Needed a good laugh this morning. Well done!

What a great way to begin my morning!!! I laughed so hard at this!!!! Classic!!! " I think I will go back to collecting midgrade Topps, 1975 ". I am crying while typing....too funny!

That was awesome. Now wait till he finds out that 75 Topps are just as altered as EVERYTHING else.

Now that was funny. ....."Max Schmeling warned me of this".... Are you kidding me? Great!!!

Hmmm, I guess SGC stands for Sacred Grading Cow. Didn't they slab 8 of these before going to auction? PSA slabbed 1. Reminds me of the old NCAA joke headline: "UNC cited for 100 recruiting violations: UNC-Greensboro being put on probation."

Outstanding. Amazing work.

The Great Stuttgart find of ‘38.

I just laughed so loud my cat was startled upstairs!

That was awesome!

Finally something we can laugh about in this post.

LMAO.

Anybody with a ten dollar Bob Feller autograph leave the room (only three guys left). Hilarious

LOL!!! (an I only type that when I Laugh Out Loud!)

Genius is the word that popped into my head as well!

I'm glad I only paid $5.00 for my Bob Feller autograph or I would have had to leave the room before it was over.

Dave- your film is brilliant, and I have to say it sums up the state of this hobby better than just about anything I've heard so far.

Morning Joe
 

That Hitler video was a great way to enjoy the morning coffee!! Nicely done!!

This is amazing!


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Hahaha. I love those stupid borders too.

If I was one to submit cards for grading, this would certainly be the end of that. I feel lucky to prefer raw cards. I invite others to join me in not collecting scared.

+1 hilarious!

“ Don’t cry, he doesn’t know Elemer Flick is your dad”
Greeeaaattt stuff!!

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“It’s okay. He doesn’t know Elmer Flick was your Dad.” So funny! Thanks for making this!

Ha! I’m not the only one who thought there was pure comedy in this line!

Hitler pining for Moe Berg is especially epic.

I think you need to start thinking about the sequel.

He should have listened to Max.
 

Thanks, Dave. We all needed that.

lmao

Great stuff, have watched it 3 times now and laughed just as hard the third go round.

Thanks guys, this is what happens sometimes when you suffer from insomnia. Just wish I would have been able to embed it right in the thread, but Youtube wasn't cooperating with the captions portion of it.

Actually, it is likely just not yet. There are things happening behind the scenes and it has been asked to not make the info public yet. Most of the people who have been working on this know the IDs so they aren't completely being kept secret. The info is just not being made public due to ongoing investigations.

Simply Brilliant Dave.

Wow!! Great stuff Dave, especially Elmer Flick :).

The Feller line had me truly LOL.

Is this auto real?
 

Do you guys think this is real?

https://www.hudsonvalley360.com/arti...tion-block?amp

Thank you!
 

OMG that video was utterly PRICELESS!!

I am CRYING over here. Well done.

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This is amazing. Slow clap.

It's a skill, like anything else. Identifying forgeries is also a skill. In both cases, success = 'Natural talent' + practice + education. Education alone is not enoug

(Dave - great video and as Barry said, it sums up the hobby well)

Those captions went perfectly with the reaction shots of the Hitler entourage. You can just feel that guy's discomfort when the Fuhrer announces his intention to collect 1975 Topps...the hand to the gut, then loosening the collar.

Man, this was beyond classic for us vintage folks, and perfect commentary and a nice break from the T206 fake autograph fiasco.

Brian

Outstanding
 

Laughed so hard it hurts. Thanks Dave.

If anyone had trouble with borders, it was Adolph.

Perhaps his signature on peace treaties were forgeries.

Brian

Great piece of work!!

About 6 months ago I started buying pre-war HOF autographed PSA/DNA autographed TCMA post cards. I think I'm safe as there is very little money to be made on the ones I bought. But then, maybe the forger was just practicing on mine.:rolleyes:

Someone posted over on CU forum. I'm still laughing. Well done. matter of time before that thread is gone; glad it will stay over here

Any signature of Hitler on a "Peace" Treaty would definitely be a forgery.

Although you may find Himmler's John Hancock on a peace treaty, or an attempt at one. Although Churchill rejected it. Thus became the first known case of a TPA rejecting a signature.

Okay that was great. So well done Dave thank you. Feller line, Flick/father were funny enough but the Moe Berg line at end? Perfect.

A necessary respite in this heavy thread.

I am not sure what is funnier, that video or Paul's new name tags.

Here's the Cicotte sale to the same buyer in June 2016.

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Another article about the great work being done here:https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ar-autographs/

Hey Pat, is this N***e different than the f***f buyer? I'm sure it's the same group or user, but curious to see if it is 2 separate IDs

Fakes
 

When are we gonna start digging into the autographed Goudey stuff ?
If the T 206 were discovered fakes with just a little effort..I wonder how many autographed Goudey cards will turn up ? ...and quite quickly too

This is fantastic!

Nice job on the video! Very creative and hits a bit too close to home.

Agree this is very sad to see fraud at such a scale.

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T206 scandal
 

To answer a specific question that came up...the same buyer on e bay that has been pointed out by Pat R. to be the buyer of the Cicotte and the buyer that purchased the Baker I sold, changed his ID, early March 2015, I saw this change in the e bay history back screens. E bay does keep the accounts together but the letter*****letter coded sequence will be different but the feedback is the same..funny, his feedback just went up one which means there is still feedback being left although there are no longer current listings.

The Marquard is actually a different ebay ID. I think the rest are all the
same buyer but I will have to go back and get the sales. I think it actually
might be unrelated to the rest of them.

These are the pre signed sales from the same buyer that I have at this time.

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You won't find Hitler on a "Peace" treaty, but he is plentiful on "Piece" treaties; he got a piece of Czechoslovakia, a piece of Poland, a piece of France, a piece of Austria. But beware of his signature on a piece treaty with Russia; that is definitely bogus.

Sorry if this has been asked already, but is there anyway to tell if this buyer purchased different cards other than T206's?

Where there is smoke there is fire. If it is this easy to get forged t206 autographs by all the supposed expert authenticators out there, it is likely going on with not just pre-war cards but also all cards and probably all memorabilia. Seems to be alot of hall of fame signed rookie cards being sold over the last few years, such as Mantles, Aarons, etc. They were never that popular but somehow they have become quite prevalent. Also, as alluded to earlier, seems like a lot more signed goudeys have been popping up. The whole "signed" card popularity seemed to have taken off a few years ago and it probably coincides with this perhaps "group" of forgers (perhaps it is one forger but wouldn't surprise me if multiple people are involved). They may even have been the driving force behind trying to pique interest in this niche area and grow its popularity. I just never recall seeing so many signed cards in the big auctions before nor were they very popular.

We are all collectors and this is never good to see. As purely a card collector, I never really got into autograph collecting and as a card purist always preferred cards without markings or autos, but I can see the allure to the autograph enthusiasts of signed classic hobby cards.

Seems like fake autographs have a long sordid history in this hobby.

But it is definitely reassuring that there are so many smart and amazing collectors out there and on these message boards that are able to "police" the hobby and expose these frauds.

Thumbs up
 

The video is simply priceless. Thank you

I haven't found where he has purchased any other pre-war cards
besides T206's.

I know that PSA will guarantee their grades as far as, If a card is deemed overgraded or not authentic, PSA will either pay the difference in the case of an over grade, or buy it back in the case of an not authentic card.

Does SGC offer a similar guarantee? Wasnt there much speculation about the gretzky Wagner and if the owner would take advantage of the PSA guarantee to the tune of 2.8 million?

T206
 

Im looking at an awful lot of 30s cards that were autographed , especially 1933 Goudey and trying to back- track to find that identical card un-autographed

cosigned

What is this alleged forger, Lord Voldemort? Out with the name already!

waiting to announce because amazon hasn't yet delivered the net54 double order of tar and feathers

Thoughts on this?
 

I know the focus has been T206. I was the under bidder on this - Never pursued auto's, but bid on a few in the most recent REA sale - won a couple of 33 Goudey's. Thoughts or history on this 1 of 1 - seems too good to be true.

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=53252

That's BS, the tracking shows delivered.:D:D:D

This was owned by a member of the board who's had it for at least 10 years. I think it looks good.

Because we can all agree that scammers/forgers are a great asset to the hobby and don't deserved to be tarred and feathered?

because we all agree getting your pound of flesh should be the no.1 priority? as has been posted by more than one person, relax, you will have plenty of time to cast stones. it sounds like more important work needs to be done first.

I believe the T207 was in a large lot Phil Marks uncovered many years ago. 100% good if it's the case

FWIW - The first time I ever saw that card was on June 24, 2008 on the Full Count boards. It was posted by Chris Bland. Pretty sure he had it until it was just sold.

I purchased it from Chris Bland last year and consigned it to REA. FWIW, I lost money on that one. I think the high bidder got a great deal.

A voice of reason. If authorities and others weren't already working on this the name would have been revealed already. And any lawyer saying to out the person, knowing the authorities would rather it not be done yet, should know better.

That card was at the 2006 National. Price: $250
Those were the days

That is good to know.

Thanks. :)

This urge towards self-important secrecy with every bit of information is an unfortunate ongoing theme in this hobby. I have never even bid on a signed T206, don't have any, and thus have no stake in whether or not Paddy Livingston (whoever that was) signed a T206. But when it comes to exposing crooks, I believe as Justice Brandeis did:

"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."

I notice that reporting on crime in newspapers often speeds up the prosecution of crime. Publicizing the name(s) does not affect an investigation into past crimes one iota: the crimes are already completed and the records of them that are likely recoverable from third parties (like AH consignment records) are already in existence. What it might do is prevent someone from getting ripped off. For example, if the info is out there that Joe Shlabotnick is the person who bought the cards under eBay ID "Ohio Forger" then everyone with eBay inventory can block him. Whatever we can do to cut off and frustrate the crooks is a good thing and it starts with information. We ought to be focused on what might protect the most collectors from further scamming ASAP rather than playing Jr. G-Man, and IMO that is maximum exposure of the culprit(s).

But that's just my opinion; reasonable minds may differ.

Adam
 

I agree with everything you just wrote. Releasing the name of the culprit ASAP would help protect this community (and the public).

I am doing what I was told would help the most. IF you don't like that I really can't help you. That said, I will check into how law enforcement is doing on this today. If it is business as usual, which isn't that good from my experiences, then I will release the name. If it is going somewhere then I might not reveal it. I only have marginal confidence in authorities working in our hobby due to their lack of being able to take cases to help protect us.

Presumable the forger(s) know about this thread by now so I doubt their fraud is still ongoing. However, releasing the name(s) may help uncover more fraud. Once the name(s) are posted it is pretty easy for everyone to go back and search prior transactions. Much easier than searching thousands of closed auctions and trying to match up creases and print marks.

Name? No name? Same difference. My pitchfork is getting sharpened either way.

This is grade A stuff. The Bob Feller, Max Schmelling, and Elmer Flick lines are inspired, and I couldn't help smiling at "gottamn."