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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1734631)

So will a corked bat. Cheating is cheating.

turns out, it doesn't

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/my...l-fly-farther/

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1732177)

I was only responding to this:

No players had their best seasons after 35 until the roid era

I wasn't making a point about the effect of greenies.

No players had sustained success at or above their peak years after ages 32 like the roids guys did. Is that pedantic enough for you?

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Originally Posted by bravos4evr (Post 1734737)

turns out, it doesn't

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/my...l-fly-farther/

LOL, did you even scroll down and read the comments to your article?

Sure helped Sammy Sosa hit 66 in '98

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1734631)

So will a corked bat. Cheating is cheating.

I don't really see any relation between using a corked bat and using steroids. The discussion centers around comparing amphetamines and steroids/HGH.

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1735097)

I don't really see any relation between using a corked bat and using steroids. The discussion centers around comparing amphetamines and steroids/HGH.

Wrong, the discussion centers around cheating. Nice try though.

There is a certain kind of cheating that is the issue with the two candidates. Altered equipment isn't really under consideration.

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1735101)

There is a certain kind of cheating that is the issue with the two candidates. Altered equipment isn't really under consideration.

The OPs question was whether or not the two should be in or out (the HOF). He never mentioned anything about steroids/HGH even though other brought it up. Others also brought up altering equipment. I stand behind my point which is cheating is cheating no matter what is used or how it's done. As usual, your full of BS.

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1735135)

Well....Cheating isn't cheating. That's like saying a 71 Pinto and a Ferrari are the same thing because they're both cars. Amphetamines are not in the same ballpark as steroids and HGH. It's even sillier to compare Gaylord Perry or a corked bat to steroids. Jaywalking doesn't carry the same sentence as murder, there's no reason modern steroid users can't be held to a different standard given the impact of their particular indiscretion. What Clemens and Bonds did was unequivocally worse than Mantle popping uppers to shake off a late night of drinking. I will never understand why there are those that think these guys should be rewarded for what they did. In the Olympics they strip users of medals and records. Nobody is rewriting the baseball books, those guys are losing absolutely nothing. They're just not getting anything more than what they've already stolen from the game. I'm quite fine with that. No and No for me.

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Originally Posted by dgo71 (Post 1735549)

Yes, cheating is cheating. The consequences may depend on the severity, but its still cheating. It's like stealing is stealing. Stealing a loaf of bread doesn't have the same consequences as grand theft auto, but they're both stealing. A thief is a thief. A cheater is a cheater. A liar is a liar even if it is just a little white lie.

So Brett and Perry belong in the HOF even though they cheated, but not Clemens and Bonds? How do you decide which cheaters get in and which cheaters are left out?