I realize this is at least partially tongue in cheek but, to the contrary, the winner of the auction is automatically a “winner”. That is, unless he has a specific intention to flip it and he predicts future market value incorrectly. Generally speaking, if a person places a max bid of $X, he personally values the item more than he values having $X. If he wins, he profits. And depending on the second highest bid, he may profit a lot. The difference almost kinda like cash back! Of course I’m not defining profit strictly in terms of cash. I profit every time I go to the store and exchange dollars for goods. Capitalism is awesome!

Pickups
 

Mark mentioned some pennants that were trade away in the past and here is the 46 tigers.

I have also added some pickups in the last year. All St. Louis, and the tough one is the terriers from the federal league.

-Jordan

Awesome stuff Jordan...

That '46 Cardinals World Series pennant is incredible. Never seen another, let alone in that glistening condition. White felt pennants of that vintage are impossible to find that clean. What a beauty!

Another repro
 

Here's another repro in case anyone was bidding. This is a Mitchell and Ness that is an exact copy of the original.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17574849481...g&LH_Auction=1

pennant photo
 

Here's another neat pennant photo dated 1949. Some toughies in here

Good catch. And you've gotta love that little chip of tell-tale paper under the stitching on the reverse.

Would love to see images of some of these from our collections, especially ones from teams that don't show up very often.

This is not mine, but on my wish list. I believe it is the Cubs version in this photo.

Interesting that the reigning NL/AL champs (Braves/Indians) pennants are different from all the rest. The Braves and Indians feature their respective team mascots, while all the others feature the same stadium scene.

Great photo, Jason!

Just noticed a second Braves Pennant with the typical stadium scene, but here are links to the Braves/Indians "Champs" pennants...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18566693881...Bk9SR5LPrdSPYg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/29573349400...Bk9SR9rKktSPYg

I think this is the Giants (not mine).

Football finally made it to the big leagues…

Wow! How rare is that Bills pennant? Do you think this is because the Bills have been a decent team lately? Or because this happens to be rare/relatively good condition?

The funny thing about this Cubs pennant is that this graphic is the one usually used in the early 40’s and not late 40’s. Weird how they obviously are recently made, but have different graphic designs.

It's pretty rare. One sold at Huggins & Scott for $1300 about 5 or so years ago. Nicer condition than this one, which has some chunks missing out of the top edge and near the tip.

This Bills team is completely unrelated to the current one though I imagine that might not matter much to a die hard Buffalo collector.

I am not sure but I think that St Louis pennant may be a repro. Here is a picture of an original. Colors are different

It always kind of bugged me how they’re called the “Bills”, but their mascot has forever been a simple Buffalo. They are named after Buffalo Bill Cody… right?

Assuming so, this is the only example I can recall seeing with the appropriate mascot. Great looking pennant!

I can’t see anything at all to indicate the framed one is a reproduction. What am I missing?

St Louis pennant
 

On the framed St. Louis pennant there are two shades of blue. ON the original there is only one dark shade of blue throughout. I do not own the original but have a large photo of the original and it definitely has only one shade of blue.
Secondly, notice how well centered St louis is in the framed version and how much lower the same words are in the original.

See posts 6363 and 6364. Mike took a picture of one. I actually bought it in a BIN in April 2022 and the seller never delivered or responded after purchase. Had to be reimbursed by eBay. It appears to be similar to the one framed … here’s a pic from Mike’s post, which came from the eBay listing, along with the clear tube the seller claimed the pennant came in.

Clean Sweep has this 46 pennant currently up for auction along with a very nice 44 Tiger pennant. I own the orange version of the 46 pennant and other than the one I have I have never seen these come up for auction.

https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/l...g_type=auction

Ugh.... could you not wait until the day after the auction to broadcast this?

Or are you the consignor of these?

Another auction outted!

Sorry to let the cat out of the bag Mark, and no I'm not the consigner. I'm happy with the orange version of that 46 pennant I have.

That’s a beeeeauty! Tough to improve on that!

Just want to say that these are probably the ugliest pennants ever produced, to even bid on such hideous monstrosities would be a sign of a serious character flaw. Hey, I don’t write the rules …. ;)

Very true Greg, this is why mine is packed away and doesn't see the light of day. It really brings down the value of my other Tiger pennants, lol.

New and Improved Brooklyn Dodgers Pennant

Now with 50% More Tassel!

Anybody seen glitter on the graphic any of the Trench AS game pennants?

That is so cool Greg. I guess one can never have too many tassels.

Rick

Here's a new pickup with 50% LESS tassel. :mad:

I think eight would be too many. LOL!

This works, though. If you have to have a pair of missing tassels, way better that they be missing bottoms. Still displays nice. But if only tops are missing, no bueno.

Sean, is there any glitter on the red felt or only on the graphic?

I don’t know how nice it displays. I’ll probably fold the tassels around the back. Good color, though. :cool:

I have six of these NY “stadium pennants” now. Two like my latest; two with cursive “N.Y. Giants” and two with “New York” inside a capital G.

Only on the graphic.

Maybe the screen printer guy was at a strip club the night before?

I think this is the only possible explanation. 😂

Stripper glitter is always a dead giveaway!

Speaking from experience? ;)

Experience is the best teacher!

Well since the pennant conversation has devolved this far, I think Greg may have had something similar on his mind when he wrote the part in bold. :rolleyes:

Yes there are most definitely two types of tassels! :D

And now on this the eighth day of June in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-three … the WGN series is complete. Thanks to the incredibly clutch board member who secured this for me.

POSTSCRIPT

I am reminded that this is merely one of each team, that there are others in this “set” that I don’t have like this one below, and I should probably get a new hobby …

That's a nice looking wall! I was watching the Reds that sold last week (close to $500, if I recall correctly). It did very well. Still wonder what the bomber logo is all about with respect to connecting to the Reds.

Amazing display Greg. Not only that Browns but, the misspelled Yankies and Athletics you would need to complete the master set.

I was the lucky winner of this photo. Really like it

Thanks! I can’t bring myself to buy the misspelled pennant but some of the others are cool.

Yes that’s a mystery that may never be solved. Was happy to see that it sold for a high amount.

A couple of new arrivals today.

I don't normally go for mini pennants but Mantle Holiday Inn is an exception.

I thought the Buffalo pennant was a good one to learn about the feel and texture of early pennants. Though if one of you were to tell me it was a Buffalo Federal League pennant, I wouldn't be upset (...I know it's not).

Nice ones … the Mantle is in great shape …

I feel like most vintage all star pennants are really cool. But, for some reason, the one from Candlestick (1961) just seems ho hum. Is it just me? Are there others from this era that are as boring?

Nice pennant. I'm a big fan of the ASG and World Series pennants.

The simplicity of the blue against the white background (like the 76 ASG Pennants - this one isn't mine) is pleasing.

^^^ needs bleach. :p

Marc I think that’s a reflection of the manufacturer. The Trench ASG pennants are at the head of the class, especially those that combine the roster scroll with the stadium graphic which I think ran from 1958 to 1963. They have these for most, but not all, games in that era, with the exceptions occurring when it seems that the ballpark or host team uses other local companies. Domer would have a better idea of the process. That 1961 pennant was - I believe - made by what I call the NYC mystery company, same one that made the 1958 Dodgers/Giants opening day pennant and the ones in the often posted banquet picture. Perhaps the Giants continued a relationship after the move. Below is a 1960 from Yankee stadium - same company - and a 1961 Keezer, which also makes sense since it was at Fenway. (I think Trench also did a Fenway but a plainer version.) Mystery company did the 1964 game at Shea and that’s actually pretty cool looking, I don’t have it, maybe someone else can post theirs (Mark?).

Ad Flag also did a bunch, personally not a fan but I know other collectors like them.

WGN has nice ones for the years when the game was local: 1947 (Wrigley), 1950 (Comiskey), and 1951 (Detroit).

Here’s a great pic of the ‘64 from a Lelands auction, looks like same company as your ‘61 and my ‘60.

Also I am reminded that Trench did 1954 stadium versions (Cleveland) with a scroll of just the starters. Those are really sharp.

Cleaning out some old bins of auction catalogs and I came across this from 11/1999
Maestro Auction
680-$11,205
681-$12,787
682-$7939
683-$5954
684-$4804
685-$4686
686-$6392
687-$3202
688-$4764
689-$1915

I still remember that auction vividly. Mastro called it "Mini find of Maxi Felt" or something to that effect. Someone had huge ceiling bids on all of them.... instant outbid notices happened, regardless of which pennant you bid on.

Although meaningless (given the limitless ceiling bids) I was the high underbidder on a few, including the Reds/Tinker pennant, which is still to this day the only oversized Reds Pennant I've ever seen. I wonder what these would sell for today?

Greg- I like those all of those star pennants, even the Keezer, more than the SF. Wish there was a Trench version with Candlestick. Just feel that SF got left out on the all star game pennant.

Jim- thanks for posting the auction pics. 1999 was before my pennant collecting days. I had not seen those.

Mark- sounds like you think that the same person bought all of them. If so, I wonder what that person's entire collection looks like? Any idea who it is/was?

Do you think that they would sell for as much today? More? About the same? 12k and 11k seem pretty strong.

I figured Mark got them all. :p

If made at the same time, those manager pennants would be from 1913, as that is the only year where Dahlen (Brooklyn) and Huggins (STL) overlap.

Amazing …

Here is the headline

I’d also love to know the specifics of this “find” (warehouse? Granny’s attic?) and who consigned them.

Jim, those pennants from the 1999 auction are fantastic.

A similar John McGraw pennant was sold in 2016 for $6500. https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=80517

Out of curiosity, did you save the sold prices all these years or are they available online somewhere?

Thanks.

I saved available summary’s when they were available

Please don’t start sending me requests from older suction

Sir, I salute you. An man after my own heart.

Marc:
I have no way to know for sure, but it's a good bet that the majority of these went to a single collector. I would bet that all of the "Manager pennants" did, anyway.

The "Manager Pennants" all had ceiling bids that were well above the levels at which they resided late into the night. Most were sitting at/around $3K - $4K at around 10 PM Pacific time. The auction closing rules were different back then... there was no "lot by lot" closing. So at around 11 PM Pacific time/2 AM EDT, I started hitting them with bids. There was not a single instance where my bid was even temporarily in the lead.... the ceiling bids were well above my bids and seemed limitless.

I would assume the final prices realized would've been much higher if someone else was pushing them up late into the night. There were a couple I did not pursue... really didn't love the "SOX" pennant as much as the others, and never placed an initial bid on it. The others were just too spectacular. In retrospect, I wish I pursued it, as it may have been the only attainable one!

Since this auction, I've acquired other examples of the John McGraw pennant (identical to the one Gary posted), the White Sox Pennant with leaping Fielder (that is an image of Frank Chance, BTW) and the Cubs Swinging Bear Pennant. None of the Manager Pennants have resurfaced, and I'd bet they're all still residing in one place.

Regarding what they'd sell for now... it is anyone's guess. You'd think the prices would have appreciated in 24 years, but I'm not so sure. Those were big prices, and the recent oversized pennant find in REA did not exactly blow the doors off... very pedestrian prices IMHO. Granted, the Mastro find was a bit more spectacular, but look at the huge price disparities between Mastro's 1999 "Mini Find of Maxi Felt" and the last REA auction. Collectors are fickle and there is no "price catalog" to refer to with this one-of-a-kind "sole survivor" type stuff. So the prices realized are unpredictable, and seem to depend upon who's bidding at the time and a bunch of other intangibles.

I agree Mark, but will say, it only takes two

Somewhere a lurking whale is smiling...and remaining silent.

Mark, is this 1919 Reds normal size or smaller? This is from a Christie’s auction. Description says nothing about size.

It is a vertical full-sized pennant. Not over sized or 3/4 size. The other known Reds pennant from 1919 is also full-sized, but horizontal.

It's not conclusive, but after so many years of collecting these things, I believe oversized pennants were gone prior to 1919. I think it's a good bet that oversized Major League Baseball pennants were made from the 1900s up until 1917 (perhaps 1918).

If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please post it!

I know there's a BST, but thought this would get a better response here...

Does anyone have a nice condition 1969 or 1965 All Star Game Pennant they would sell or trade? Perhaps someone has a duplicate? Neither is all that rare or exotic, but I'd like to complete the ASG pennant run I have going. Just checked eBay, and neither one is currently listed.

I never went after the 1969 version because it looks cheap and mass-produced. It kind of represents the end of the "artistic pennant" era. I never went after the 1965 version because I hate Picture Pennants. But now I regret having 2 holes in the pennant run. Just need 1965 and 1969, if anyone is looking to sell/trade.

Thanks!
Mark

Ps. We are shooting a TSOG Video today, on All Star Game Pennants, to air during All Star Week. I just realized these voids when I pulled them all out... DUH :o

Yankees cloth 1950s, made by the same mystery company that did the 1955 WS with the forked tip and is also technically oversized.

And of course the 1969 ASCOs which are almost six feet long … better classified as jumbo sized

Well obviously, I stand corrected on a technical level. And come to think of it, those Hall of Fame Pennants with all the players' busts are oversized too. But in the true spirit of the thing, I was more contemplating when they abandoned the jumbo sizes of the teens, and switched to what we now know as full-sized pennants becoming the norm.

On a side note... those are beauties. And if the Mets is for sale/trade, please drop me a note!

Yeah I think you are basically correct, there are only a few isolated counter examples. The only dated pennants I’ve seen from the 1920s are all just full-size or smaller.

As for the Mets - thanks! - and will do. I somehow got one that was not faded. Here’s the 1969 dated version, which raises questions since it is sans MLB trademark.

Greg loves showing off those “jumbo size” pennants. I don’t blame him. I’m just glad there’s not a Giants. I couldn’t stand it. :p

There may be a Giants! I bought these in two groups, a couple years apart. The person who sold me the Dodgers and Angels claimed that those pennants were displayed at the 1969 ASG in Washington D.C. The Dodgers had bleeding on the spine (which I was able to clean). Turns out that the game was first rained out and rescheduled, which gives some credence to the claim, if the bleeding was caused by the rain. But very far from conclusive, obviously. The other four have grommets in the spine but those two don’t.

I have seen the Twins and the Reds, so I know that eight teams exist. I think it’s likely they were made for all teams, and I’d give an arm for either a Pilots or Phillies.

Been cleaning out catalogs I have had for over 30 years and found some more interesting pennants

A few more

There probably is a Giants. I just don’t want to see it….unless it’s in my hot, little hands.