Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

This thread is devoted to the mysterious AMERICAN BEAUTY T206 cards or the very elusive T205 AMERICAN BEAUTY cards.
It is interesting, that the T206 AB cards were cut narrower; but, not the T205 AB cards.

Anyone here want to venture a theory as to why T206 AB's were cut narrower ? And, it was not because the AB cigarette
packs were thinner. They were the standard American Tobacco Co. 10-cigarette pack.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...igpackt206.jpg ...... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ABt205b75x.jpg


In 2007, I started running several T206 surveys of the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame), AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame), an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards.
In June 2010, I tabulated the data and posted this thread. I'm confident this is a complete listing of all the T206 cards with these AMERICAN BEAUTY backs.
Link ...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=124927&page=5



.. Wider than usual AB 350 (frame) of which 190 subjects have been confirmed ........ Typical AB 350 (no frame) card of which 37 subjects have been confirmed ..

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...yjones50xa.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...jones50xab.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...lletts50xx.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...lletts50xb.jpg



..................... AB 460 card of which 74 subjects have been confirmed ....................

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Manning50x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nbeauty460.jpg


Hey guys, I currently have 56 cards of the 74 in the AB 460 sub-set. Any help in finding the following 18 cards is greatly appreciated............

BESCHER..........................DOYLE (portrait)..................SEYMOUR (portrait)
BRIDWELL........................JORDAN (bat)......................SMITH (Brooklyn)
CAMNITZ..........................MARQUARD......... ...............TINKER (bat on)
COBB (bat off)...................McGRAW (cap)....................TINKER (bat off)
CONROY (bat)...................McQUILLAN (bat).................WAGNER (bat on right)
CRAWFORD (bat)...............SCHLEI (portrait).................WILTSE (portrait)


So let's see lots your T205 or T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY cards and tell us of some of your experiences in acquiring these elusive gems.


Thanks to many Net54er's who participated in these AB surveys. And especially Barry Arnold, Bill Brown, Art Martineau, Scot Reader, Frank Wakefield, and Brian Weisner.


TED Z

My favorite T205/T206 back
 

Hi Ted,

American Beauty is my favorite back for the T205 and T206 sets. Unfortunately, I have just a few in my catcher collection.

I just have the one T205 American Beauty of Gabby Street which arrived today, and I have a Bresnahan (batting), Thomas, and Street (catching) in the T206 set. Bresnahan and Thomas have the framed 350 Subjects back, whereas, Gabby Street has a frameless 350 Subjects back.


Patrick

More T206s with American Beauty backs
 

Ted,

Here are the scans of the 2 other T206s with the framed 350 Subjects American Beauty backs.


Patrick

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7...73140e12_c.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7122/7...6961990e_c.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8291/7...62c5857e_c.jpghttp://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/7...cc31eef6_c.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7108/7...74368941_c.jpg

Ted,

I only have two and the Mullin I got from you.

My one and only which I recently picked up:

Might have overspent a bit, but a Green AB back of a HOF'er I couldnt resist


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...239/img489.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...239/img490.jpg

I believe you will see some T205's cut narrower as well, the Bresnahan above is notably narrower than the other T205 posted. I will post a few T205's tomorrow.

Here is one not shown yet.
JimB
http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblum...n%20AB350F.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblum...0AB%20305B.jpg

Haven't shown this in a while. Not a card, but related.

http://www.jimonym.com/3lot3-3.jpg

I will post of few

Here is my lone example...

Thanks,

AndyH

My only

BEAUTIFUL CARDS EVERYBODY!!

my keyboard is wet from drooling over this thread.

T206 ABs
 

My T206 American Beauties:

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/u...PSA-2-Good.jpg

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/u...Beauty-350.jpg

great cards
 

:)

love ab's! especially t206 ab no frames....460 my fav...:)

my only two:
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverh...t206tinker.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverh...206ford_AB.jpg

I had over 120 black and greens from grade A-6. Roughly 65% black and I believe around 80-85 uniques total. Wish I could upload pics. On the road traveling right now though.

AMERICAN BEAUTY cards
 

Hey Andrew

Would love to see some T205 AB's.


TED Z

AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (Frame) Matty
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...yab350x50x.jpg


TED Z

AB's
 

NIce cards, everyone! (and thanks for starting, Ted

Some Pirates:

T206 - 350

http://photos.imageevent.com/gspinf/...th%20Frame.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/gspinf/...ut%20Frame.jpg

and 460

http://photos.imageevent.com/gspinf/...20Subjects.jpg

T205 Black

http://photos.imageevent.com/gspinf/...e/AB-Black.jpg

and Green

http://photos.imageevent.com/gspinf/...e/AB-Green.jpg

Thanks Mike

And, I like your array of AB T205 & T206 Pirates.


TED Z

Received this yesterday.http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/...ack01Small.jpg

If you are going to have just one you couldn't ask for much better.

Only 4, but a decent mix.

Steve B
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8330 http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8332
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8331 http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8333

Beater McGraw
Noticeably thinner than all my other T205s.

<a href="http://s210.beta.photobucket.com/user/Tyjaycox/library/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/Tyjaycox/mcgrawab.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a>

ted
 

great thread.
i'm hoping that the 2 large trees are off your buildings by now and things are
back to normal a bit.

one of my favorite cards is the chase holding trophy ab 460 which you
held for awhile yourself!

all the best, ole friend
barry

Some narrow, some normal.

American Beauty
 

I have 111 in my collection. Here are a few of my favorites:

Attachment 78188

Attachment 78189

Attachment 78194

I cut down the two trees that hit our house; but, the damage to the garage roof, the gutter channels, and our sub-deck will require professionals to repair the mess.

Here's my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 Chase.....not as nice as yours; nevertheless, I'm happy with it. My AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set ranges from Fair to Excellent.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...60Chase75x.jpg


Best regards to you and Margaret,

TED Z

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards
 

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...herzchance.jpg


TED Z

More AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nnbradpelt.jpghttp://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...jburmcgraw.jpg


TED Z

Very cool!
JimB

Great cards everyone.

I Do have a question about the T205 AB's. I know they are either Black or Green back, but are they similar to the T206 Hindu Brown and Red? Whereas a card has either of the colors, but not both?

Thanks,
ChiSoxFan

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8339http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8338
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8337http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=8336

And, some more AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards
 

..http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...0duffyford.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...duffyfordb.jpg


TED Z

here's mine...

Yes that's correct

Wow, some very nice cards! Here's my meager contribution.

More & more AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards
 

Great stuff guys....let's continue this show.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...emeypfewil.jpg


TED Z

American beauty
 

Hey guys......now here is a real AMERICAN BEAUTY :)

Stay tuned....and, I will tell you of an interesting story regarding Marilyn, back in the early 1980's when Joe DiMaggio
was at a signing session.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...MONROEcard.jpg


Back to T205's and T206's......let's see some more of these pretty cards.


T-Rex TED

My Three AB's
 

Here are my only 3 examples.

T205 American Beauty Green
 

Picked up these two off Ebay. They didn't have scans of the backs and was pleased to get two green backs.

Just remember you can never pay to much for an AB.

One of my ABs
 

AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame) cards
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...yab350xx25.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...hewson50xb.jpg

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ejonhowtan.jpg

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...jonhowtanb.jpg


TED Z

My only AB Back
 

A pretty rough T205 card, but the only AB back I own.

So...here we are...some of my t205 America Beauty dups.

Joshua

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...icanbeauty.jpg

Green AB Day:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image834.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image835.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image242.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image241.jpg




Be well Brian

<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/my%20collection/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_5024.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/my%20collection/IMG_5024.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards from the 460-only Series
 

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...crdegehune.jpg



TED Z

Just some more AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, Factory #42 (Durham, NC) cards
 

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...hasmsttann.jpg


TED Z

Ted

Here is one of the few ABs that I own. I bought this one from your buddy Don F. when I was in Cooperstown. Nice wide borders for an AB 350 framed.


Jantz

Hey good buddy, I thought my Jonesy was a "fat" AB; but, your Lennox appears to be a standard width T206. How, did I miss that card....I usually go thru Don's T206
cards before the Cooperstown Show opens to the public.

Great get, Jantz.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...yjones50xa.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...jones50xab.jpg


TED Z

Some more AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards from the 460-only Series
 

a

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...kschlpayne.jpg


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ersheckard.jpg



TED Z

Some more AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards from the 350/460 Series
 

Only 29 subjects from the 60 subjects in the 350/460 Series are confirmed printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 backs.
On display here are 12 of these cards.



http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...williswilt.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...liswiltseb.jpg


....http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...hLajoie75x.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...Lajoie75xb.jpg


.http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ulloverall.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...lloverallb.jpg



http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...Lakenoball.jpg



TED Z

Waiting for the rest of the story on Monroe
 

Ted,

Let's here the rest of the story regarding Jumpin" Joe and Norma Jean.


Patrick

Joe DiMaggio / Marilyn Monroe story
 

Patrick ...... I am glad you asked


Circa 1982, the scene is a New York City BB card show, in which Joe DiMaggio was the signing guest. As many of you old-timers may remember,
show promoters would warn autograph seekers not to present any item for Joe D to sign with Marilyn Monroe on it.

Well, at this show a dealer presented Joe a framed photograph of Joe to sign. Joe recognized this photo and took apart the frame, Joe removed
the cardboard backing and unfolded the other half of this photo. And, sure enough there was a photo of Marilyn....with her real signature on it.
Joe tore up this entire dual photograph in front of this "shocked" dealer, who went berserk.
It's my understanding that Joe, subsequently, reimbursed the dealer for the value of the Marilyn Monroe autograph.

As former sportscaster, Mel Allen, in his distinctive Southern drawl would say........" How's about that ? "



http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...tjoedphoto.jpg



TED Z

AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame) cards
 

Only 37 subjects are confirmed printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame) backs. On display here are 6 of these cards.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...beWillNich.jpg

..http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...eWillNichb.jpg



http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...odgrass50x.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...dgrass50xb.jpg



TED Z

My only AB

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure
 

Hey guys,

There are 74 subjects that were printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (AB 460) advertisement. Currently, I
have 57 cards, so if you have any of the 17 cards listed here with AB 460 backs that you are willing to sell (or
trade), I would really appreciate it. Any condition (ungraded or graded) will do. Please contact me via email.....

tedzan11@comcast.net


BESCHER (hands above head)
BRIDWELL (portrait-cap)
CAMNITZ (hands above head)
COBB (bat off shoulder)
CRAWFORD (bat)
DOYLE (portrait)
JORDAN (bat)
MARQUARD (follow thru)
McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)
SCHLEI (portrait)
SEYMOUR (portrait)
SMITH (Brooklyn)
TINKER (bat off shoulder )
TINKER (bat on shoulder )
WAGNER (bat on right shoulder)
WILTSE (portrait-cap)


I am especially grateful to Drew Apoldite, Barry Arnold, Bill Brown, Craig Diamond, Joe Drouillard, Todd Marcum,
Frank Wakefield, and Brian Weisner for providing me some of the AB 460 cards in my set, since I started this
adventure 7-years ago.


TED Z

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

I acquired a few more cards for my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set since this thread was last posted. The most significant card is Mr. Cobb.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ffAB460x50.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...AB460x50bx.jpg



I still need these 13 cards to complete the AB 460 sub-set (comprising of 74 cards). Any help is really appreciated. Email.... tedzan11@comcast.net

BESCHER..........................McGRAW (cap)
BRIDWELL.........................McQUILLAN (bat) (Brooklyn)
CAMNITZ..........................SCHLEI (portrait)
CRAWFORD (bat)...............SEYMOUR (portrait)
DOYLE (portrait)................SMITH (Brooklyn)
JORDAN (bat)....................TINKER (bat off)
MARQUARD)..................... WAGNER (bat on right)
.......................................WILTSE (portrait-cap)


Hey guys......
This Cobb (front & back) is better looking than these fuzzy scans. My scanner produces great scans of RAW cards and PSA graded cards; but, the scans of SGC graded cards
are usually fuzzy. Does anyone else here have this same problem ?



TED Z

What a card Ted!!!

CCD sensor based scanners work best for slabbed cards (depth of field). It's likely yours has a CMOS type sensor (great for raw and shallow depth items)

Chris

My scanner is a relatively inexpensive one; therefore, you are probably right that it is CMOS based. The scanners with CCD technology are more expensive.

In any event, what I don't understand is that I get clear scans of PSA graded cards....but, the SGC graded cards are usually fuzzy. What is the difference
between the plastic used by PSA vs. the plastic that SGC uses ?


TED Z

Ted
 

Don't know much about scanners but I absolutely know that your Cobb
is gorgeous.
Congrats on a top shelf acquisition.
all the best,ole buddy
barry

here's mine:D

Ted, Thats an incredible looking Ty Cobb. I'm only 22 cards into the same set and even though I don't have any duplicates to trade, none of my 22 are on your want list. The scanner I use is around 10+ years old and does all scans nice and clear including raw, PSA, SGC, even coins raw and slabed. It's a flatbed Umax Astra 3400 running on Windows XP. It took some time getting it to work since the latest driver is for Windows ME. Not all the options work like auto on and off because of the driver but the scan features all work. I'd like to get a new scanner but afraid of the problem your running into with certain types of scans being fuzzy. Anyways, good luck on the final 15 and congrats on the first 60.

My only AB in either set..

Ted,
Big congrats on that Cobb! As you know, that is a VERY tough card!
JimB

Great card Ian ;)

Thanks. It's like the 5th Duffy in this thread, but I had to represent with sumpin!

HOLY HELL .... YOU WIN :eek:
that Cobb is beautiful. If you ever sell it PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know.
Also, no I dont have the scanner problem and I am not sure why you are having it .... that is weird. Have you tried playing around with your scanner settings? That is a strange thing right there.

Anyways .... the Cobb is wonderful Ted. Thank you so much for sharing.

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

Hey guys,

Thanks for the compliments regarding the AB 460 Cobb. I have to thank Jay Miller, who remembered me regarding this AB 460 Cobb.


Speaking about AB 460 cards, since I bumped up this thread, I have received two emails regarding deals on acquiring AB 460 cards
for my sub-set.

As Jackie Gleason (The Honeymooners) used to say....Net54er's...."you're the greatest" !

I really appreciate all your responses,


TED Z

Factory 42's
 

that Cobb is NICE!

here is my 460 with a couple other factory 42's - The birds!

Cliff

Attachment 88104
Attachment 88105

American Beauty
 

One of my favorite Studio Dead albums:D

Attachment 88108

ahhhh you merry prankster you :)

Steve, I love how without much effort, it can be read as American Reality:)

Thanks Ron

Good luck with this AB challenge. You'll find out that a dozen AB 460 subjects [Crandall, Devore, Duffy, Ford, Gandil, Geyer, Hummel, McGraw (glove), Pfeffer, Sheckard,
Tannehill, Wheat] are considerably more available than others from the 460-Only series. These guys must have been Double-Printed, or perhaps Triple-Printed.

And, I would say that mostly all the 28 subjects from the 350/460 series with AB 460 backs are quite tough to find.


TED Z

Show off your AMERICAN BEAUTY's....T205's and/or T206's
 

I acquired a few more of these elusive AB 460 gems from Net54er's....you guys are the greatest....63 is my count now.

So, I still need these 11 cards to complete this AB 460 sub-set (comprising of 74 cards). Any help is really appreciated.
Email me directly...... tedzan11@comcast.net


CAMNITZ (hands above head)
CRAWFORD (bat)
DOYLE (portrait)
JORDAN (bat)
MARQUARD (follow thru)
McGRAW (portrait-cap)
Mc QUILLAN (bat)
SCHLEI (portrait)
SEYMOUR (portrait)
TINKER (bat off shoulder)
WILTSE (portrait-cap)


Recent acquisitions..........
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3f0ae678.jpg . http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps64c3b5fe.jpg . http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0f3c287e.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6a4271c.jpg . .http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9b36a1ee.jpg . http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6b5fdcd2.jpg

Thanks Adam, Kenny, and Pete


Hey guys, anymore T205 or T206 AB's ? Why not show them off ?



TED Z