 1967.) Any ideas about the manufacturer?

That’s fantastic that you finally got one. Your incredible collection just became even more amazing. Congrats.

Beautiful pennant. Well done.

Hey Gary, nice trio of pennants. Reds is definitely a local production. Top Dodgers is Ad Flag. Bottom is Trench and one of the rarer picture pennants.

The green Dodgers is actually an AdFlag and the Picture Pennant is Trench.

Nice pickups.

Recent auction win below. I don’t see this often. The white version is even harder to find. ASCO

Well the folks at ASCO should've brushed up on their Spanish 101.

Wouldn't it be Los Cardos, rather than El Cardos?

Tienes razon, senor!

(You are correct, sir!)

Can't imagine there were many Spanish speakers living in 1960s Winona, MN.

Apparently this originated with noted linguist Joe (pound the Budweiser) Schultz.

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Vendors selling merchandise outside of Forbes Field during the 1960 World Series.

Thanks Chris. Cool photo.

Approaching 100 pages, 5000 posts and 1M views. It’s like the Triple Crown! :p

Awesome photo Chris!!!

As I sit here in my cold, dark, powerless Houston home, I can take pride in the fact that I live in the energy capital of the world. That being said, now approaching 24 hours without power (in what's being advertised as "rolling" blackouts...Nothing rolling about it in our neighborhood) I've had plenty of time to troll the web and saw this sold yesterday. I know we have some Minnesota guys here so thought I'd share. Pretty rare...

Bit of an odd listing...The seller indicated he had six available and all sold within 7 minutes of each other to four different buyers. Private listing. Anyway, very experienced seller but it feels like he probably could've asked for and gotten more. Seeing his other listings and having tried to negotiate with him before, I wouldn't think he'd be one to leave money on the table.

I have been looking for that one for YEARS. I was the second buyer and got a refund 45 minutes later. I would have gone several times higher on it. Still sick to my stomach.

Related to the Twins pennant, this one went for around $500 a few weeks ago. I'm not much of a football guy, so others will have to weigh in, but it must be one of the tougher Vikings pennants.

I'm having trouble making sense of this. The seller had 6 copies of the pennant. You state that you were the second buyer. But 45 minutes later, the seller issued you a refund? Does that mean the seller voided the sale for some reason?

It seems like you are disappointed at missing out, but it's not clear how that happened. Not a big deal, but hoping you can clarify!

Yeah I am also confused. I didn’t notice that. I was about to put in an offer below $250 but saw that it was advertised as 3/4 size? But it looks full.

It's extremely rare. He only had one and had to cancel all the other transactions after the fact. I'm surprised he didn't just list it as an auction. I have only seen one other before.

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It's full size.

On another note there are some on eBay with GREAT EYE APPEAL! that I remember seeing in a private auction recently. One of the big ones but I forget which. There were six or seven pennants glued to a white board. I see the white board has been broken up into smaller boards ... he accurately describes it which is good.

Yeah...It looks full sized to me for sure and I have the Vikings version which is also full. Weird listing for a very cool pennant unfortunately. I'd be very bummed if I got it for $250 only to have it cancelled shortly thereafter...and I'm primarily a football guy.

So he had only one, but somehow sold six. I'm still confused as to how that even happens, but sorry it happened to you. It sucks when true collectors get jobbed like that. :mad:

Wow, that's a great pennant as is the Vikings one. Maybe a draft day trade is in order.

I have a feeling that the Twins pennant is gonna have GREAT EYE APPEAL!

I added some more 1970's pennants to my album. Nothing good but a Net54 member reached out to me to see if I was interested in a pennant I already have. I also have a ton with the "Big G, Big S" logo that started in 1983, like the last (misspelled one) in the album.

Marc - am I missing any from my latest additions?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VTWwsCGCUcnhRKy28

P.S. I love those Grain Belt pennants! Love anything with advertising added (e.g. Pirates w/Holsum Bread, Reds w/Burger beer, etc.).

Thanks for posting those, Rob. Looks like everything is there :)

I’m sure I could blow right by something with a subtle font/color variation.

Pennants and my 800+ pins can test your powers of recall.

Mysteries, mysteries
 

Just when I thought things were starting to make sense.

I thought all these WS pennants were early Trench. But I'm having a tough time seeing how the two '49s are made by the same company. The Dodgers scroll surely is. The WS is a tick smaller/narrower, different texture, and the number font very different while Trench's digits are very distinct. Also the WS has blue tassels; Trench's almost always has same color as spine.

Now the '49 WS pennant seems to be from same maker as '55 and '57 as they share general design. The Ebbets graphic is slightly different but NYY Gate 6 on the later ones is same as on the team pennant (which has all indications of Trench). That's what i thought connected them all.

These are great, Rob. I'm still after the elusive '69 cloth ASCO Giants. Same as this one in your pic which I am posting here. I've only seen one - had it in my possession as I bought a lot, but it was so beat up (and not described as such) that I returned it. I've *never* seen the A's in cloth.

But then I have *only* seen the Senators in cloth - not felt - so maybe they used cloth for a few years with the same '69 stamp. But then they also made some with a 1970 stamp ...

(Okay, it's a snow day, fellas ... no school ... what else am I supposed to be doing?)

EDIT: I do have the A’s in 1969 felt ... but the Giants is hard in both materials with that dated MLB stamp.

Truly astonishing collection, Rob, especially considering they didn't start until 1958! The Giants should make a display at the ballpark, that would be a must-see for their fans. Which Senators pennant are you referencing, Greg, do you have a picture?

Odd Mariners
 

Not sure why I like this one - obscure but cool and can't find info on this design?

That was discussed recently. Either go back a few pages or hang tight.

The best Mariners pennant to exist, and a real toughie. I have it with yellow felt and blue graphics (the reverse of yours).

This is from that obscure series which includes the Padres, Rangers, Brewers and Mariners. The very last series of pennants to feature original artistry and no MLB logo.

Great M's pennant.... Hang on to that one!

It's been a bumper week for pennant deliveries here. I picked these two up in a lot of Phillies Pennants. The auction listing had these 2 amongst a number of 70s/80s pennants.

The artwork and font on both pennants looks the same. Are they made by Trench?

Also, is it even worth trying to clean the spine?

Cool pennants Gary. Top one is very rare with tassels. I wouldn’t touch the spine. A natural creaming to the white gives it a good look IMO. Also the red underneath may run into it if wet. I think they are very nice as-is.

As for who made it ... mystery. Not Trench, but another big maker that we have yet to identify.

Hank, here’s a pic of it along with my 6 footer, both stamped 1969. I had another one with some wear but just acquired a mint version along with two Senators repros and a beat up ‘69 Trench. This was the only one in the lot I wanted, incredibly hard to find it without cracking in the logo which is VERY thick paint.

ASCO also made a cool 1970 Senators picture pennant which I haven’t seen in quite awhile.

Thanks Greg. I'll leave it alone. Any idea who made them? I thought it might be Trench because AdFlag didn't use tassels.

I forgot to answer that and just revised. Don’t think Trench. Here’s the 1950 Trench Phillies. It has been suggested that it is Norsid (sp?) out of Yonkers or NYC but I have my doubts, I’ll make that case after dinner.

You might run a “bleach pen” over the spines....

That is a tough Senators pennant, and the 6-footer is just off the charts. The 1970 picture pennant used to be fairly common, I guess everything is getting collected up. The other Senators picture pennant from 1964 is much tougher than the 1970, by a factor of three or four to one, I would guess, but it has been a while since I've seen either one.

That could work; I would add, if you do that, run a dowel or a vinyl strip through the opening to protect the red underneath ... but even if you get near the stitches it could soak through. Very very careful!

Here’s a Norsid pennant; this has a NYY sister version. Very very different than our mystery sliding runner pennants. These have tassels and a unique very thin spine, almost no room for a dowel.

The bleach comes out more like a gel than a liquid. It’s pretty “controllable.”

Thanks. To me, the spine and the graphic in my Phillies pennant looks similar to Mark's NY Giants pennant from post #4703 and the Phillies pennant in your post (#4712).

Same maker?

I’m pretty confident saying those are all the same maker as yours. Now if we could only figure out who it is!

LA Dodgers v. SF Giants "1st. GAME" Pennant (1958)
 

Thank you all for the kind comments. If you're interested in learning more about this pennant, or how I recreated it, I just posted some new content on Pennant Factory you may enjoy; or just click here:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...e-pennant-1958

Thank you to [baseball] Rob G. for your help in making this.

I was honored to have had even a small part in your creative process. Another job well done!

Great article Kyle, and an even better result! They all look amazing and are so precise in their level of detail. That had to be a difficult project to take on, and I would imagine that particular pennant was more difficult to emulate than 95% out there.

I cannot even fathom having the patience to create something like that... Fantastic job!

It’s a nice looking pennant Kyle. Is it the same size as the original? And how is your label affixed? Just wondering how long it will be before we see one on eBay being sold as original. ;)

A couple more of Kyle's artwork. Even my wife, who always comments "that's nice" to my new additions, thought the 1959 pennant (my favorite LA designed one) was "absolutely gorgeous". And I found the perfect spot for the Brooklyn World Champs pennant, right above the 1955 Schaefer Beer 3-d display. Both are truly works of art.

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Thanks for these great additions Kyle!

Well, any pennant will look good hung beside that Schaefer Beer promo/sign! :eek:

Hey? Pennant guys?

:crickets:

So, what about that 173 pennant lot at Huggins and Scott?

H&S is the only auction running with some decent pennants. Even the Hunt monthly auctions have been a void. Have all the good ones really dried up? Even Lelands (who used to feature tons of good ones) is dry. Same for eBay, with the exception of a few goodies 3 weeks ago.

I am hoping/guessing LOTG will have some good ones in their upcoming March/April event. And perhaps a few in the next REA premier auction?

B O R I N G !

How can we ever get this thread to 5,000 replies and 1 Million views, without any new inventory? (Notice how I made this a separate post, haha)

Kyle, you'd better ramp up production on those K.R. Biebersheimer & Son Reproductions! ;)

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hard! :p

Gotta be some “break value” there but I, for one, do not particularly enjoy selling on ebay.

Ok, here are some that are on the way. Delayed by the big Texas Freeze.

A week or so ago, several San Jose (CA) baseball related pennants showed up on ebay, which is very uncommon. The seller also had this Seibu Lions pennant. In the early 1980s, the Seibu Lions sent players to San Jose to play in the California League, including Koji Akiyama in 1983, who is now a member of the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame.

I bought Lions pennant along with one of the earlier Bees pennants (an upgrade) and asked the seller if the Lions pennant was sold in San Jose. He told me that he did photographic work for the San Jose minor league team for many years and that the Lions players from the 1983 team gave him the pennant. I thought that was pretty cool. Hope they arrive soon.

Marc, very cool and good back story!

Got this mini pennant string recently for under $100. Back when Ad Flag had better quality control. Decided to decorate the dungeon with a few of these strings ...

So were these strings sold at ballparks with the full size ones? As a kid I don’t remember seeing them, but maybe I was just so engrossed with the large ones I overlooked them.

Good question ... not sure. They appear to be Trench, though.

I suspect only Marc might care about this but I’ve never seen this MLB trademark before ... it’s a Trench pennant but the mark has an ASCO twist to it.