1963 ERA Leaders
 

Larry---I have both by accident. I have 3 of those cards in my set. I think Thomas ( sliphorn) had pointed out to me before that the card can be found with the yellow top extending border to border, or with varying degrees of white on the left top where the yellow does not fully extend

Al, Joe also has a copy of this card where the black border line along the left edge of the card missing....it appears that there are now 3 separate variations for this one card....possibly more depending on if any copies have more than 1 of the variations.

63 borders
 

I think Cliff has posted several 63s with the top black borders missing. I understand there is another group of cards that can be found with a side black border missing. All are fairly scarce. I am still 3 short on the cards missing the top border

1969 topps 507 rojas
 

Until today, I had not seen this recurring small green dot on Cookie's 69 Topps card....

Rojas
 

This defect recurs pretty regularly on that card as well

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1461871863

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Has anyone seen a 67 with a "yellow" back before? It appears to be faded on my end despite the description, then again I don't have the card in hand either.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/YELLOW-BACK-...QAAOSwBLlVB1cu

Yeah, I'm with you. That 'yellow' looks pretty close to just the standard green having faded a bit.

Has anyone ever seen green fade to yellow on a baseball card? I will have to see if I have one and give it a try.

1964 topps 546 joe christopher
 

I noticed this one today...a small white triangle beneath the player's name.

http://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1969/...inal&side=back
1969 Topps #644 - Chuck Hinton
Courtesy of COMC.com

1969 Topps Chuck Hinton #644 with "ameobas" above USA. Plenty of them on COMC, so I wouldn't put a premium on it.

1974 topps
 

139T Team Color Variation which seems to be same as as White Sox Also yellow bleed over in name and Phillies

1971 Topps 392 Grant Jackson
 

I noticed a different version of the Grant Jackson card...while most copies have a regular sized dot over the "j" in Jackson, there is also a version with a very small dot over the 'j".

The 67 Topps card backs fade to yellow fairly easy. Here is a Dick Green that used to be a nice normal green color.

Ty Ben for putting this to the test....Dick Green appears to also be a SD native, is that why you chose to sacrifice his card?

Fellow member PaulS was kind enough to send me a bunch of different year cards to experiment on for free. It was the first 67 I came across in the pile. Hopefully my experiments have saved people from paying premiums for altered cards.

1967
 

Sometimes the 67s are really green

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img164.jpg

Been out of the country for a bit. Did the 1960 Aaron with the defective insert posted here sell ?

The listing ended unsold on May 16. At that price, that baby isn't selling until YOU buy it :D.

Al, those would look super cool with the parts that are supposed to be missing the green turned yellow.:)

Here is a nice print offset card I recently picked up. Really like the second set of eyes on Robertson.

1996 Upper Deck #200 Mark on pants leg, just noticed it

1961 topps 277 hank foiles
 

Found a limited recurring yellow square near the lower right hand corner of this card....

61 Foiles
 

Unfortunately when locating one of them on ebay I also ran across one where the box is rectangular rather than square, so had to buy it too :(. This thread has cost me quite a bit of money over time :o

1956 #263 Bob Miller
 

Notice the yellow boomerang on his right nostril in the lower version. There are at least two on eBay right now.

1956 Topps Miller
 

Thomas---I have two Millers in my set. One is the version where there is not any green on the back, including the green box lines around the stats. This is a scarce but recurring print defect. My no green version has the front nose triangle. Does yours have that no green back, or can the triangle be found on regular backs as well

I do not have a no green back on Miller. I think all the nose rings have green on eBay as well.

1949 Pairs
 

These are scans of the NOF vs. NNOF and PR vs. SC pairs. Notice the shifting and color differences.

1961
 

Smaller ( rectangular) version of box in lower right

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1466694689

In the realm of absolutely minor, but recurring, variations, there is 1962 #126, Al Cicotte. On a good number of his cards, he has an anomalous beauty mark on his left cheek and a small, matching spot beneath his right nostril…

Attachment 236441

Uh oh, someone just bought it for $500 yesterday.

I think I posted this before but I am still wondering if this is a print defect?
All the cards I looked at also have this red dot on his forehead so I am curious if this is a printing defect or is there a chance Billy had this mole/mark on his forehead? (It's pretty red so doubt it but don't want to be insensitive it is is?)

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...lue-Prices.htm

https://www.google.ca/search?q=billy...sAQIJw&dpr=1.5

Maybe the photo was taken on Ash Wednesday

Red dot
 

What church do you attend Thomas that red dots people on Ash Wednesday :)

Irv-- the Topps cards prior to 57 were not colored photographs but rather black and white photos that were later colorized, and if you check his other cards from other years on eBay, they do not show red. BUT he does seem to have a growth there. I think you can find his 52 with no red

Thanks, Al.

I wasn't aware of that.

I haven't come across a 52 (yet) without the red dot so I was assuming these cards were one offs and not double printed?

1952 #280 Cloyd Boyer
 

The right version has a red line at the bottom. It does not appear to be a miscut as there is white under the red line.

Those lines show up on just about every Topps set. Not always on every card. I believe they're marks to help the people running the cutter. So they'd probably have dropped them when they went with more automated cutters.

1970 Topps I'm pretty sure every card comes with a line or without. And there are different lines on some cards.

Steve B

Lines
 

Agree that the 70 set and many others can be found with lines at top or bottom of cards. Often gray or black, and they can extend all across card or be partial. This red mark looks a little different to me, maybe just errant ink,... or maybe it is a partial line

Tom---do you know if it is recurring ?

I have only seen this one so who knows. I only know of it because I was eyeballing my cards to look for these type of things an found this one. If anyone else has one, that would be great.

If you go to post #492 in this thread, I showed some 1959's that have a similar thing going on, although the crop(?) lines are vertical (on the right side) instead of horizontal.

None of my 52 Topps cards have that red line that I am aware of?

I also own a Cloyd Boyer card so I'll have a look tomorrow just to clarify.

1959
 

Example of the lines in side front borders that Darren mentioned on a 1959 card---one dark, one red on lower right. On this one the red looks more line like to me

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psrhyg8kjb.jpg

1957 Topps 163 Sammy White
 

Recently noticed this recurring blue mark near Sammy's left arm

I just looked and also noticed a red mark at the bottom of my Boyer card too. It is at the very bottom and is hard to see, which leaves me to believe, the cutter actually hit the mark.

I will have to check my other cards more carefully as I wasn't aware any of my cards had this mark.

Good follow up Dale

No problem, Al.

I quickly looked the cards that were in the same stack as my, Boyer, (same series range) and didn't notice any others. I will, time permitting, look at my others later to see if I have some other anomalies that I didn't originally notice?

Here is an eBay listing from Dean's Cards for one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-2...8AAOSwyDxXgNng

Even more interesting is the "price change" Dean's did on this card on 7.7.....less than 2 days after the initial post about this card.....probably just a complete coincidence though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...p2047675.l2569


FWIW, my copy has the red line also:

What was the price before ?

I rechecked all of my cards and didn't see anything remotely close to what the Boyer card looks like but I did notice a couple cards with some slight printing marks.
One is above Joe Presko's cap and the other is beside Joe Dobson near the border and near his right cheek. Both marks are also red.

What was, Dean's previous price?

The listing's change screen does not show what the previous price was (could have been higher previously, but highly doubtful). DC has a VG copy of this card listed on COMC at $50.25, this copy is a VG-EX for $87.50...their website offers the same VG-EX card for $76.

Decided to raise my Boyer a bit off the bottom of the holder so the red mark would be easier to see.

Edit: Didn't make much of a difference.

[QUOTE=irv;1560294]I rechecked all of my cards and didn't see anything remotely close to what the Boyer card looks like but I did notice a couple cards with some slight printing marks.
One is above Joe Presko's cap and the other is beside Joe Dobson near the border and near his right cheek. Both marks are also red.



I can see the Dobson red marks and have them on mine as well so are they an UER?

Presto is a mystery as I cannot see any marks near his cap. i see the blue dot and mine has it. Can you please clarify this one?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sliphorn;1560669][QUOTE=irv;1560294]I rechecked all of my cards and didn't see anything remotely close to what the Boyer card looks like but I did notice a couple cards with some slight printing marks.
One is above Joe Presko's cap and the other is beside Joe Dobson near the border and near his right cheek. Both marks are also red.



I can see the Dobson red marks and have them on mine as well so are they an UER?

Presto is a mystery as I cannot see any marks near his cap. i see the blue dot and mine has it. Can you please clarify this one?

UPDATE:

The Dobson marks ARE a variation as the norm does not have them. Batters box has several with them on eBay.

[QUOTE=Sliphorn;1560669]I likely wrote that wrong?
Dobson's is the only card with the red dots/marks and the only other mark that I also noticed with my cards was the blue dot/speck near Presto's cap.
His card has no red marks/spots that I noticed?

Sorry, what is an UER?

Uer
 

Uncorrected error. You will see that listed for cards in the guides when for example the photo on the card is not the person named on the card, which has happened a lot. When the manufacturer issues a corrected card the result is a true variation. When it goes uncorrected it is a UER.

All of the Prestos I have looked at seem to have the dot. Does someone have it without ?

Is this another oddity for Presko...bottom border

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JXgAAO...NPS/s-l500.jpg

Thanks, Al.

I looked over my cards again yesterday fairly carefully and the only ones I found with anomalies were the cards I posted. My Boyer is the only card in my collection (over 120) that has such a noticeable mark on it, but with that being said, I wasn't even aware of it until it was posted here.

Your Dobson above is one I have never seen before.

1952 #200 Houk
 

Notice that the letters on the pinker version at left dive below the bottom border and are red. This also results in a pinkish line at the top of the left one.

http://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1960/...&size=original
1960 Topps #276 - Ken McBride
Courtesy of COMC.com

Red squiggle on left side of 1960 #276 Ken McBride.
6 of the 60 cards currently for sale on COMC have it.

Yep, the red is out of register. All the red is printed a bit low.

Houk
 

That card like many in the set can be found with noticeably different background coloring

Noticed mine is OK.

I have heard of few anomalies with the 52 Topps cards but I never knew there were so many.

I enjoy these types threads about the 52 Topps cards, and my biggest mystery, that was asked some time ago, is the Herman/Williams card the same guy?

Edit: After looking at further pictures, I believe that is Billy Herman on his card and not Dick William. Could be wrong, but some of these pics, imo, clear up the mystery.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=billy...qbncf6dZ_NM%3A

1984
 

This is post 80 but wanted some feedback on it. Was this a card Topps doctored to correct it, or just a print defect that faded

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1468528133

1957 153 Olson
 

This is recurring with the red dot at the top as I had one and just bought a better one on eBay. I noticed that there are at least four on eBay and one on COMC with this.

Nice find on the recurring print spot....just noticed this 58 Albie Pearson card with a recurring yellow "print spot" between the "l" and "b" in Albie.

Variants
 

We should randomly pick a few cards from some Topps sets, assign one or two to the regulars in here and see if we can find a variant for each card. Of course as a retired guy that seems like a good use of time to me :)

I agree, Al. Great idea!

Good luck. :D

Never heard of this one before? Has anyone else?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-TOPPS-F...IAAOSwcldUaPUd

House
 

Yes, it has been recognized for awhile among 52 collectors. Some feel it should be a true variation rather than a recurring print defect. After it gained hobby recognition prices zoomed intitially but have have come down some as more have surfaced. It is scarce but not rare in white back. However, it can apparently also be found among the rare gray backs, and in that format is indeed rare. I think one of the gray backs was posted in one of the 1952 threads in here.

The tiger can be found with different amounts of red in the tongue in some versions. Bob Lemke's mentions it in his blog and in a SCD article

Irv-- if you did an internet search for "Topps 1952 House yellow tiger" you will find some info on it. if you add net 54 to the search you will probably find the prior threads

Bob Lemke's blog entry on it was May 8 of 2011

Thanks, Al. :)

Just when I think I have learned almost everything about 52 Topps cards, another tid bit arises!

In your opinion, is the E-Bay one I posted/linked overpriced or is that a fair price? No way I could afford anyways, but I am curious.

I will be sure to do a search for sure, Al.

Thanks again for the info.

Edit: Found the Net54 post right at the top.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150558

And also another great article explaining it further.
http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/b...e?itemid=37670

House
 

Seller is pitching it as a transition or variation of a variation where the tiger is yellow but the tongue has some red. In some versions the red tongue is very noticeable. I think you would get different responses from different 52 collectors about how many different versions of this card exist. The transition cards also lend to the debate about variation versus print defect.

I think if you decide later you want a yellow tiger you can get one at a much, much, much cheaper price, especially if you are not particular on condition or degree of redness in tongue or a gray back version.

Thanks again, Al.

I edited my post right at the same time you posted this one.
Learned of a couple more cards I need to check out in the thread as well.

I would very much like to have one, or more of these print variation/defect cards but at the prices they usually command, I don't think I will be purchasing one in the very near future. If I can find one on the cheap (wonder how many I looked at not even knowing about the yellow tiger?) then I'll definitely give it some serious consideration, however.

Guess it's time to dig further into these 52 Topps cards as it seems new info about comes up all the time. ( at least to me)

Thanks again, Al. :)

1954 Topps With Yellow Dots
 

130 Bauer
141 Jay
184 Bailey
190 Herbert
216 Sima
218 Marsh
224 Weik
239 Skowron

The Man In Black-----
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...ARFT4CARDS.JPG


...Hank Arft's mounted knight appears to be a very young Sir Johnny Cash....the nose of his steed also missed the final application.....I love this thread, thanks to whoever thought it up...

...a variation ? I don't know much about the 1952 Topps St. Louis Browns...

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The man in black....
 

...fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed

The Embarrassed Buccaneer
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...DFACED_NEW.JPG

.....There's swarthy , there's dark-complected and then there's Vernon Law's sunburned peach-pink pirate ...

..the '52 Topps print variation posts will never end....

..good.

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I'll to check mine also to see if they are similar/same?

What is up with the Blue PSA slabs?

Not "PSA"
 

..." P G S "----from 1990's to early 2000's .......I think the latest card I ever saw in a PGS holder was 2004..... I'll look deeper into it. There were lots of grading companies at one time....probably some old threads about long-gone graders but I've never quite figured out the " search" on 54..

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Too Funny! I am picking up my new glasses tomorrow. :o

Thanks for the info.

Lots of variations with these cards just like you said, Mike.

Note the different Pirates, pronounced and un-pronounced teeth on the Indians, some dark horsemen as well, and lastly, some different looking Tigers.

Still looking for other anomalies/defects/UER's, which, I now think I'll have no trouble finding.

Virtually Every '52 Topps Detroit Player
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...SSCDSGCPGS.JPG


....it's actually tough to find two cards of different players with the same tiger colorations...


...Here's four , then I've got more ...

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And Four More 1952 Topps Tigers Varieties
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...IGERSMAPES.JPG


...if we can get these all recognized by The Catalogue , we could get the "52 Master Set up towards four digits....

..note the only one eyebrow on Ted Gray's tiger..

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