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Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1945832)

Ron

I would bet a T206 (or two) that approx. 1/2 of these 36 guys were printed with TOLSTOI backs. American Litho started printing the TOLSTOI brand early in the 350 Series game.

I look forward to your findings.

TED Z
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Hi Ted, I hoped to find a clean pattern but that doesn't always happen with this set. Initially the Minor League cards jumped out at me so that's were I started. Here's what I have so far. Maybe others will chime in on their thoughts or findings. This is only for the 37 cards mentioned. I split the Minor League cards from the others. There is always the possibility that they all exist with Tolstoi backs but just haven't been found yet. Cards on David Hall's list can't be confirmed 100 percent until that particular card shows up at a Heritage Auction. Danny Hoffman has been confirmed as seen on the next post even though the population report shows zero.

http://www.unclenacki.com/net54/Tolstoi37.jpg

Here's a scan of a Danny Hoffman Tolstoi shared by Pat R.

http://www.unclenacki.com/net54/dannyhoffmantolstoi.jpg

T206 REFERENCE..Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

Here are a couple of my low population Tolstoi cards but they are not related to the 36 we were talking about. Only one Willett has been graded between PSA and SGC. The PSA one is in the current Heritage "David Hall" Auction. I had a PSA 4 Zimmerman but traded it for some really great cards but still at times regret it. I guess that's why I don't really trade anymore. I have exactly 100 different Tolstoi's. Hope to add more to my set this year.

http://www.unclenacki.com/net54/tolstoifront.jpg
http://www.unclenacki.com/net54/tolstoiback.jpg

T206 REFERENCE..Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

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Hey guys,
Getting back to the main topic....my research has identified one more subject to add to this group of T206's in the 350-only Series. It appears to me that Bob Hall
was not printed with CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, nor POLAR BEAR backs, so we can include in him in this unique club.

Now this 37th subject does not alter the configuration of their printed sheet. Thirty seven subjects were printed on a 36-card sheet by simply replacing a particular
subject (due to a player's retirement during that press run) with another subject. American Lithographic did exactly this with the 37 cards printed with AMERICAN
BEAUTY 350 (no frame) cards. Nichols (who retired) was replaced with Stahl. For more information regarding this, check-out Post #39 in this thread.

New checklist of this "exclusive" group of 37 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hall
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)

Marshall
McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers

Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.

TED Z
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Hi Ted, I agree on the Bob Hall. What about these 5 guys? I updated my list with the Bob Hall.

Bobby Byrne
Monte Cross
Mike Mowrey
Bill O'Hara NY
Claude Rossman

T206 REFERENCE..Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1946348)

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Hey guys,

Getting back to the main topic here....my research has identified one more subject to add to this group of T206's in the 350-only Series. Apparently, Bob Hall was
not printed with CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, nor POLAR BEAR backs, so we can include in him in this unique club.

Now this 37th subject doesn't alter the configuration of their printed sheet. Thirty seven subjects were printed on a 36-card sheet by simply replacing a particular
guy (due to his MLB retirement or Trade prior to that press run) with another subject. American Litho did exactly this with the 37 subjects printed with AMERICAN
BEAUTY 350 (no frame) cards. Simon Nichols (who retired) was replaced with Jake Stahl on a 36-card sheet. Refer to Post #39 in this thread for more information
regarding this.

New checklist of this "exclusive" group of 37 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR.

MLB retirement date (or Traded date) in bold letters. Numbers for you to ponder.

Arndt
Becker ……………………………………… April 4, 1910 (traded to NY Giants)
Butler
Cassidy
Charles ….......…………………………… May 1910 (Ret.)
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hall
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait) ..….......……………… May 1910 (Ret.)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth) ……………. February 3, 1910 (traded to St Louis NL)
Hunter .......……………………………… May 1910 (Ret.)
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)

Marshall
McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest) ………...….. Aug 1909 (Ret.)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr ...................................………. July 16, 1909 (traded to Phillies)
Street (portrait)
Summers
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OK, so WHO replaced WHO ? ?

These T206's were printed circa Spring 1910....so, your guess is as good as mine.

TED Z
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Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1946408)

OK, so WHO replaced WHO ? ?

These T206's were printed circa Spring 1910....so, your guess is as good as mine.

TED Z
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Player stats and time periods is still my weak area of this set.

Here's a few numbers I found looking at my spreadsheets.

By using the 202 card (350 Only) list,
136 cards with Polar Bear
66 cards without Polar Bear
42 cards without CB, EPDG, OM, PB
20 cards with CB, EPDG, OM but without PB
3 cards with CB, EPDG but without OM, PB
1 card with CB but without EPDG, OM, PB

T206 REFERENCE..Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie73 (Post 1946398)

Hi Ted, I agree on the Bob Hall. What about these 5 guys? I updated my list with the Bob Hall.

Bobby Byrne
Monte Cross
Mike Mowrey
Bill O'Hara NY
Claude Rossman

Hi Ron

Bobby Byrne, Monte Cross, Mike Mowrey, Bill O'Hara NY, and Claude Rossman are part of a group of 23 subjects in the 350-only Series that were NOT printed
with the AB - BL - CY - DR backs.

This "exclusive" group of 37 subjects are part of the 190 subjects which were printed with the AB - BL - CY - DR backs.

TED Z
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