This is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Is this normal for an SGC card??
This card is now ruined. I did NOT mail this in with a magic marker mark on the card. Now it has a huge magic marker mark on the card!!! To say I am dumbfounded and without words is a huge understatement!!!
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Wow - Just Wow
Unbelievably crappy incident from the company that wants to overtake the leader? |
Call the mafia
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Am I missing something? I don't see any magic marker markings. I see what appears to be a long piece of black plastic stuck inside the holder though. Looks like a piece was shaved off the inner black liner and got left behind? Have you looked at that with a loupe? Am I looking at the right thing?
Whatever it is, it looks like it has some dimensionality to it. It casts a shadow and has light bouncing off of it in different directions. It looks like an object to me, not ink. |
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Yes, it's detritus in the slab. Send it back and they'll fix it, I'm sure.
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That isn’t marker, it’s something inside the slab. You can see on the right side that whatever it is is casting a shadow meaning it’s not marker
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Returning the card to SGC to have the detritus :) removed is an inconvenience alright, but sometimes mistakes happen. It is a nice looking Mays card though.
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It leaves a shadow and is catching light change so it’s not a marker. It’s plastic. Bad quality control.
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But at least the card was back promptly :rolleyes: |
100% agree
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I hope that wasn't a marker.
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Based on the last two day's posts you should switch to PSA.
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Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?
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Marker?
No chance that is marker. It is 3d. Send it back so they can remove the plastic strip. Jeff W
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I'm in the piece of plastic camp. Also, I'm not familiar with SGC's grading process or criteria, but if it was a marker, wouldn't it probably have happened before grading, and knocked it down to less than a 3?
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I don’t think that’s a marker. It doesn’t appear flat. Probably a plastic piece from the apron. A headache, but SGC will probably fix the issue for you after a phone call or two.
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Yep, definitely appears to be a piece of plastic. SGC should definitely fix this gratis. Please let us know what they respond with.
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I agree Bobby, definitely detritus.
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That is what people are saying but I have zero idea what that means. Has this happened before??? What causes it?
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Send for a recasing. |
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de·tri·tus
/dəˈtrīdəs,ˈdetrədəs/ Learn to pronounce noun waste or debris of any kind. "streets filled with rubble and detritus" |
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I agree. Looks like something between the glass and the card and not a mark on the card.
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This is UNBELIEVABLE!!! I can NOT BELIEVE SGC did this to my card!!!!!
On the SGC provided scan, does look a lot more like marker. But also with a shadow…so maybe a marker streak on the inside of the front plastic? Good news is I think your card is okay and it’s really nice.
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I got a loupe. I will look again.
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Don’t send it back.
It is now a 1 of 1. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Forever recognized in the hobby as the “Detritus Mays” |
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Hopefully, when the detritus is removed, it won't leave an impression on the card.
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If OP doesn't want to send it back, he can give it to his new long lost friend James. James will crack it out, remove the detritus, impression or otherwise, and just enjoy having the freaking card.
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Nomination for best thread of 2023, without a doubt. I love this place. I have learned a lot, participated in some great discussions/debates but above all, I have been entertained. Leon where do I send payment?
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I think there was a story arc in Peanuts, where Pigpen spends his Halloween trick or treating with his best friend, Detritus Mays. |
Peanuts was a great strip.
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Great thread! I've heard the word detritus in the past but I don't think I ever took the time to look it up. I learned something today.
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After further examination Bobby, I don't think that is undesirable detritus... it looks like the infamous Mays swoosh autograph. You may actually now have a signed Mays Red Man!
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First thing that jumped out at me, other than the shadow play, was the absolutely straight ends of the black interloper. That is something that would never occur in the natural marker-using world...unless, perhaps, some highly skilled medieval scribe (with proper pen nib attachments) was recently employed by SGC?? :D
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Did you even loupe it before concluding it was marker?
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Edited to add - it looks like foreign material from the black insert that is lodged in with the card. Magic marker? probably not. |
Interesting and amusing thread. Being an IT guy, with my logical outlook, I keep wondering why anyone would think the SGC graders would be armed with a sharpie in the first place. I'll bet a T206 Hal Chase there isn't a marker anywhere inside any of the grading rooms, and therefore it's impossible that black streak isn't detritus.
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The Red Man Willie without the rubber worm sure looks better than a 3 to me. The offending plastic must have happened. during encapsulation, I am guessing.
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That’s actually a very reasonable line of thinking, and this example below is a different company…but did this BGS grader evaluate the card and then run to the secured sharpie room to draw his Xs and the outline of the trimmed areas from memory? There are probably more dangers in the grading rooms than we know. I don’t know for sure what the issue is on the OP’s card, but the SGC scan makes it look a little different than the scan on this thread. Eagerly awaiting the final determination. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...782b75cbd1.jpg |
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I am amused that the OP is getting more flack for confusing a marker mark and detritus than SGC is for screwing up another card. At least it’s not somebody’s pube this time? The standards people have for SGC are incredibly low or nonexistent.
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Someone will try and pass it off as a late stage Mays signed Red Man.
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No offense but if anyone thinks that it's a sharpie mark you need a new monitor or phone or whatever device you're looking at the image with.
When Bobby first posted the thread I thought he was joking about the sharpie mark. |
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Definitely not a marker. Actually looks like a thin piece of black wire.
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Correct.....My original thought has been corrected. It is a foreign object. Hopefully it hasn't damaged the card.
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That's a sharp looking card! :) |
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They are a necessary evil in the hobby...which we have to live with. |
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