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T206 Reference, Reflections......The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement....check-it-out
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...C150x30xxz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnson208x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yab350x19x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITxSGC30xx.jpg .... Sweet Caporal .... Sovereign .......... Piedmont____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards__American Beauty ... Sovereign .......... UZIT This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns in T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 708.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me directly with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z . |
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Hi Sean OK, I contacted David today.....he does not have a brown LENOX Merkle. He included it on his list since it exists (namely your card). Sorry, I simply misinterpreted his information regarding certain brown LENOX cards on his list. So, your Merkle appears to be unique. TED Z . |
T206 Reference, Reflections......The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement....check-it-out
While were on the subject of brown LENOX cards, here is a refresher course regarding the known T206's with this strange back.
First, let's consider the brown LENOX in the 350/460 series. The 63 subjects in this series are bifurcated. That is, 35 subjects, which I refer to as GROUP A, will not be found with brown LENOX backs. GROUP B (shown here) comprises of 28 subjects. All 28 of these T206's are possible with the brown LENOX back. To date, 17 of them have been confirmed. For more info on this bifurcation of the 350/460 series subjects refer to Post #8 in this thread. 350/460 series subjects confirmed with brown LENOX backs Bradley (bat) Burch (fielding) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Jordan (bat) Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifield (bat) Manning (pitching) McQuillan (bat) Overall (yellow sky) Pfeister (throwing) F. Smith (Chicago & Boston) Wagner (bat on right shoulder) Willetts Willis (bat) 350/460 series....Group B http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...14cards13x.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...14cards13x.jpg Now, for the 460-only series...… To date, 6 brown LENOX cards from this series have been confirmed. These 6 subjects appear to be from the same group of 9 subjects which were the only confirmed PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 cards in the 460-only series. 460-only series subjects confirmed with brown LENOX backs Chase (trophy) Latham Marquard (pitching) Merkle (throwing) Schlei (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-cap) I expect these 3 subjects from the 460-only series will eventually be found with brown LENOX backs...... Schlei (batting) Schaefer (Washington) Seymour (portrait) TED Z . |
So 23 known Brown Lenox front-back combos? Brown Old Mill has 12?
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What would be interesting to know is how many current collectors are actually actively going after the 5252 or so different cards. It's no secret that I'm trying. Who else is going for the complete master?
I wonder if PSA will ever offer a special T206 discount when submitting 1000+ different cards for the registry set? Or will SGC get their new Registry going and steer many towards their direction? I requested a PSA Registry upgrade or addition to include all 5252 or so cards and a separate 28 card Factory 30 "No Print" set. I was told well over a year ago that it was already in the works for the master set and no response on the "No Prints". I even offered to help in any way, free of charge. |
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Let's see: less pay for much more work, huh? :cool: |
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A very good question, Ron. Speaking for myself, I currently have approx. 2600 different front/back permutations.....just 1/2 the way towards a master set. I have no intentions of broadening this T206 collection to achieve a master set. I leave that task to my Grandson, Ron, who will inherit these cards. My T206 collection comprises of the following complete (or near complete) sets, or back runs..…. all - PIEDMONT set...….520 cards (includes MAGIE and a "poor man's" JOE DOYLE error card) all - SOVEREIGN set.....408 cards (complete) all - SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set.....468 cards ("complete"....only missing Wagner) hybrid T206 set....514 cards (includes CAROLINA BRIGHTS, CYCLE 460, EPDG, brown HINDU, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR, SWEET CAP, TOLSTOI) AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 run.....72 cards (of 74) Exclusive 12 run.....128 (of 156 cards) Various players back runs [blue Chase, Cobb, Frank Delehanty, Donlin (bat), Doolan (fielding), Johnson, Six Super Prints, etc.]…..261 cards AB 350, BL 350, CY 350, DRUM, red HINDU, LENOX, PIEDMONT 460/42, UZIT, 1910 COUPON, etc......222 cards TED Z . |
That's sick. What 2 AB460's are you missing Ted?
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T206 Reference, Reflections......The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement....check-it-out
Hey Jay
Great to hear from you. Camnitz (arms above head) and Larry Doyle (portrait). Would you happen to have them ? TED Z . |
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