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vthobby 11-28-2020 10:46 AM

Guess the PSA Grade! 1948 Leaf Paige new to hobby!
 
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Winner will be the person who gets the PSA grade EXACT. Don't be afraid to guess that it might not even get graded, you can add qualifiers, or give me a straight grade guess. Plenty of combos. Maybe it gets a qualifier, maybe it does not get slabbed, maybe its a straight grade?

Winner will receive a mix of 4 autographed sports (could be any sport) index cards from my vast collection. My choice.

You can still vote up until I post a pic of the card out of the PSA Box hopefully Wednesday afternoon! Rember, only 1 winner and it's the 1st that guesses so if you see it up on the list, guess somethig else!

Ties go to the person who guessed only once and was the 1st one to get his or her Grade guess in! In other words, only 1 winner! Good luck! Thanks! Mike :)

PS Small hints, the card has the eye appeal of a STRONG 8 minus the tape issue! Appears to have been pulled from a pack and taped in a book or something. You can still guess "fake or counterfeit" if you'd like. Since you can't measure the card from the photo I should say that it measured DEAD on to the correct specs for 1948-49 Leaf cards, Not bigger, Not a mm shorter on all sides. It also was with some other 1948 Leaf "taped" cards.

PS 2 : Card is at PSA and I did not get a scan of the back! Ugh. I can tell you the back is CLEAN and about maybe 60/40 or even 70/30 off center but beautiful! Also, the small speck on the left side of card (middle) is in the top loader and is a speck of dust or something. I pulled it out before sending the card.

PS 3: This card was an original owner card recently found. I had it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders. It could still have a quaifier I guess like ST or MK but it should not come back Altered. I believe they would assume the original "taper" did this non maliciously. I have sent well over a thousand cards to PSA over the years. I am confident (could be wrong but thinking I won't be) It is not altered. Very nice but not altered!

Thanks! Mike

Tyruscobb 11-28-2020 10:48 AM

Authentic but altered

vthobby 11-28-2020 10:49 AM

Thank you!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb (Post 2039689)
Authentic but altered

Thanks for being the first to guess!

Peace, Mike

PS Since you can't measure the card from the photo I should say that it measured DEAD on to the correct specs for 1948-49 Leaf cards, Not bigger, Not a mm shorter on all sides. It also was with some other 1948 Leaf "taped" cards.

Seven 11-28-2020 10:50 AM

I'm very bad at Guessing grades, I'm going to go with a 2, because of the tape.

frankbmd 11-28-2020 10:53 AM

3 st

Casey2296 11-28-2020 10:55 AM

Back scan?

vthobby 11-28-2020 11:00 AM

oops....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2039693)
Back scan?

Card is at PSA and I did not get a scan of the back! Ugh. I can tell you the back is CLEAN and about maybe 60/40 or even 70/30 off center but beautiful!

Thanks! Mike

GeoPoto 11-28-2020 11:01 AM

4

Belfast1933 11-28-2020 11:11 AM

I’ll take 2.5

Fred 11-28-2020 11:12 AM

2.5 -scartch the 2.5, was a minute late on that one, sheesh...

will go with 7 (MK)

BabyRuth 11-28-2020 11:19 AM

2 st

3-2-count 11-28-2020 11:19 AM

PSA 1.5

And a darn nice one at that!

deeg23 11-28-2020 11:26 AM

I’ll guess PSA 4 ST... Thanks Mike!

swarmee 11-28-2020 11:27 AM

6(ST) since my first guess was already taken.

Sinker Slider 11-28-2020 11:31 AM

Psa 1.

AGuinness 11-28-2020 11:36 AM

Did you submit it through PWCC? If so, I say it comes back without the tape residue, a micro-cut smaller and in a PSA 9 holder. Ha!

vthobby 11-28-2020 11:37 AM

No.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AGuinness (Post 2039713)
Did you submit it through PWCC? If so, I say it comes back without the tape residue, a micro-cut smaller and in a PSA 9 holder. Ha!

I submit all my cards directly. :)

Thanks! Mike

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-28-2020 11:40 AM

Assuming you didn't request "no qualifier?"

Is it actual tape or just residue?

AGuinness 11-28-2020 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 2039714)
I submit all my cards directly. :)

Thanks! Mike

It's generous for you to have the contest, thanks! My real guess was already taken - but it's a great card for whatever grade it ends up with (even if it's not slabbed).

vthobby 11-28-2020 11:54 AM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2039716)
Assuming you didn't request "no qualifier?"

Is it actual tape or just residue?

I sent it "as is", I did request no qualifiers but they sometimes ignore that. :) It appears that the top layer of glossy tape has fallen off. It is tape residue only. Looks to be embedded into the card over the years.

Thanks Scott.

timber63401 11-28-2020 11:56 AM

5 st

bigfish 11-28-2020 11:57 AM

Psa
 
7st

oldeboo 11-28-2020 11:58 AM

PSA 6 with no qualifiers as PSA tends to be all over the place

Throttlesteer 11-28-2020 12:03 PM

Vg 3 (st)

pokerplyr80 11-28-2020 12:06 PM

4 mk

111gecko 11-28-2020 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb (Post 2039689)
Authentic but altered

It will be this.

Ricky 11-28-2020 12:21 PM

3 mk

RL 11-28-2020 12:30 PM

3.5

hockeyhockey 11-28-2020 12:31 PM

3.5

vthobby 11-28-2020 12:41 PM

Big Hint!
 
This card was an original owner card recently found. I had it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders. It could still have a quaifier I guees like ST or MK but it should not come back Altered. I believe they would assume the original "taper" did this non maliciously. I have sent well over a thousand cards to PSA over the years. It is not altered. Very nice but not altered!

Peace, Mike

GasHouseGang 11-28-2020 12:47 PM

I'll say 3.5 ST, assuming they ignore the "no qualifier" request.

vthobby 11-28-2020 01:01 PM

Qualifiers....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 2039752)
I'll say 3.5 ST, assuming they ignore the "no qualifier" request.

I always love the MC or the OC qualifiers when you ask for "No Qualifiers". I mean.......its pretty obvious that its not centered. Why would you need to put that? lol

Mike

PhillyFan1883 11-28-2020 01:04 PM

Psa 1

samosa4u 11-28-2020 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aguinness (Post 2039713)
did you submit it through pwcc? If so, i say it comes back without the tape residue, a micro-cut smaller and in a psa 9 holder. Ha!

winner!

vthobby 11-28-2020 01:23 PM

No
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by samosa4u (Post 2039763)
winner!

Now Now.... "winner" is not a guess! :cool:

Mike

Yoda 11-28-2020 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 111gecko (Post 2039735)
It will be this.

I am with my colleagues here.

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-28-2020 02:01 PM

I think 2.5 is still available.

vthobby 11-28-2020 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2039775)
I am with my colleagues here.

Let me re-iterate:

This card was an original owner card recently found. I got it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders.

Feel free to guess what you like but this card has not been altered in any way!

Peace, Mike

Lorewalker 11-28-2020 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 2039784)
Let me re-iterate:

This card was an original owner card recently found. I got it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders.

Feel free to guess what you like but this card has not been altered in any way!

Peace, Mike

Going with PSA 1 but a card with great eye appeal.

vthobby 11-28-2020 02:37 PM

Psa 3?
 
I found an old thread that discussed "tape stains" and it seemed the general consensus was that it was ultra rare and possibly unheard of to get a 3. Usually an Authentic 1 or higher depending on eye appeal. If they used qualifiers maybe it could go a bit higher? Not sure.

Thanks for all the guesses. Not sure if any grades are left but I'm sure there are some combos that have not been guessed! Good luck!

Peace, Mike

tedzan 11-28-2020 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 2039697)
Card is at PSA and I did not get a scan of the back! Ugh. I can tell you the back is CLEAN and about maybe 60/40 or even 70/30 off center but beautiful!

Thanks! Mike

Hey Mike

My guess is WHATEVER :)

Before PSA sends it back to you, tell them to label the flip.....1949. Or else you will have a card that is mis-dated.

These LEAF cards were issued in the Spring of 1949 (1st Series). Paige was in the 2nd Series which was issued in the Summer of 1949.

I know this for a fact, since I collected these cards in my youth.

But, you don't need to take my word for this....JUST READ PAIGE's BIO, it confirms what I am telling you.

Good Luck.


1949 LEAF...... issued Summer of 1949
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...afPaige25x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...fPaige25xb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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vthobby 11-28-2020 02:48 PM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2039794)
Hey Mike

My guess is WHATEVER :)

Before PSA sends it back to you, tell them to label the flip.....1949. Or else you will have a card that is mis-dated.

These LEAF cards were issued in the Spring of 1949 (1st Series). Paige was in the 2nd Series which was issued in the Summer of 1949.

I know this for a fact, since I collected these cards in my youth.

But, you don't need to take my word for this....JUST READ PAIGE's BIO, it confirms what I am telling you.

Good Luck.


1949 LEAF...... issued Summer of 1949
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...afPaige25x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...fPaige25xb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Thanks Ted, I've always enjoyed reading about your experiences and exploits! I started opening wax in 1976 so a bit after you did! :) I did put 1948-49 on the form but I think they only have 1948 on the flips, I'll try. I also heard a crazy rumor that the Paige was only issued in Canada? Is there any validity to that? Thanks in advance! Mike

Zact 11-28-2020 02:58 PM

With the tape the highest is going to be a psa 2.

tedzan 11-28-2020 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 2039796)
Thanks Ted, I've always enjoyed reading about your experiences and exploits! I started opening wax in 1976 so a bit after you did! :) I did put 1948-49 on the form but I think they only have 1948 on the flips, I'll try. I also heard a crazy rumor that the Paige was only issued in Canada? Is there any validity to that? Thanks in advance! Mike


Mike

The 2nd (or Short-Print) series (49 cards) was issued only in the Boston area, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and possibly the St Louis area.

That is a "crazy rumor"....I never heard anything about any of these cards issued only in Canada.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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steve_a 11-28-2020 03:53 PM

Whenever I am lucky enough to be the second owner of an SP Leaf, it seems that they come from the upper midwest. I need to spend more time there...

My guess is also AA

vthobby 11-28-2020 04:09 PM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2039802)
Mike

The 2nd (or Short-Print) series (49 cards) was issued only in the Boston area, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and possibly the St Louis area.

That is a "crazy rumor"....I never heard anything about any of these cards issued only in Canada.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Thanks Ted as always, so interesting! This one came from New England!

Thanks! Mike

tedzan 11-28-2020 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve_a (Post 2039818)
Whenever I am lucky enough to be the second owner of an SP Leaf, it seems that they come from the upper midwest. I need to spend more time there...

My guess is also AA


Hi Steve

You don't have to travel any further than your greater Boston area. There has been several finds of 1949 LEAF SP cards in your area.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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BearBailey 11-28-2020 04:55 PM

My guess is authentic, since you requested no qualifiers.

sycks22 11-28-2020 06:04 PM

Authentic

Luke 11-28-2020 06:50 PM

Auth Altered

charlietheexterminator 11-28-2020 07:12 PM

Just to be different, I say the grader overlooked the tape stain and gave it a “6”

Kaneen 11-29-2020 12:07 AM

I'm going to go with PSA 1.5 "Purple Label" :rolleyes:

Browns1981 11-29-2020 07:11 AM

1.5 st

ullmandds 11-29-2020 07:26 AM

regardless of what it grades...I guarantee this exact card will reside in a higher grade slab someday without the tape.

AWESOME centering BTW!!!!

JustinD 11-29-2020 08:52 AM

Beautiful centering for the issue.

Due to the surface paper loss from the lifting of the tape I agree with the Authentic Altered that has been mentioned.

If that was not there and the tape had fallen naturally vs removed, this could have been a 4 st or better.

Still a wonderful collection addition, nice!

Gobucsmagic74 11-29-2020 08:56 AM

PSA 2 (ST) since PSA 2 is taken

vthobby 11-29-2020 10:06 AM

Thanks!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2039954)
regardless of what it grades...I guarantee this exact card will reside in a higher grade slab someday without the tape.

AWESOME centering BTW!!!!

Thanks Pete but that is not my "Game"! I grew up on "Antiques Roadshow" and just leave things as they are. It has done well for me! Let the card doctors drool! lol

Thanks!

Mike :cool:

Oscar_Stanage 11-29-2020 10:12 AM

6.5 st

ullmandds 11-29-2020 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 2040000)
Thanks Pete but that is not my "Game"! I grew up on "Antiques Roadshow" and just leave things as they are. It has done well for me! Let the card doctors drool! lol

Thanks!

Mike :cool:

That's cool...I'm similar. I DID say "someday!"

chalupacollects 11-29-2020 05:10 PM

6.5 for me since no quals...

Exhibitman 11-29-2020 05:28 PM

Altered.

peanuts 11-29-2020 06:08 PM

Psa 4 (st)

hcv123 11-30-2020 06:09 AM

I second that
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BabyRuth (Post 2039705)
2 st

Darn. Too late to the game!

scmavl 11-30-2020 10:07 AM

It's already taken, but I'm thinking 1.5.

luciobar1980 11-30-2020 11:02 AM

I'm going PSA 4 (MK)

irv 11-30-2020 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2039954)
regardless of what it grades...I guarantee this exact card will reside in a higher grade slab someday without the tape.

AWESOME centering BTW!!!!

Nah, that wouldn't happen, would it? :rolleyes:

vansaad 11-30-2020 12:55 PM

4.5

bobbyw8469 11-30-2020 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 2039784)
Let me re-iterate:

This card was an original owner card recently found. I got it next. The card is UNTOUCHED, UNTAMPERED, UNALTERED with FULL Borders.

Feel free to guess what you like but this card has not been altered in any way!

Peace, Mike

You can say that all you want, but tape on the card is consider ALTERED.

pawpawdiv9 11-30-2020 01:31 PM

Nice card---- i agree its gets a Auth/Alter
but playing along----nobody guessed the dreaded NQ (just saying it might been sandwiched and a big woman sat on it.:D

vthobby 11-30-2020 03:41 PM

Nice!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9 (Post 2040345)
Nice card---- i agree its gets a Auth/Alter
but playing along----nobody guessed the dreaded NQ (just saying it might been sandwiched and a big woman sat on it.:D

That made me laugh out loud Chris. I know the Brooklyn Dodgers had Hilda Chester but not sure of any large Cleveland Indian female fans? :) :eek:

The card is being overnighted to me as we speak! I am resisting looking at the grade as I want to see it fresh out of the box! Anticipation!!! :)

Peace, Mike

Bridwell 11-30-2020 03:56 PM

Paige guess
 
Psa 2

vthobby 12-01-2020 09:31 AM

Ughhhhhh....
 
I just got a text with the dreaded "Exception Delay" so most likely tomorrow now! I was upset and thought I was texting my friend how upset I was and realized I was texting the UPS message I had just received.......oh boy.........if a real person at UPS reads that text, they will keep the card for sure! I took the day off to wait for it.......now ughhhhhh!

Peace, Mike

vthobby 12-01-2020 08:31 PM

Morose tonite!
 
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Just my luck........... the best card I've ever sent to PSA........delayed with no explanation from UPS! Ugghhhhhhhhh..........tried calling and could not talk to rep. Must be that time of year!

Still taking guesses until I get this card back..........waiting to open he package before I see the grade! It's killing me! ughhhhhhhh What is strange is yesterday it said it was in NH at like 11am. Now that update is off the site and it just says "delayed". Should I be worried?

Hoping and praying to have the grade tomorrow! :):rolleyes:

Peace, Mike

PS I thought USPS was bad, now add UPS to that list!

Kidnapped18 12-01-2020 08:43 PM

Guessing PSA 1.5 Fair

Tony

vthobby 12-01-2020 11:42 PM

Closer......
 
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It's getting closer!

:)

Mike

vthobby 12-02-2020 12:14 AM

List of entries.......
 
I'll list the grade and screenname and 1st guess only of each grade since only that can be a winner and a couple interesting tidbits about some of the guesses:

PSA Altered Exhibitman
PSA Authentic BearBailey
PSA Authentic/Altered Tyruscobb 6 others voted also - hope they are wrong!
PSA 1 SinkerSlider
PSA 1.5 3-2-count 4 votes with a ST qualifier also included (WINNER!!!!!!!, please message me your address!)
PSA 1.5 ST Browns1981
PSA 2 ST BabyRuth
PSA 2 Seven
PSA 2.5 ST Belfast1933
PSA 3 HawkFan70
PSA 3 ST Frankbmd
PSA 3MK Ricky
PSA 3.5 RL
PSA 3.5 ST GasHouseGang
PSA 4 MK pokerplyr80
PSA 4 Geo Poto
PSA 4.5 vansaad
PSA 4 ST deeg23
PSA 5 Schlesinj
PSA 5 ST timber63401
PSA 5.5 MK ullmandds
PSA 5.5 AndrewJerome
PSA 6 oldeboo
PSA 6 ST swarmee
PSA 6.5 chalupacollects
PSA 6.5 ST wid-conroy
PSA 7 MK Fred
PSA 7 ST bigfish

So....I know I'm dreaming but I hope the 2 members that picked 7 are right! I also notice some missing grades with PSA 5.5 being the most obvious!
You can still vote up until I post a pic of the card out of the PSA Box hopefully Wednesday afternoon! Remember, only 1 winner and it's the 1st that guesses so if you see it up on the list, guess somethig else! :)

Peace, Mike

Schlesinj 12-02-2020 03:21 AM

Put me down for PSA 5 since you have a spot open. Good luck today.

HawkFan70 12-02-2020 06:15 AM

PSA 3 sounds good to me....good luck!

ullmandds 12-02-2020 06:28 AM

psa 5.5 mk

AndrewJerome 12-02-2020 08:42 AM

PSA 5.5 since it’s open.

Andrew


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