Gotta give "PROPS" to my Dad...he found the TTT pack and didn't even know what it was...he just knew that I collected, among other things, old cigarette packs...

Way to go, Pops!

Greg sensational TTT pack, wow!! Here's something special. If another one does exist, I've not heard or ever seen it. Original Crackerjack box circa 1914/15 that would have housed a card. With the help of a very knowledgeable Crackerjack collector, we have confirmed that all of the key markings (patent date, trademark, labeling, etc) are all present confirming this time period. Yes, it had been opened prior to purchasing it. :rolleyes: Love this thread!


http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...cjbox2pic1.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...cjbox2pic2.jpg

Thanks, Tony! In all my years of wandering through Fleas Markets, Antique Shops, etc...I've NEVER seen a CJ Box THAT old!!!

Tony, many thanks for sharing the wondrous pictures of your Cracker Jack box. It is a honey! The perfect accoutrement for a display of graded CJ baseball cards.:D Thanks again. ---Brian Powell

Amazing, Just Amazing!
 

The amount of "stuff" in this thread is just amazing. Thanks to everyone who has posted their incredible items over the past few years in this thread. Because it has gone on for so long, people like me can go back and look at things over and over again. I still enjoy seeing everything and I notice something new that I didn't previously see each time I go through it.

Today, I was at a local antique mall and saw this piece in a frame and it just stated "tobacco advertisement, $10". I snatched it up, 99% knowing it is authentic and definitely not a reproduction. When I got it home, I took out the back off the frame, and found the back side piece of the box hidden behind the front side...bonus!!! It helped confirm that these are authentic and not just aged to look old. After going through this thread again, I saw that on page 6, Leon has the entire display box in tact. I believe that these come from that same display box. I'm sure they are not anywhere as valuable as Leon's entire, intact box, but they are still pretty neat and are desired as a T206 collectable. Pretty excited about my find. I look all the time in antique malls and garage sales, and every once in a while I hit something really neat related to our hobby. I love the hunt. (Sorry, but somehow my back scans are bigger and better than my front scans)
Tim Kindler

A 12.5"x18.5" poster, not sure where it came from:

Although this cost a fair bit, it leaves only 1 to go for the T-206 run now (Uzit).

Awesome pack Jon..

Hi Jon
 

Congratulations on the CAROLINA BRIGHTS pack.......wishing you Good Luck in finding the UZIT pack.


Here's a full cigarette pack that I got from you years ago; and, it's quite neat that every cigarette in it
is labelled AMERICAN BEAUTY.

Is this typical of the other ATC brands, where their name is printed on each cigarette ?


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...igpackt206.jpg




TED Z


LOOKING for these 5 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (75 cards)
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CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
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I've seen others. Pirate, Piedmont and Tolstoi all printed on the cigarettes, themselves.

A similar sign can be seen hanging in post #20

Here's an extremely rare one that I recently got scans of. The proper size for the N284s.

very nice carolina brights
 

I had to drop out because it was still too "new" for me and my narrower focus. Only one I had seen before was at Tik's table 7/8 years ago. I tried to snag it for 100.00 and while we were talking - Jr. decided to take it off the table.....
Ted - I have a small collection of single cigarettes from a few major 19th century manufacturers - they all have their brand in the paper. As for your Chesterfield question my initial thought was they did issue branded pinbacks of women but haven't really had time to look or think about it much..........

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...usial50s-1.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...tiesgehrig.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...esDimaggio.jpg

Henry

Thanks for your answers to my questions.

Take care,


TED Z
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Re: Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 

For all the Cracker Jack enthusiasts here's a couple of ads circa 1910 and 1914.

The first is a patent for their "triple proof package" from the January 1910 Confectioners Journal.

The second is an ad from the January 1914 International Confectioner.

ErikV

Those are cool Erik. I have seen a CJ package with it advertising a card I believe, but not sure. Your ad says there is a prize in a box but doesn't mention a card. I wonder if anyone has an ad saying there is a card inside a box? Thanks again to everyone for posting their ad related items. Here us a Pinkerton (T5 associated) letter that is turning down some poor quality tobacco.

http://luckeycards.com/poletterpinkertontobacco1.jpg

Leon, the only piece that I know of which advertised BB cards with the CJ box was the original circa 1915 ad that REA sold off years ago. The box itself only had the word "Prize" on it though. Pic from REA below....

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...inalcjsign.jpg

Here is a 1915 postmarked pc with the "prize" wording on the CJ box.
Pic borrowed from another board member.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall.../halpenspc.jpg

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 

1948 Pittsburgh Pirates program


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...program25x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...gnerAdv75x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...resheet50x.jpg




TED Z
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LOOKING for this T206 guy to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 red HINDU sub-set (12 subjects)

SHECKARD (glove)
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New Ramly box acquisition. Always nice to see another turn up for sale.

Nice Jon

1936 Wrigley Field (Los Angeles) exhibition game between Cubs and White Sox program. Check out these line-ups! And how about a Cardinet's Candy ad! Anybody know who that is on the cover?

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Gasoline Alley, Brian?

Show your Tobacco, Candy, Gum, Bread, etc. advertisement pieces
 

How many of you here have heard of the Scotten, Dillon Tobacco Co. ?

It's origins dates back to 1852. This 12" x 4" wrapper (circa 1910) was designed to wrap around a large cut plug of chewing tobacco.

The beautiful lithograph depicts the White Star Line's RMS Oceanic....which was the largest ship in the world (1899-1901); and, the
fore-runner of the Titanic.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...coWrapperX.jpg



TED Z
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just fyi
 

actually to the best of my knowledge they issued what are known as "women's heads" pinbacks manufactured by whitehead and hoag to accompany their chesterfield brand circa 1904 - so they were around before the "T" era and beyond. I imagine different strategies were used by the parent company or the principles depending on the region, vision, and cost of sales.

No guarantees whether written or implied

Hi Henry and Leon
 

Chesterfield was a Liggett & Myers cigarette brand which was first introduced in 1873 by the Drummond Tobacco Company of St. Louis. The American Tobacco Company (ATC)
bought Drummond in October 1898. Liggett & Myers became part of ATC's trust in 1899. ATC continued to manufacturer Chesterfield until the 1911 trust dissolution. Therefore,
I find it quite puzzling that there were no Sports or Non-Sports cards advertising the Chesterfield brand.



Program's scorecard....4th game, Yankees won 8-4 vs. Giants. Babe Ruth got 8 hits in Series for .368 BA with 3 HR's to enable the Yankees to win their first W.S.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...corecard25.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...riesProg50.jpg



TED Z
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I think the illustrated checklist posters by Allen & Ginter and others, are absolutely superb.

As a pensioner with very little pocket-money these days, and living on the wrong side of the pond, I was wondering if they had ever been reproduced for the 70s/80s/90s poster generation. It would be the only way I would be able to get my grubby little hands on them and drool over them to my hearts content.

Failing that, are they available in a digital format at all.

Alan

yes Alan
 

there are reproductions of at least 5/6 banners (assuming that's what you're talking about - if not my bad). Check eBay for one. There's at least 2 sellers that offer high quality reproductions. I agree that the banners featuring the cards within a set are the pinnacle of the genre......

Ted
 

I can't opine on why they didn't issue cards - but given the distribution date of 1904 - it was an era where cards weren't being manufactured and 5/6 major brands decided to do it as well. Why they subsequently didn't issue cards in the 1910 period like Sweet Caporal and one or two others who previously issued pinbacks did is worthy of further study. Maybe it was inconvenient - not sure where the factory was located and keep in mind that card manufacturing and distribution was expensive (although not as expensive as redemptions). Perhaps they didn't have the machinery that was capable of inserting the cards into the packs. I recently read a fascinating study of the entire process on the web (CRS - think I saved the link but I lost it?) including descriptions and pictures of all the machines and the process. I may have gotten the link from a thread here.

Well, these weekends don't happen very often, but I was lucky enough to purchase two really neat and rare packs.

The first is a beautiful Ramly clam shell. The style is slightly different from the other I own, and the condition is nearly flawless. In total, this makes about 15 Ramly packs that I've personally seen over the years.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...ps7pyve75t.jpg

The second box below is equally (if not more) exciting. While we've all seen the Kalamazoo Bats counter top displays, which in and of themselves, are incredibly rare, I have never seen - or heard of - a Kalamazoo Bats pack. Well, here is the first. What’s interesting about the sleeve (and it’s missing the inner portion) is that the measurements are almost spot on with the cards. I've spoken to a few others, and we wonder whether these smaller packs were placed inside the large counter top displays (maybe 10, 12, 20, etc smaller packs fit per counter top display). Regardless, I'm very happy to own it.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...psvpsvdfld.jpg

Woodwards Candy.
 

Woodwards Candy Sign.

Hi Jon C.
 

Two tremendous packs, congrats.

Thanks for sharing them with us.


Jon....is there a Copyright date printed on the Kalamazoo Bats pack ?


TED Z
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Not mine but let me know if anyone is interested. Saw in antique shop. Dont remember the price.

Great Kalamazoo Bats pack Jon.........it looks like a Star of the World Pack I had a while back.............

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s...oftheworld.JPG

Tom- that's a great pack and I agree, nearly identical. After seeing yours, I wonder whether there wasn't an inner "slide" and instead the cigars would hang out of the top.

Ted - no copyright date unfortunately.

Congrats on the pick up Jon. That is awesome. Now save your pennies for my auction. :)

Congrats, Jon. I was the underbidder on the Ramly, just didn't set my bar high enough. If you ever want to move it and make some $$ on it let me know.

Fantastic Kalamazoo!
 

I would agree the larger paper CIGAR packages likely had an inner sleeve - regardless probably a handful or less exist of either of those packages. Interest level would be quite a bit higher for the kalamazoo although still limited number of interested parties. I'd be very happy to own either one - but nearly as happy just to see one - know I can't have it all. Also an underbidder on the Ramly - I dropped out and figured I'd bid on one of Leon's :-). Having a hard time replacing one I used to have when they meant less to people. O well.....
Jon - if you see this - curious exactly what the following line means?
"I've spoken to a few others, and we wonder whether these smaller packs were placed inside the large counter top displays (maybe 10, 12, 20, etc smaller packs fit per counter top display)." Sometimes I'm a little obtuse.

Henry - I haven't spoken to anyone who has seen the KB type packaging I posted above, but we have seen the larger countertop displays before (as pictured below). The packaging above measures approximately the size of a KB card, while the countertop displays are quite large. We've speculated that maybe the boxes pictures above would have been sold out of the countertop displays below.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...psn0effndt.jpg

thanks
 

just didn't know what you meant by countertop display. Whatever you want to call it - although a slightly later production - I liken the two examples and display to the Virginia Cheroots cigar packs of four - offered in cases/cartons as well as the "countertop" displays with the fold-down panels. No reason they couldn't have been shipped and sold in such a container. Next time I write the esteemed cigar master Tony Hyman I will see what his thoughts are.

Feller
 

I am debating whether or not to remove it from its holder

W555 pieces

Original Helmar box w/ two packs -

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...helmarbox1.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...helmarbox2.jpg

Original Pirates Cigarettes fan -

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...piratefan2.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...piratefan3.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...piratefan4.jpg

neat fan Tony
 

I've owned a few unusual Pirate advertising pieces but never even seen the fan before. Quite nice! Fans make for a great display on a shelf or in a cabinet but one needs to be careful as when displayed OPEN and in part depending on where they sit - the fading and dust accumulation over time unequally affects the front/side/back edges of the ridges. In addition keeping it open can affect the structural integrity of the accordion ridging. I've owned 3/4 such fans (yes I repeated the mistake at least three times) and each time sold them after a few months to a year when I realized display wasn't practical or safe. Of course framing comes with it's own problems and great expense.
I'm sure the next time I have an opportunity to get a tobacco advertising folding fan I'll take the plunge again. Most old advertising is about straight lines and I still chase half moons and circles to break up the structural monotony :o

Tony - both pieces are awesome. Really love that fan.

Hi Henry. Thanks for the kudos my friend. I too had not see a Pirates Cigarettes fan until this one as well.

Interesting that you mention to be careful on how to display something such as this due to the delicate nature of the construction. I had plans on framing it along with a Pirates Cigarettes poster which I'd posted in this thread some time back, but doing so would only hurt the structure of the fan itself so for now it sits open at half mast in my display cabinet. Safe and sound! :)