PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney
 

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ting-with-fbi/


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Rob, he got the information here lol.

Ha! I saw the headline before I read the article. Was not aware he was a board member...

:)

Hopefully, Jeff’s involvement will lead to the exposure of all the criminals involved and their imprisonment. I think this ultimately will be a net positive for the hobby.

Well if Jeff is representing some of the criminals I am going to go out on a limb and guess that he might be fighting against their imprisonment.

A little surpised by this...but then again...not so much.

How the hell is PWCC still actively selling on eBay?

See my signature line.

Of course. Brent hires an adept attorney to help figure out the best way to save his ass. It may or may not have a positive long term affect on the hobby (as is being advertised), but I pretty certain Brent isn't interested in that. But if it does benefit the hobby and folks get restitution, the pitchforks will be lowered somewhat, which can only be a positive for Brent's future wardrobe.

Truer words have never been spoken. Brent isn't, hasn't and won't ever be interested in the long-term affect on the hobby.

Nope... just maximizing the money. And screwing collectors over, no matter what the cost.

His sad letter on conservation (once the waters got hot) is proof alone of this. And any “good deeds” he’s doing now (refunds + acknowledgement of misrepresentation) are being done at the firm instruction of his legal team.

A classic case of changing one’s tune, only because they were caught.

I'd have to go back to the beginning of the PWCC debacle. But could swear Jeff made not just one or two, but numerous comments negatively towards Brent. Ahh, to be a criminal defense attorney in the good ol' USA.

He's still up to no good, witness his recent attempt to sell the altered T3 Cobb even after he knew it was tainted. Had the consignor not insisted it be taken down, he would have sold it to some unsuspecting collector.

Is he still going through with the tax avoidance vault?

I would presume so although I don't know if people are still comfortable sending cards to it.

Absolutely brilliant move by Brent and Betsy. They've bought the silence of one of their loudest critics, and likely the most powerful when it comes to connections with law enforcement.

So I am thinking of sending my collection to this vault in Oregon, what do you guys think?

I hope the pitchforks aim true. I would like to see repercussions as well as restitution.

Keep fighting the good fight BODA - the tide seems to be turning. Thanks again

I still don't understand how the vault thing works? There are still many auction companies that DONT charge tax that I win stuff from. So, whats the advantage?

I am not a tax lawyer, but if you buy from an AH that doesn't yet charge sales tax but ships to you, you still owe tax to your home state if it charges it. If the card is shipped to a state that doesn't charge sales tax such as Oregon, you may not owe tax to your home state at least at that point. Please correct me if I have this wrong.

Jay, I was totally joking. I will no longer bid or buy from PWCC, so the last thing I would do is send my cards to them! I guess my "joke" missed the mark. I just hope the pitchforks have better aim!

Don't forget the sarcasm font. ;)

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Good luck to everyone involved

Guys, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep discussions about me limited to my dealings with cards. I come to this board to discuss cards and nothing else in my life and it's an oasis for me in an otherwise stressful career for this reason.

If that's too much for some of you to handle, I'll no longer post about the hobby-related cases, etc. I'm involved in or respond to questions. I hope you can understand that I'm not going to make myself available to discuss these issues with you all while also having to deal with every idiot who posts about my other cases, etc.

Hopefully, Santa Claus will come down the chimney December 25th too.

It will all be swept under the rug don't worry.

BUSINESS
AS
USUAL.

Including recoloring, trimming and soaking in chemicals. Whatever it takes to keep PSA & PWCC in business with ZERO ramifications for their business plans to ALWAYS have new cards popping out of THIN AIR, just like they have been doing. You can count on it.

Agreed. You should not have to do that. Total BS.
They are water under the bridge....just like this one is.

It's already passed and over with now that you're on the case.

Like I said, It's just hard to swallow, maybe it's the Novocain

I think everyone understands you can no longer comment on this case on this forum. It’s just not going to stop everyone else from putting in their two cents.

As far as PWCC, Those that can afford upper echelon council have always retained such. That’s always been the American way too.

That's a fair request everyone should honor.

I'm not sure how this situation moves too far along without PWCC throwing PSA under the bus. Seems inevitable that your role is not only to defend PWCC, but establish the rules of how baseball cards are graded and authenticated. Can you divulge if PSA's attorney is cooperating with the FBI?

Let's be clear here, PWCC never encapsulated an altered card, PSA did. If PSA has deficiencies in detecting altered cards, that is not PWCC's fault, nor any other 1,000's of submitter's.

There are some very important precedence's that could be established from this case. Most of which, IMO, could be good for the industry. Your carrying a big torch here Jeff, and it appears you are prepared.

My only question would be, what took him so long?

Very interesting that a guy who thought all this was a ripoff, then decides to represent this guy who ripped off collectors. As a collector I would think you would have thought about what you are doing before taking the job of sticking collectors with their altered stinking cards. Disgrace.

I am sure Mr Lichtman will do what is best for the hobby and his client who was obviously used by less than honest card doctors.

I also mentioned the fact about lack of lawsuits and he was always criticizing my posts saying that means nothing and there was lots of harm done despite that and now im sure he will say that the situations sucks but people got their money back and issue is over..

Is this post a joke or what. Are you that naive?

I agree. If Brent listens and does everything Jeff tells him to do, this is an absolute masterstroke.

If Mr. Lichtman is required to choose a course of action that is in the best interest of his client but not in the best interest of the hobby, I am pretty confident I know which one he will choose.

And it's all PSA's fault, not his, don't forget. If PSA passes an altered card, it's no problem to sell it even if you altered it yourself or know that your consignor did.

Well in the end it will be good for the hobby because jeff will make enough on this case to buy plenty of more high value cards which is good for the hobby to see prices go up...

Since Brent by definition is good for the hobby, that conflict will never arise. :eek:

Ben is kidding.

That is so obvious I didn't think I would have to mention it.

I may have to bring my neighbor Susan C the professional restorer some cards to work on. If she can get them into higher grade slabs, which surely she can, I can sell them and sleep easy because it's all PSA's fault.

Well said.

fyp

If I'm following all of this correctly (you openly criticizing Brent and his actions then taking him - as his money - as a client), then it sounds like you should have thought about this request before shitting on your own doorstep.

If I have it wrong, by all means someone please correct me.

This is absolutely unbelievable, Mind boggling, staggering....What about all of the threads and posts bashing PWCC that he made? Now, he's Huigen's attorney?? Wow, only in America I guess....What a crock of hypocritical bull shit.....

I dont think its a big deal on that. He can do what he wants. In the real world he looks fine, more than fine actually. Sounds like can do big things actually with the hobby. I think many (not net54 posters but the people in the real world )would be envious of the job he will be doing. If he didnt take it there would of been TONS of others that would of wanted that job.

However, he loses just about every argument he says on net54 now with posters in the past given the hypocritical nature of all. Tough to know what he really believes

But if losing all arguments on net54 is the negative, the positive is the tons of money he will make and continue to buy cards most of us will never sniff and its just at the expense of being net54 bait..

Most people would choose the job and the money. Is net54 bait really that bad thing to be? Lots of people rather have the big money and the job..even if the job is stressful as he said....

Huigens is obviously doing this for two reasons- one, Lichtman's prowess as an attorney, and two, Lichtman's strong knowledge of the sports card trade. Having said that, can his public posts and tirades towards PWCC come back and haunt him in the end.....

The posts mean ZERO in the real world outside of net54 to me....he just looks bad on net54... for his case, zero impact..

Take a look at previous threads. Would you be surprised if they've already been scrubbed? One of the first things I would have done is go back and wipe out the record of me shit talking my client on an open forum....

I never looked to see if Jeff did go back and remove all his negative comments. I can guarantee more than one person has saved them for posterity.:)

You think? :rolleyes:

He has one client. And no obligation to do anything for the hobby.

obviously :d:d:d:d

total sellout period

Integrity, dignity, and hypocrisy be damned!

I wonder if Jeff would represent Joe Orlando down the line?

A big kudos to him for reaffirming the punchline of every lawyer joke every written.

Instead of speculating and insinuating why don't you actually look?

Here I'll help you since you don't seem capable of using the search function.

http://www.net54baseball.com/search....archid=1859639

Keep trying.
"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

It comes up with all his posts for me. Three straight times. Anyhow, search yourself, it's easy.

I'll get right on it.

Please report back how many posts he changed.

You're twisting my words, Peter...or at least reading them wrong. I never accused him of changing his posts. I never claimed to look, either.

Here, let's break it down fo you:
"Take a look at previous threads." I said look, because I hadn't.

"Would you be surprised if they've already been scrubbed?" I didn't say they were, I asked if anyone would surprised if they were....because someone in this hobby always seems to stoop lower than the next guy....it's like a race to f'ing sewer.

"One of the first things I would have done is go back and wipe out the record of me shit talking my client on an open forum...." - That just seems like a no-brainer to me.

You can put whatever hidden meaning you want between those lines.

I would be surprised if Jeff changed or deleted any posts....I will say that for him....

That's about the worst spin job I've ever seen. All you had to do was look, it would have taken less time than typing out a pointless post.

Great. Have a nice day.

It’s kind of how the lawyer thing works. I don’t think you’d want your lawyer to have some alternative agenda other that getting you the best defense possible.

Lots of people punching WELL above their weight these days.

Seems to me Brent screwed a lot of people for a lot of money. I think it's kind of cool that a fellow board member is now going to take a lot of money from him.

Joe Kemmett

An opinion in support of Jeff
 

I do not know Jeff personally, but have read many of his posts here. He has been a champion of the hobby. I believe if Brent was represented by a different attorney, he very well could have been advised to take different actions than refunding those who have purchased doctored cards. I presume Jeff thought about and is walking a bit of a fine line here. Facilitating both what is in his clients best legal interest while helping some people get restitution. I trust his practice and intention here.

I wonder who else is giving money to this victims restitution fund ?

Who is funding all the refunds ? Does PWCC have enough bread in their vault to cover the bad card ? Is PSA saying the cards are altered when returned to PWCC or is PWCC making that call ?

Is PSA be investigated ? I’m not taking up for anyone but geez how can PSA not be held somewhat responsible/..not criminally responsible but liable for negligence in grading thousand of these bad cards. That Cap Anson Peter previously posted from Blowout was Awful....originally Slabbed by PSA as Altered in MH then later a PSA 4 in PWCC ....idk it’s very depressing...more ugly cards each day discover by BO Detectives who along with Peter have done a great service.

When all litigation is over and adjudication rendered, will the bad cards in government evidence be returned to PSA to be removed from the Pop Report? if and when PSA deems them as altered ?

AGreed

Me too

I saw what you did there

A defense lawyer isn't the accused or a witness. The prosecution doesn't cross-examine the lawyer.

Though that Brent is apparently going to refund people beyond the statute of limitations indicates that he believes he's in deep shit.

Client's best interest? Restitution? Jeff really has you guys fooled. Y'all are so gullible.

You think Jeff gives a shit about his client's best interest? He was hooking up with his girlfriend during El Chapo's trial. Was that in his client's best interest?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/el-chapos...-client-report

If you really think Jeff gives a shit about restitution? Tell me what kind of restitution did El Chapo's victims get? Should I post some extremely graphic images as a reminder?

Please! What a crock of shit!

Can we try to refrain from personal attacks.

Truth hurts, huh?

Guess that’s a no.