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hcv123 08-18-2018 07:43 AM

Sports Service/Team issues
 
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More team issues:

Jack believes this to be from 1965 - I from 1960:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1961:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1964:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1966:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1967 - Jack:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

1968 - Jack:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1534599673

hcv123 08-18-2018 07:46 AM

1966 Sealed team photo pack
 
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I know there are a lot of questions about the 1966-1971 color issues - while I can't resolve them all, I believe I can shed some light.
This is a sealed 1966 team set

hcv123 08-18-2018 07:47 AM

1970 - 4x5
 
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1970 4x5 set

hcv123 08-18-2018 07:48 AM

1971 team set
 
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I have not seen this one around. It is similar to what PSA identifies as a 1971 set, but the coloring is much whiter. This is sealed in the original bag.

hcv123 08-18-2018 07:50 AM

1970? 1971?
 
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PSA identifies this as 1971 - It could be or possibly 1970. This is a sealed pack with no year identifier on the back.

hcv123 08-18-2018 07:51 AM

Probable 1970 auto card
 
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This is likely a 1970 autograph card

hcv123 08-18-2018 07:54 AM

Familiar images - unidentified
 
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These have slightly different textural , size or cropping differences - I presume them to be various appearance or team issues (except the postcard - no idea there!)

Empty77 08-18-2018 10:20 AM

Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?

hcv123 08-18-2018 12:47 PM

My (not so humble) opinion is
 
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Originally Posted by Empty77 (Post 1804975)
Awesome resource Howard. I recall asking before but we didn't finish the discussion: your sense of why PSA will authenticate/label some of these but not others? Is it just a question of what they can know for sure, and if they are unsure about provenance then the default is to not be willing to slab at all and therefore not include in the master list?

There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it:confused::cool:

docpatlv 08-18-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 1805026)
There is no obvious rhyme or reason why they do what they do. They claim to only grade items that are listed in a major price guide (Becket or Standard Catalog). How they "think" they can tell the difference between 66-67-68 autograph cards - I don't know - I can't (They don't even have a 1966 graded - or did they mislabel another year?). The fact that they do accept some but do not accept or recognize ALL of the Jay publishing and team issues as identified above - I don't know. Just requested they grade the '56 - they refused. They grade some variations and stupid things like the mini cutouts from the Transogram box, but don't grade other legitimate variations like the 180 back Salada or the wide border 69 Nabisco flakes.
Read the forums for a little while and you will see the general consensus on consistency of their qualitative grading as well. I've gotten stuff back from them and just shake my head sometimes - items that are solid nrmt - come back with a 4-5 grade.
For selling - they are a necessary "evil". For collecting they are a choice - I chose to work on a registry set because I got bored with so little to look for. I am not looking to get 100% complete on it. I have complete bazooka boxes from every year (but 1960) - I don't care about the panels (except 71 numbered) or singles. I will not even send in my 68 or 71 boxes as PSA will bend a flap to fit into their holder!!
Why they do what they do? Because people like me keep sending them money to do it:confused::cool:


Thanks for all the great info Howard. It is a little confusing between the Jay Photos and team issued B&Ws.


Day 231


1968 Topps Managner's Dream...I really like this card, I wish Roberto appeared on more multi-player cards.


https://photos.imageevent.com/docpat...erqusDream.jpg


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