20 retraction high bidder PWCC
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Only 20.....:rolleyes:
The runner-up bidder with 2,670 Feedback, is having a tough time getting over the "hump." |
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What makes you think that the auction house is not aware? It is possible that they know and condone.
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All is normal on Net54 tonight
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For the record, I have never defended bid retractions. |
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Now, do you want to STFU like you should have done originally or do you want to keep going? |
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To be clear it is NOT illegal for an owner to bid on his own items in most jurisdictions that I am aware of. That being said, we have a rule against it as we feel it is unethical, especially in an absolute auction.
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This user ID has been placed on our block list. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Betsy Huigens PWCC Auctions |
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But, they can cancel that bidder's bid. |
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I agree and not sure on the legality of shilling AND retracting. Individually both activities are legal, but combined it heads into an area I don't feel competent to call.
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It would have been nice to see the bids cancelled, but what can you do.
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So Brent, what happens when Randy Retraction retracts another bid and the current underbidder tells you he doesn't want it as he spent his money elsewhere?
Does the card now go to next in line or is the auction for that card cancelled? Please explain what is going on? You said "This user ID has been placed on our block list". but yet he is still there, and from what I understand, is still bidding? :confused: |
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Perhaps they were not malicious retractions.
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http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2471758.m4792
I like the guy who put in 28 bids. Quite a deviation from his usual pattern, it appears, but whatever. All is good. |
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http://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/401...p2047675.l2565 Bidder on the 63 Topps: 1***3(1023) $7,601.00 12 Aug 2017 at 5:53:45PM PDT Bidder on the Unitas: 1***3(1023) $5,100.00 14 Aug 2017 at 9:58:46AM PDT |
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Even All-Pro offensive linemen miss some of their "blocks".;) |
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Ignoring a problem ..
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.. usually makes it go away .
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That blocked bidder somehow keeps bidding, I wonder how he manages it.
http://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/401...p2047675.l2565 1***3(1036) $2,950.00 23 Aug 2017 at 1:48:26PM PDT 1***3(1036) $2,950.00 21 Aug 2017 at 8:06:20AM PDT And yes, it's our same bidder as in the first post, who Betsy "blocked" on the 13th. He now has additional feedback. 1***3(1036) $7,601.00 12 Aug 2017 at 5:53:45PM PDT 1***3(1036) $7,601.00 8 Aug 2017 at 2:56:34PM PDT |
Peter are you in the midst of a work interview in order to secure the apparent vacancy that PWCC has for a dedicated "auction monitor"?
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I am suggesting that in post 15, 10 or so days ago, Betsy assured us the 20 retraction bidder had been blocked, and that according to ebay the same 20 retraction bidder just placed a bid on a card in a PWCC auction (and had placed another bid on the same card 2 days ago, and at least one other on the card and other cards the morning after he was banned). Draw your own conclusions.
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But remember some rules do not apply:
"He/she is a very regular bidder and has spent almost $60k with PWCC in the last three months, and has every intention to proceed with the purchase should he/she win the card." |
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We could be doing this by email but...isn't most or all of what they post just giving lip service so that people just let them be? There have been no consequences for what they have been been caught doing so lip service has served them well.
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All one can do is shine a light and hope someone cares.
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This will never end
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Not a word PWCC speaks can be taken as the truth. :mad: |
Are there any class action lawyers on the page?
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I actually believed, between them and E-Bay, that I was actually bidding/purchasing from a caring, open and transparent AH. What a fool I was! :( |
Well, our boy just won a 9K card.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Fleer-F...19.m1438.l2649 And a 7k card. http://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/401...565&rmvSB=true And possibly others I don't feel like searching for. Honestly I doubt I would ban him either especially if I had reassurances he wouldn't keep doing it, but then again I wouldn't say that I had if I hadn't, nor would I make a big deal out of a blocked bidder policy if I didn't really have one. |
Yup, and the under bidder cost him 4K on the Unitas (if he pays).
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And recorded prices just continue to climb .....
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Very odd as someone contacted me about not paying on a pwcc auction, do to questionable results. He said the blocked him immediately!
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Interesting auction on there now. With 3 days to go, a Mayweather PSA 10 is over 1900 and has been for at least a couple of days. Another 10 just sold last night for 911. I don't get it.
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At least those two only combine for 6 bid retractions so it's good.
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Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller. Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice. Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue. |
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http://live.autographmagazine.com/pr...-shill-bidding |
Addressing this issue ...
Will never happen , just wait for the indictments .
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[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;1694803]Kevin is right; Ebay doesn't give a crap.
Everyone knows eBay doesn't give a crap about anything but $$$$, ever hear of BATTLEFIELD0516??? |
eBay does give a crap.
Here is where they don't give a crap. On more than one occasion I've had non payers. I can't leave them negative feedback but I can give them a strike (does nothing). Here is where they do give a crap. Since leaving a strike does nothing, I leave them positive feedback in caps saying that the buyer is a Non Payer. I have received 2 warnings from eBay saying that I can't say anything negative in my feedback about the Buyer. They told me it was against their policies and they then removed the comment. See, I told you that eBay gives a crap. |
even though ebay has tried to reinvent itself as being like amazon (discouraging auctions and encouraging straight sales and seller stores), ebay falls incredibly short when it comes to customer service. the other day i had an issue with not receiving merchandise from an amazon seller and opened a claim online. within 2 hours amazon responded saying my money was being refunded. this isn't the first time amazon has responded quickly to a problem. ebay seems to want to be amazon without doing a large part of the heavy lifting.
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I know it's a pain in the butt to think about ...
I understand your frustration . It frustrates me too .
" The wheels of justice grind slowly , but finely " |
I tried complaining to ebay but I couldn't understand a word they were saying.
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I am told by a very reliable, inside source that ebay is working diligently on the bid retraction issue on the whole ebay platform. I think we will see something in the next several months. Ebay takes it's time but they know it's a problem. They are working on it.
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I am not trying to defend PWCC here. There were times I reported shill bidding to them and they felt that the bids were legit (lol), but these guys are selling like 700 trillion cards every year - how are they supposed to do everything manually? Block him, cancel his bids, block another guy, etc. That would be a crazy amount of work for them. Here is the solution: eBay needs to change their software! In other words, you cannot bid more than three times in any auction.
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All I ever read/see are lies, but I guess some get fooled by that thinking they'll eventually, when their ready, and feel like it, get around to it, as long as you haven't won any of their auctions and spent X number of dollars, in which case, those rules don't apply to you. :rolleyes: |
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He beat Marciano's record last last, I'm sure that's it
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I thought it was actually a great fight! 1000% more entertaining than the Pacquiao fight. Conor did much better than expected and didn't disappoint the MMA crowd while taking home 2x more than he made in his entire career. And Mayweather got to give his fans the fight they wanted to see 2 years ago against Pacquiao while beating Marciano's record in the process. Everybody won!
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