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amazing find !!! original 1912 New York Highlanders Full season ticket book
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amazing find !!! original 1912 New York Highlanders Full season ticket book
it is a complete with all 77 HOME COMPLIMENTARY game coupons each ticket has the Greater New York Base Ball Club, of the American League HOME GAME NUMBER IN RED AND 1912 Frank J Farrell Pres' 1912 was the final season for the Highlanders, before being named the New York Yankees the following year in 1913. It was the teams final season playing their home games at Hilltop Park (1903-1912). This was also the first year that the New York Yankees franchise wore Pinstripes. so the Game 1 ticket would have been the very 1st Game. also in 1912 at the Highlanders on Aug 13 Detroit Tigers played this is the Game where Ty Cobb went into the stands and beat up a NY fan who actually was deemed a cripple by The NY Press Cobb would get suspended . there were some other great game played at Hill Top Park that year here is a great link to every thing related to this booklet I own check it out http://keymancollectibles.com/ticket...meschedule.htm it could be the rarest find in years |
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Outstanding!
-Al |
Now this is cool!
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Very cool.
(Please keep intact). It's great. Congrats! |
Woah, very cool.
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Great pickup David !!
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That is awesome
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The tickets have a printed signature of Frank Farrell, the club president. Here is a great SABR bio on him that I found on line. Here was a very interesting fellow:
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9c6a7eb4 |
Amazing find
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Pick up of the Year ?
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and then pick up the 1911 Athletics booklet of 24 games and this in the same year , whats the odds of that |
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This is a great book! Congratulations!
They do pop up from time to time - I have assembled a small collection of 6 of them now. I bought the 1901 Philadelphia A's book in Heritage last night, which was signed by Connie Mack - that has 25 of the 70 tickets included. That now is the earliest one I have, with a 1917 Boston Braves one being the latest. Not sure how long beyond 1917 that they were manufactured, but would love to hear about others out there. Here are a couple of others which I have, with ticket stubs included ranging from less than 10 to full books. |
tell us...
David............Not to be too nosey about your 'find', but tell us how you 'found' it. That's what I find most interesting about these items, the story behind it......Matt
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Interesting recipient for that Boston ticket book.
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Minor League ticket booklets
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Here are a few from two International League teams from the same era, 1915 Montreal Royals and 1917 Buffalo Bisons.
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I'll join the party--1886 NY Giants almost complete ticket book signed by John B Day:
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This thread gets better every time I come back.
-Al |
Interesting
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Pity-Looks like some idiot distroyed the book
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So am I correct in assuming they were never used ?
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sad to see that the ebay seller and the name of the original poster are one and the same...
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That’s a piece of history!
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Now it's lots of pieces of history...
If he's getting $50 a game he destroyed it for $3850. Assuming he can sell every game. What could he have gotten for it whole? |
"Could be the rarest find in years", so lets destroy it.
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OP, im sorry you decided the tear apart that coupon book. May I ask, did you try to sell it as found? Id have been interested. Dang.
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my stuff bought and paid for and mine to do as I please .
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thanks for the replies, I have been buying and selling Baseball Related items for over 30 years spent in access over $100,000, I also have a large collection of baseball tickets that I will probably never sell. As I acquire these collections from various places, I decide what I will keep for my own personal collection , what I will trade or sell , I then spend more money in the hobby to acquire more stuff ,rinse and repeat , I am retired I love collecting vintage baseball related items . But I am not a hoarder , and feel its ok to sell off or trade "MY" items as I see fit. FYI I had a very substantial offer to sell the entire booklet , where I could have made a nice profit , but that would mean not owning any of the tickets so I turned it down. Many people new to the Hobby of ticket collecting may never have an opportunity to own one of these 1912 Highlander tickets ever at a nominal price . based on how quick they sold and i the fact I have many repeat buyers i am making a lot of people happy . I understand on this board when you post something ,its subject for discussion and for members to voice their opinions good bad or ugly , but it was my choice to break up booklet so I could keep some tickets , and offer others for sale or trade. is that so terrible , |
How many 1912 Highlanders tickets are known?
Edit: To me, the item is the booklet of tickets, not the tickets themselves. To break it up is like taking a T206 Honus and cutting it into smaller pieces so that people can own the pieces of history. |
an offer I refused
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I don't need to make a killing and it was never my intention , and at least now some collectors can say they have some thing very rare that they got at a reasonable price. Not the very wealthy collector who would have stashed in his vault never to have seen the light of day |
thanks for all you're doing for the hobby
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in retrospect
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they are very happy I did . I have received over 40 emails & PMs asking for individual tickets to certain games , I am sure none could have afforded to buy the book complete . I guess in retrospect I should have not let anyone know my great find, or offer any for sale , hid it my vault till the day I died , so then some one else could buy it , sell it for a huge profit it ,or it get thrown away as almost happened with this Booklet. |
Your argument is the same one used to cut up a Babe Ruth bat or uniform so a lot of people can have a piece. That booklet lasted over one hundred years till you decided to destroy it. Shame on you. The hobby is better without generous people like you.
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At the same time, I don't think it should surprise you that some people are bothered by what you did. People are entitled to those opinions, and posting here (especially after the excitement of the initial post) means the reality of this. |
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I would disagree with than analogy. Each ticket is a stand alone item. The "ticket book" was created so that the purchaser in 1912 could remove each ticket for a game. The removal of the ticket meant you still had a book with some tickets and a single ticket. It is not a literary work. A bat or jersey is a single item. Taking it apart does not create an item that can stand alone on its own. It would be a piece of wood, wool, button or sawdust. Would I have done the same thing he did? I have. Some of the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition tickets are also considered Olympics tickets. You could purchase a full book of tickets for each day of the expo. They also put your photo inside the booklet with your name. The booklet looks very similar to this one with 5 small tickets (about 3/4" x 2") per 'page'. They were also numbered by the day of the year i.e. #155 would be May 5th the 155th day of the year. The ones for the athletic, swimming and golf sell very well on their own. Several have said it was his and he could do with it what he wished. I would suspect that many people on this board do something with their collection that others would say is wrong. If you own it, it is your right to do as you see fit. |
To me this is a tough one.
Personally I prefer stuff kept as-is unless there's a good reason to make changes. Even some of the semi-junk I've gotten over the years I've kept as original as possible - like card sets I got through the mail that I've kept in the original packing. But I also do some stuff with old magazines which is a closer analogy. I've bought a lot of them, most from one source. Some are in great condition, and hopefully if the kids don't want them years from now, someone else will. But others... Some were in bad condition already, others were partly cut up by the guy I got them from as source material for his nostalgia magazine. Do I take ads or articles out of the nice ones? No, just won't do that. Do I take ads or articles out of the ones that are missing portions/covers/ etc already? Yes, I do. Not always something I do in a hurry, sometimes the thing I want would damage a better item if it was cut, so it's a choice. I'd have probably kept the book together. But it was missing the covers, and the top page was a bit rough. If it was the only one, I'd think it would be best if it stayed together. If there are others from the same year that are nicer, or at least complete, then maybe. I don't buy the argument that a seller is "providing people a chance to own a piece of something they couldn't afford" That's just justifying. (And my other reasons fringe on politics, so I'll avoid that. If you have to know, just email me) I also only partly get the "it's mine to do as I wish" Yeah, it is. But it was here before you, and without being broken up would be here long after you and I are gone. The cards the Goudey co burned to heat the building were theirs to do that, but I'm sure we all wish they hadn't (except maybe anyone who owns an uncut sheet...) A lot of what we collect wasn't really intended to be kept for years, but I'm sure we're all glad it was. That we can be custodians of those things so they're there for future generations is pretty cool. Now, there are exceptions. When the Smithsonian restored at least a couple of the cloth covered planes they partly funded the restoration by selling photos of the plane framed along with a one inch square of the original cloth covering. At the time that old cloth would have rotted away at the Garber facility that was shot on storage, or been thrown away. And having a textile mill create a short run of the exact fabric was probably really expensive. (I've seen where another museum did something similar, but had a bunch of the cloth made and offered it to owners of the same sort of plane. ) So OP, yes, yours to do as you wish, and it's been broken up now so not much point. But I'd ask you one thing.... Take some of the money and rescue some bit of the past from some sort of inevitable oblivion. There's a lot out there, I used to find it pretty often, and for very little. Like some route salesmans books and some letters and other paperwork from a 7-up bottler that was at an estate sale - on the floor behind the furnace, with other "trash" they would have thrown away the next day. Not really valuable, but interesting. I got the whole pile for I think $5. |
As far as someone offered $8k for the whole ticket book.
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The following made me want to puke.....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Christy-Mat...53.m1438.l2649 Breaking this ticket book apart could be viewed as a shame but it wasn't complete to begin with. The Matty transfer document being cut up was just STUPID. The card should have been a mail in redemption ticket to obtain the whole uncut document. |
FYI here what I have done for the Ticket hobby
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https://www.psacard.com/Articles/Art...-1933-1947-era this enabled 1000's of tickets previously worth next to nothing , to sky rocket in value , when dates and years could be accurately assigned to undated Yankees tickets , I also prevented a bogus Mickey Mantle ticket being sold to some unsuspecting buyer at a major auction house for $1000's http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=240361 |
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Mother Teresa got nothing on you |
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Doug "it's all in the timing" Goodman |
why I did what I did
why I did what I did
when I initially shared this find with Net 54 Members , there were many responses all positive, I had many PM messages asking if I had any plans on selling the booklet. I received a few substantial offers , all of which would have given me a very lucrative return. The reason I declined them all is I really really wanted to keep several of the Games tickets from the season of 1912 Highlanders, for example Game No. 1 (1st time Yankees ever wore pinstripes ) Game No.4 Walter Johnson Complete Game 1-0 shut out and on the same day the Titanic Sunk , Game No. 19 - Ty Cobb goes into stands Beats up NY Fan GAME NO. - 46 Shoeless Joe Jackson (CLEVELAND) Career Home Run 11 Game 77 , the last time the team would be called the Highlanders and last Game at Hill Top Park . there were many other great games played with Hall of Famers I then started to get numerous requests for Games played by certain teams Boston Red Sox who won the world series that year , Cleveland Naps , Detroit Tigers, and other for teams. Keeping the book as is stashed away in drawer or a dark vault for possibly no one else to see, may have been the choice of some , or sell it complete and take the money and run for a very nice profit. I chose an option where I got to keep a few tickets I wanted , and sell individual tickets on the open market , and still come out ahead some tickets can be had for a nominal sum , some may sell for more , Making a ton of money was not my motivation , if so I would have flipped it straight away in the beginning. if this were a handed down family heirloom, or had the original Front and back Cover with the name of the original owner therefore really making it really complete, I would have 10000% kept as is with out a single moments hesitation !!!!! , obviously this explanation though long and maybe boring may still not please every one , thanks for your time |
David, your explanation for your decision makes complete sense to me. I believe I would have done the very same as you. Being a WaJo card collector, for sure I would have kept the Game 4 ticket!
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if I find an uncut sheet of 170 T206s, which was originally produced with the intent of it being cut up, and i do just that because I only want the 8 cards on the sheet that picture Cincinnati players, that doesn’t strike you as a bad decision?
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Amazing find!!!! Watch me tear it into pieces so I can make more people happy?!?!
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I understand that these are in fact tickets but I don't find a lot to get excited about since they aren't gate tickets. I would have left the book as is being that the individual slips aren't all that attractive. They must be pretty tiny when they're ripped off.
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"tiny"game 1 ticket worth BIG BUCKS !
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for the tiny little "Game 1 ticket" however for me its one I want to keep as they say "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" |
Good luck with the sale. I only meant to say I thought they looked much more appealing as a group than what I imagine they look like separately.
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Wasn't like this dude burned it or flushed it down the toilet. Not sure why he is Public Enemy # 1.
I get really pissed when some card company butchers a document and creates a ugly autograph monstrosity, but I guess you own and you do what you want with it. Sort of how the world works. |
some key games of the 1912 Highlanders Season
some of these game tickets will be available for sale in the near future , They will be all PSA slabbed and graded
GAME NO. - 1 First game the New York Yankees franchise wore Pinstripes. GAME NO. - 2 Tris Speaker (BOS) Career Hone Run 23 (1st of league leading 10) GAME NO. - 4 Walter Johnson (WASH) Complete Game Shutout (27th career) "Titanic Sinks on this day" GAME NO. - 8 Hippo Vaughn Complete Game Shutout GAME NO. - 9 Eddie Plank (PHI) Career Win 227 GAME NO. - 10 Chief Bender (PHI) Career Win 143 GAME NO. - 17 Ty Cob (DET) 2 stolen Bases, 19th of a record 54 Career steals of Home, and 2nd of a record 8 steal of Home in a season (1912) GAME NO. - 18 Ty Cobb (DET) Stolen Base GAME NO. - 19 Ty Cobb (DET) jumps into Stands & Beats Up New York Fan. Cobb Stolen Base , Gets suspended GAME NO. - 25 Ed Walsh (CHI) Career Win 163 GAME NO. - 30 Walter Johnson (WASH) Career Win 90 GAME NO. - 45 Iron Davis Major League Debut (Game II) GAME NO. - 46 Shoeless Joe Jackson (CLE) Career Home Run 11 GAME NO. - 49 Ray Caldwell Complete Game Shut Out (3rd career, game II) GAME NO. - 54 Ty Cobb (DET) Detroit Tigers wear Yankee Pinstripe Uniforms GAME NO. - 55 Sam Crawford (DET) Career Home Run 73 GAME NO. - 56 Guy Zinn Steals Home Base for a record tying 2 times in a game GAME NO. - 58 Ray Caldwell Complete Game Shut Out (4th career, game II) GAME NO. - 66 Iron Davis First Career Win (Game II) GAME NO. - 69 Smoky Joe Wood (BOS) Career Win 76, 29th of 34 Win Season GAME NO. - 72 Eddie Plank (PHI) Career Win 248 (game-II) GAME NO. - 74 Eddie Plank (PHI) Career Win 249 GAME NO. - 75 Walter Johnson (WASH) Career Win 115 (33rd game of season) GAME NO. - 77 Last Game played at Hilltop Park, Last Year as the Higlanders. Hal Chase Career Home Run 20, and last HR hit at HillTop Park. Jack Lelivelt 2 Home Runs; First Career Home Run, and Last Career Home Run. |
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Straying off subject a bit...I'm not a ticket collector, but I have to wonder how collectors assess 'value' if tickets were left in a booklet, unused. Say you had an unused Mazeroski HR World Series game ticket. Would that be as coveted as an actual used ticket from that historic game? It seems to me the answer would be a resounding "No!"
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wasn't flushed down the toilet
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the person I bought the booklet from found it in among some old books and old photos in a box he found at a garage sale , he said he got there quite late the people were packing up and were already putting stuff in boxes to the side of the curb for trash pick up there were several other boxes they still had for sale, he said he paid $25 for 2 boxes of stuff in one of the boxes was the booklet , he then googled 1912 American League Baseball of NY found out they were the New York Yankees , he then googled vintage NY Yankees tickets, a website I am a NY Yankees ticket consultant on comes up number 4 out of 1,840,000 results he contacted me about the booklet we negotiated a deal , wasn't much negotiation when I gave him my price, I do not think the FLASH could have said yes any quicker ,so It may have been saved from the trash heap if he had not bought the boxes , the guy had no emotional attachment and very happy to flip it for a huge profit , and here we are . |
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Not the first...not the last
I find it interesting that the OP was clever enough to post this "amazing find" on the front page, where he would have more eyes then our standard B/S/Trade section as a means to facilitate the sale of this ticket book.
He found a way to advertise an item for sale without buying a banner like our other fine advertisers! Patrick |
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I feel that the OP has every right to do what he wants to the tickets since he owns it.
I personally like the idea of purchasing separate tickets which have some significance. Owning the whole booklet doesn't really bring out the individual feats of each game. There are people out there who rather have the entire ticket book intact while others rather own a piece of it. You will never please everyone. |
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Just curious, at what point did you decide to tear the tickets individually, before or after posting this thread?
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some games I really wanted
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At no point was I asking any opinions as to what I should do with it., in regards keeping intact as is (remember it was missing front and back cover) , sell it ,or even donate it to the Hall of Fame. to answer your question, some games tickets I really wanted to keep especially Game 1, game 4 and Game 77 there were a few others , after waiting several weeks of weighing my options , and after receiving lots of messages asking if I wanted to sell book whole or possibly singles . I decided to break it up , If money was my motivation I could have flipped it early for a very significant profit , but then lose the once in a life time opportunity to own some important tickets , that will NEVER come up again , this way I get to keep some desirable tickets and sell or trade off the rest. I collect , buy , sell and trade , for me its a win win , whats done is done I have no regrets |
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