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tazdmb 08-01-2014 06:36 AM

August Autograph Pickups
 
Just got back from the National. It is true, if you can't find it at the national, it doesn't exist. It is also probably true-don't go to the National expecting to find a deal. Saw some beauties there including autographs of Oscar Charleston, Willie Keeler and Frank Chance-none of whom I could afford. However, did manage to pick this up

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps2d54b4ca.jpg

Hopefully, he will get elected next year.

jgmp123 08-01-2014 06:50 AM

Very nice!

dog*dirt 08-01-2014 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tazdmb (Post 1304608)
Just got back from the National. It is true, if you can't find it at the national, it doesn't exist. It is also probably true-don't go to the National expecting to find a deal. Saw some beauties there including autographs of Oscar Charleston, Willie Keeler and Frank Chance-none of whom I could afford. However, did manage to pick this up

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps2d54b4ca.jpg

Hopefully, he will get elected next year.

Nice pick up, I also think he will get in next year.

HexsHeroes 08-01-2014 08:43 AM

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tazdmb . . .
Nice pickup. If I may ask, which dealer did you pick it up from ?

Was still negotiating with my boss (my wife) to sneak away for a day to
attend the National this year, but then I noted that autograph dealer
Ron Gordon (Las Cruces, NM) was not listed among the dealers setting up.
Since Ron has consistantly come through for me at the National Show, with
at least one item on my want list, it seems less necessary to attend. It is still
a wonderous place to spend a day, but a much harder sell to the Mrs.

tazdmb 08-01-2014 08:52 AM

I got if from Kevin Keating after searching for 2 years. I knew Kevin had it, but tried to find it cheaper from somewhere else-to no avail. I will say that Kevin did work with me, but he knows exactly what he has and charges with that in mind.

You can always do what I did to get the wife's permission-not tell her ;)

I live near Detroit, so was able to get there and back in a day.

HOF Auto Rookies 08-01-2014 10:40 AM

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I literally scooped up this Marquard within 10 minutes of being listed. I just could not let this beauty go, and now have two of this pose.

The Cuyler is a good filler until I get a signed '33 of his and the Frisch predates my PB I have of his.

T206Collector 08-01-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies (Post 1304699)
I literally scooped up this Marquard within 10 minutes of being listed. I just could not let this beauty go, and now have two of this pose.

Nice grab!

HOF Auto Rookies 08-01-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector (Post 1304704)
Nice grab!

Thanks! Had to beat you :)

T206Collector 08-01-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies (Post 1304706)
Thanks! Had to beat you :)

At that asking price, you always will. ;)

HOF Auto Rookies 08-01-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector (Post 1304739)
At that asking price, you always will. ;)


Signed HOF T206 graded out to a 4, I'll take that all day :)

theshleps 08-01-2014 05:37 PM

T206
 
Congrats Brent. If I may how much was it?

yanks12025 08-01-2014 09:43 PM

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Got these two tonight. The baseball was a ball pitched to jeter on July 8th. Bought that Tuesday in Cleveland and was able to get jeter to sign it tonight.

He also signed my cervelli jersey from jeters 3000 hit game.

tazdmb 08-02-2014 05:21 AM

Wow, how crazy was it trying to get Jeter to sign it?

yanks12025 08-02-2014 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tazdmb (Post 1304997)
Wow, how crazy was it trying to get Jeter to sign it?

Lots of people trying to get him.

gregr2 08-02-2014 11:04 AM

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Made a purchase from Dave at daves_resale_shop and he threw in some extra goodies. I really like this one:

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HOF Auto Rookies 08-02-2014 12:36 PM

That Trucks piece is unreal! Wow, I may have to change my focus lol

HOF Auto Rookies 08-02-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by theshleps (Post 1304859)
Congrats Brent. If I may how much was it?


Here's the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251595021771

t206blogcom 08-03-2014 09:21 AM

Nationals
 
Had a productive day at Nats Park on Saturday before they slaughtered the Phillies 11-0. :D

Left to right, top to bottom:

Tyler Clippard, Danny Espinosa, Scott Hairston, Anthony Rendon, Asdrupal Cabrera, Wilson Ramos, Danny Espinosa (again), Drew Storen, Tyler Clippard (again), former player/announcer F.P. Santangelo.

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/u...ust-2-2014.jpg

gregr2 08-03-2014 09:23 AM

Nice haul ^^^^^

Cfern023 08-03-2014 05:54 PM

Did Jeter stop and sign outside the park?

Did he sign for everyone?

Really curious, I kinda want to make the trip to Tampa and try in a week.

jgmp123 08-07-2014 08:19 PM

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Some recent pickups from Dave's Resale Shop...Thanks again David! I can't wait to get the Eleanor!!

daves_resale_shop 08-07-2014 09:04 PM

And Thanks to JGMP!!!
 
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He was kind enough to trade me this wags, had my framer rework it this afternoon & got the finished product back..

39special 08-08-2014 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop (Post 1307465)
He was kind enough to trade me this wags, had my framer rework it this afternoon & got the finished product back..

Wow Dave that looks great!

GrayGhost 08-08-2014 02:24 PM

Wags envelope looks great, esp w the original photo and orig T206..hehe.

J did another awesome job, seems like one of those deals when both made out well

Klrdds 08-08-2014 03:14 PM

Dave,
I have seen your stuff on here for awhile and it is as impressive as it is artistically framed and appealing. You and your framer do a good job.

daves_resale_shop 08-08-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Klrdds (Post 1307732)
Dave,
I have seen your stuff on here for awhile and it is as impressive as it is artistically framed and appealing. You and your framer do a good job.

I appreciate the kind words! but frankly, I can't take any credit... I have been working with Jason at Framer's Edge for about 3 years now... he's friendly, provides good value, and does great work... I am tremendously lucky to have a guy like him in my corner!

daves_resale_shop 08-08-2014 05:02 PM

Joe D. 1936 Album Page
 
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Got this really neat 1936 Album page with a rookie Joe Dimaggio on it...

The Ted Kleinhaus signature helps date the page to 1936 (Only year with the Yanks)...

What I find to be real interesting about this one is that it has a bold (almost spiteful) E.V. Doc Painter signature directly below Joe's...

[ATTACHAttachment 155863[/ATTACH]Joe apparently sprained his ankle in the preseason... Doc was the team trainer and an early adopter of progressive rehabilitation techniques...

Rather than Icing Joe's sprain, he stuck his leg in a diathermy machine which gave Joe 1 st degree burns on much of his ankle and foot... As a result he was out nearly a month and didn't make his debut until May 1936...

Striking that these guys would be on the same page, never mind right next to each other

GrayGhost 08-09-2014 09:00 PM

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Shouldn't have since Im dead broke, but don't care. Loved it because its VINTAGE, not the "card show special"

Busted it out of frame and mat that made it look "weird" under a scan...

gregr2 08-11-2014 04:42 PM

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Long and interesting career of Dave Danforth

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9ea2e3b9

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parker1b2 08-11-2014 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gregr2 (Post 1308954)

Great read and nce auto!!

earlywynnfan 08-11-2014 09:05 PM

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Thought this was going too cheap, and I don't have a Barrow in my collection, so I got it.
Ken

gregr2 08-12-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1309113)
Thought this was going too cheap, and I don't have a Barrow in my collection, so I got it.
Ken

I was going to grab that one but completely forgot about it! Congrats!

Nappy1525 08-12-2014 10:05 AM

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Picked up this signed Joe dimaggio mickey mantle whitey ford yogi Berra and Catfish hunter signed baseball at an auction.

gregr2 08-13-2014 04:55 PM

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Happy to pick this one up.

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theshleps 08-14-2014 04:22 PM

Willie Foster
 
Just got Willie Foster tho my scanner is down. Front page from the Bible with the 4 sigs. Puts me at 245 plus one set of initials (Effa Manley). Does that count? Miller Huggins should be on the way too. The rest are way above what I want to pay if they ever come up except for Turkey Stearnes
Passion though is signed cards and may be willing to trade Hanlon or Cooper for some amazing signed vintage HOFers on cards.

tazdmb 08-14-2014 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by theshleps (Post 1310198)
Just got Willie Foster tho my scanner is down. Front page from the Bible with the 4 sigs. Puts me at 245 plus one set of initials (Effa Manley). Does that count? Miller Huggins should be on the way too. The rest are way above what I want to pay if they ever come up except for Turkey Stearnes
Passion though is signed cards and may be willing to trade Hanlon or Cooper for some amazing signed vintage HOFers on cards.

Glad to see three deserving members, myself included, all got to add Bill Foster to their collection. Personally, I wouldn't count the Effa, but that is just my opinion. Good luck on getting Stearnes , as he tends to pops up once a year.

mighty bombjack 08-14-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theshleps (Post 1310198)
Just got Willie Foster tho my scanner is down. Front page from the Bible with the 4 sigs. Puts me at 245 plus one set of initials (Effa Manley). Does that count? Miller Huggins should be on the way too. The rest are way above what I want to pay if they ever come up except for Turkey Stearnes
Passion though is signed cards and may be willing to trade Hanlon or Cooper for some amazing signed vintage HOFers on cards.

Wow, that is an impressive number. I am jealous of the Huggins, as I still need him myself. Be sure to post it when it comes in.

jgmp123 08-15-2014 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theshleps (Post 1310198)
Just got Willie Foster tho my scanner is down. Front page from the Bible with the 4 sigs. Puts me at 245 plus one set of initials (Effa Manley). Does that count? Miller Huggins should be on the way too. The rest are way above what I want to pay if they ever come up except for Turkey Stearnes
Passion though is signed cards and may be willing to trade Hanlon or Cooper for some amazing signed vintage HOFers on cards.

Nice work Michael! Glad to hear the other Foster ended up in a great collection.

Runscott 08-15-2014 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 1309113)
Thought this was going too cheap, and I don't have a Barrow in my collection, so I got it.
Ken

Nice pick-up, Ken. Also, thanks for stopping by at the National - it was great to meet you!

whyconform 08-15-2014 11:24 AM

Since I didn't want to spend a fortune on Foster myself, I have the last piece of the bible where Foster writes his son and wife's name, his son, also William foster, just has as diff. middle initial. l guess it's a technical issue when it comes to 'his' auto or not, but he pens William Foster, and for the price, it's good enough for me. Picked up Comiskey so I'm at 229. I'm pretty much done where I sit unless something incredible comes up.

tazdmb 08-15-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by whyconform (Post 1310436)
Since I didn't want to spend a fortune on Foster myself, I have the last piece of the bible where Foster writes his son and wife's name, his son, also William foster, just has as diff. middle initial. l guess it's a technical issue when it comes to 'his' auto or not, but he pens William Foster, and for the price, it's good enough for me. Picked up Comiskey so I'm at 229. I'm pretty much done where I sit unless something incredible comes up.

Since you are "done" why not not update your website :D

SikSyko 08-15-2014 09:01 PM

The DiMaggio and Koufax are both JSA. The Mantle looks better then the scan. Yes I know PSA & JSA does not guarantee that they are real, but the person I picked them up from I trust.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps5b14ddf4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps13622a56.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psb398dce1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps3c91093d.jpg

mighty bombjack 08-17-2014 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whyconform (Post 1310436)
Since I didn't want to spend a fortune on Foster myself, I have the last piece of the bible where Foster writes his son and wife's name, his son, also William foster, just has as diff. middle initial. l guess it's a technical issue when it comes to 'his' auto or not, but he pens William Foster, and for the price, it's good enough for me. Picked up Comiskey so I'm at 229. I'm pretty much done where I sit unless something incredible comes up.

I hear you there, man. I have been at 240 for a long time and, given my current employment situation, I'm most likely done myself. It is very hard to move on from numbers like these!

tazdmb 08-18-2014 07:33 AM

#222 and #223-Like others, this may be it for a while.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps26631c83.jpg

jgmp123 08-18-2014 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tazdmb (Post 1311520)
#222 and #223-Like others, this may be it for a while.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps26631c83.jpg

Beautiful!

theshleps 08-18-2014 05:53 PM

3 autos
 
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Great win win trade with Jason.

Excuse the glare in the pictures

Lordstan 08-18-2014 06:37 PM

Michael,
Wow. That is a great grouping. I have to wonder what Jason got in return. It must have been something special.
Best,
Mark

Scott Garner 08-18-2014 07:43 PM

Multi-signed vintage no-hit pitcher ball
 
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I just picked up a neat multi-signed ball featuring 11 vintage no-hit pitchers (8 are deceased). The pitchers that signed are:

Rex Barney (SS)- D
Johnny "Double No-Hit" Vander Meer (D)- 2 no-hitters
Ewell "The Whip" Blackwell (D)
Bob "Rapid Robert" Feller (HOF-D)- 3 no-hitters
Warren Spahn (HOF)- 2 no-hitters
John "The Count" Montefusco
Allie "Super Chief" Reynolds (D)- 2 no-hitters
Gaylord Perry (HOF)
Jim Maloney- 2 no-hitters plus an "unofficial" no-hitter
Mel Parnell (D)
Bob Lemon (HOF-D)

Cost of the ball including shipping = less than $77! Such a deal! :cool:
The sigs are all dark and crisp now that I have it in hand....

Runscott 08-18-2014 07:46 PM

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dgo71 08-20-2014 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Garner (Post 1311808)
Rex Barney (SS)- D

I cannot think of Rex without hearing him announcing O's games at old Memorial Stadium. I always loved his tagline "Give that fan a contract!" when someone made a nice grab of a foul ball. When the O's were especially awful in the late 80s my friend and I would joke that it couldn't hurt to let the fan at least try out.

Scott Garner 08-21-2014 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dgo71 (Post 1312591)
I cannot think of Rex without hearing him announcing O's games at old Memorial Stadium. I always loved his tagline "Give that fan a contract!" when someone made a nice grab of a foul ball. When the O's were especially awful in the late 80s my friend and I would joke that it couldn't hurt to let the fan at least try out.

You couldd'a been a contenda! :)

Very true, that 1988 season was brutal for the O's... I forget how many games that they lost in a row, but it was amazing. I was on a business trip to Las Vegas and I remember thinking every day that maybe I should place a bet for them to win, but every dy they continued to lose. Some teams are just plain BAD! ;)

BTW, I never heard Rex Barney behind the mike that I recall, but I understand he was a solid broadcaster. He was considered to be quite a fireballing prospect when he first came up to the majors, but he, like many fastball pitchers, lacked the control to be successful. He did capture lightning in a bottle on September 9, 1948 when he hurled a no-hitter against the NY Giants, prevailing 2-0. Here are two ticket stubs to Barney's 1948 no-hitter from my personal collection.

mschwade 08-21-2014 06:59 AM

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1080/1577862.JPG

So this is a ticket stub from last night's game that I got signed by Columbus Clippers shortstop Francisco Lindor. Lindor, was the 8th selection in the 2011 draft, and won't turn 21 until November 24th.

Why I wanted to post this... Two things...

Unprepared for this
Lindor was the only one signing and he was working his way to the dugout of about 10 fans after warming up minutes before first pitch. He got to me, maybe the 4th person and I had an index card. He looked at me and said "I can't sign that, I can't sign on white." I've heard of some agents advising their clients/athletes not to sign index cards because of the risk of fraud (I previously wrote about that here).

While I know it's not his fault, he's been advised by his agent so he's listening to what he's told, I was caught off guard and a little unprepared as I had nothing else for him to sign at the moment. Luckily our seats were in the second row so I didn't have far to run, but I had to think quick what else I had.

Making it right
I picked up my sons hat off his head. Nope navy blue, even under the bill was navy blue, that won't work. Light bulb goes off. Ticket Stub! "You have our ticket stubs?" I asked my wife and mom. My mom hands me a ticket. Lindor was somewhat paying attention to me and with him finishing up the 10th person, he came back to me and signed my ticket stub for me (above).

So while I was a little bit flustered he wouldn't sign my index card for me, I wanted to give him props for coming back and making sure he signed an item that I found that he could sign (per his agent).

Glad to add his signature because I think he's the Indians shortstop next opening day and I expect him to get called up on September 1st.

Later in the game with the Mud Hens threatening, Lindor made a hell of a play in the field to end the inning and my son got thrown the ball so that was pretty cool as well.

Here's a recent article on Francisco Lindor from MLB.com: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cle/...&vkey=news_cle

Scott Garner 08-21-2014 08:33 AM

Neat story, Matt! Thanks for sharing.

BTW, I noticed that all-time IL HR leader Mike Hessman (Mud Hens) went yard again in last night's game (26th HR this season even with trips to the DL).

theshleps 08-21-2014 08:45 AM

signing on white
 
Starting a few years back some players won't sign index cards. That is why people bring custom generic cards with light backgrounds of colors and baseball scenes and some won't even sign those

Klrdds 08-22-2014 08:58 PM

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Four additions to my collection this month:
1. A full name check of Monford (Monte) Irvin
2. A TLS with a full name signature of Osborne (Ozzie) Smith on his company's letterhead. I have never seen a letter let alone a full name signature before for him, so I had to pick this up.
3. A TLS of Hank Greenberg on Indians letterhead, Not too hard to find, but one had been on my list for a while.
4. A HNS of Ed Barrow. Again not hard to find, but a nice addition to go along with my Barrow TLS on Yankees letterhead. Interestingly, I remember when this item was last auctioned and I was the under- bidder. Everything always comes around again eventually it seems like in this hobby.

Scott Garner 08-23-2014 05:05 AM

Nice pickups, Kevin!

Klrdds 08-23-2014 07:30 AM

Thank You Scott

tazdmb 08-23-2014 11:50 AM

Very nice, as usual

Klrdds 08-23-2014 02:39 PM

Thanks taz,
Personally, I like the Francisco Lindor autographed ticket and the story behind it. They will remember that forever, sometimes that is much rarer and more valuable than buying an autograph.

daves_resale_shop 08-25-2014 02:03 AM

Walter johnson
 
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Pretty excited to unexpectedly add this one to the collection!
1931 who's who album page (made a slight mistake here... the photo is actually from a 1933 who's who Book)

GrayGhost 08-25-2014 05:40 AM

Why unexpected? u get lucky more times than anyone I've ever seen. Nice

jgmp123 08-25-2014 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop (Post 1314042)
Pretty excited to unexpectedly add this one to the collection!
1931 who's who album page

Whoa Dave! Nice!!

jgmp123 08-25-2014 08:21 AM

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Happy to add these 1919 Sox signatures this week...

Ed Cicotte
Harry "Nemo" Leibold
Grover Lowdermilk
Chick Gandil

Mr. Zipper 08-25-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by theshleps (Post 1312664)
Starting a few years back some players won't sign index cards. That is why people bring custom generic cards with light backgrounds of colors and baseball scenes and some won't even sign those

So absurd. What color do they think a ball is? It would be just as easy to photoshop a signature off a white ball as an index card. Or anyone even slightly skilled in Photoshop can easily remove a background. WHat do they think is going to happen? Someone photoshopping signatures onto checks? Are there any cases of this actually happening?

David Atkatz 08-25-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper (Post 1314112)
So absurd. What color do they think a ball is? It would be just as easy to photoshop a signature off a white ball as an index card. Or anyone even slightly skilled in Photoshop can easily remove a background. WHat do they think is going to happen? Someone photoshopping signatures onto checks? Are there any cases of this actually happening?

Since when have professional ballplayers been the sharpest tools in the shed?

Besides, these days players treat "autographs" and "signatures" as two quite different things. An autograph is a highly stylized, completely illegible glyph which they think looks cool. A signature is their actual name, is (at least somewhat) legible, and is used on legal documents.

So what the hell are they worried about?

theshleps 08-25-2014 12:23 PM

4 new acquisitions
 
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daves_resale_shop 08-25-2014 12:31 PM

Walter Johnson-Now Framed
 
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Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop (Post 1314042)
Pretty excited to unexpectedly add this one to the collection!
1931 who's who album page

My framer (and Friend) turned this one around quick for me... I figured I'd share the finished product...

Klrdds 08-25-2014 01:10 PM

David,
I completely agree and could not have said it better.

Lordstan 08-25-2014 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop (Post 1314195)
My framer (and Friend) turned this one around quick for me... I figured I'd share the finished product...

Nice Dave.
How big is it?

Lordstan 08-25-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by theshleps (Post 1314193)
been working for 10 years to purchase these from a friend. Finally succeededAttachment 157938

HOLY COW!! Nice. You've had some really nice additions recently.

theshleps 08-25-2014 05:29 PM

2 more
 
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These aren't August acquisitions but am taking them to my safe deposit box
The Dodgers card I've had for a long time. Bad contrast but signed by Jackie Robinson, Koufax, Hodges, Gilliam, Snider, Spooner, Hoak, Alston, Amoros. Have some for some other teams too (not Yankees) but this oe is the bestAttachment 157992

parker1b2 08-25-2014 05:40 PM

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Picked up a Maddux Southland Plastics statue as an addition to my HOF auto collection.

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Jasonxmay 08-26-2014 06:52 PM

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This was my end of the win-win trade the Michael mentioned a few pages back.

tazdmb 08-26-2014 07:45 PM

That is some trade! Congrats to both.

rschisler 08-26-2014 08:20 PM

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Happy to finally pick up my first Joe D. 132 HOFers and counting... A long ways to go to catch up to most of you guys!

gregr2 08-27-2014 06:00 PM

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daves_resale_shop 08-28-2014 05:16 PM

George Sisler
 
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Not a pickup from this month, but just got it back from the framer & thought I would share

Klrdds 08-28-2014 06:01 PM

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End the month on a good note.
1.A 1931 GPC signed by Bill Terry. It is the earliest single signed Terry item I have seen, signed at Spring Training March 1931. All of my others are from the 60s, 70s and early 80s.
2. The 1919 Cleveland Indians Team Signed Baseball from Heritage Auctions at The National. I purchased it to get the Ray Chapman signature. I have looked for a Chapman signature for 20 + years and have see none. I have seen this ball sold twice before and figured bid on it and the third time might be lucky. So this is my Chapman until a flat item comes my way.
Happy Collecting.

David Atkatz 08-28-2014 06:35 PM

Nice pickup on the Chapman!


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