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ullmandds 01-22-2015 08:15 AM

Guess the grade and explain why?!
 
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Sorry for the small scan...its the best I can do here at work.

I have consigned my T206 Phillippe "no name" card to REA for their spring blockbuster auction.

In the past I have contacted both SGC and PSA to determine if they would grade this card...and if so...how...with frustrating results!

This card is back from PSA. So what did it grade?

Any guesses?

Sophiedog 01-22-2015 08:19 AM

Authentic?

j_cook 01-22-2015 08:22 AM

If that's a surface wrinkle on the front, I'd say a 2? Assuming they deemed it authentic.

bwbc917 01-22-2015 08:23 AM

grade
 
If there is no paper loss it came back at 2.5

sycks22 01-22-2015 08:24 AM

I'm going with Authentic

Bigb13 01-22-2015 08:25 AM

Looks VG to me as long as back is ok

ullmandds 01-22-2015 08:28 AM

back is fine...that IS a surface wrinkle vertically on lower front.

packs 01-22-2015 08:30 AM

Looks like a 1.5 to me with the miscut, crease, and corner wear.

ullmandds 01-22-2015 08:31 AM

Packs...I am not a student of the nuances of grading...why do you say this is miscut?

gregr2 01-22-2015 08:31 AM

Corner wear and crease, my guess is 1.

vintagetoppsguy 01-22-2015 08:32 AM

PSA 1.5 (I think I see a verticle crease in the bottom middle that goes about half way up the card).

btcarfagno 01-22-2015 08:33 AM

I would say a 2. Corners and wrinkle being the reason. I have certainly seen worse 2's, but that would be my guess.

Tom C

packs 01-22-2015 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1370090)
Packs...I am not a student of the nuances of grading...why do you say this is miscut?

I can't tell if it's off center or miscut from the scan. The tiny top border and huge bottom border say miscut to me. It also looks like the bottom border has an angle to it.

Jobu 01-22-2015 08:35 AM

I say 2.0. My question is whether they added "No name on front" or something similar to the flip. My guess is that PSA wouldn't have done that though I have seen it on a SGC flip.

Cozumeleno 01-22-2015 08:50 AM

I'd go with 1.5 - the crease/wrinkle looks fairly large to me, centering, rounded corners. For me, that makes it 'Fair'.

ullmandds 01-22-2015 08:50 AM

keep em coming...no one is correct yet.

asoriano 01-22-2015 08:54 AM

Does the card have a qualifier of some sort?

vintagetoppsguy 01-22-2015 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1370105)
keep em coming...no one is correct yet.

Oh, wait. You said PSA graded it. Then I'm changing my guess to a 3 thinking they missed that big crease. :D

nolemmings 01-22-2015 08:56 AM

Rejected--altered.

ullmandds 01-22-2015 09:00 AM

there will be no hints.

iwantitiwinit 01-22-2015 09:00 AM

2

ullmandds 01-22-2015 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolemmings (Post 1370109)
Rejected--altered.

i'm shocked it's taken this long for someone to guess this!!!!

asoriano 01-22-2015 09:01 AM

Psa 2 (pd)

ullmandds 01-22-2015 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asoriano (Post 1370115)
Psa 2 (pd)

what is pd?

vthobby 01-22-2015 09:03 AM

3.5
 
3.5

iwantitiwinit 01-22-2015 09:04 AM

2 (mk). Possibly because they think there is some erasure?

frankbmd 01-22-2015 09:27 AM

1

bn2cardz 01-22-2015 09:34 AM

3.5
Because I didn't see it guessed yet, and I have seen some graded this high with the same condition issues.

4815162342 01-22-2015 09:57 AM

Pete, my guess is 3 NNOF.

freakhappy 01-22-2015 10:02 AM

9


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ullmandds 01-22-2015 10:07 AM

And you guys aspire to be "professional" graders someday!!!!!!

EvilKing00 01-22-2015 10:11 AM

id grade it a 2 as long as the back is fine, but since you said its not a 2 maybe would psa really grade it 3.5?

wolf441 01-22-2015 10:15 AM

A (SCRAP) :eek:

Leon 01-22-2015 10:23 AM

3

ullmandds 01-22-2015 10:28 AM

i wish a lot of you guys "were" professional graders!!!!!!

Leon 01-22-2015 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1370162)
i wish a lot of you guys "were" professional graders!!!!!!

ok then....they said it was COU - Counterfeit?

Bigb13 01-22-2015 10:31 AM

I give up what is it?

freakhappy 01-22-2015 10:35 AM

My initial guess was a 2, but since a few people already guessed that, I bumped it up a few grades ;)

I'm stumped too...what it be?


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D.P.Johnson 01-22-2015 10:43 AM

My guess is they didn't grade it because they were unable to determine its authenticity...

ullmandds 01-22-2015 10:45 AM

giving up is not an option...if you were a "professional" TPGrader could u just "give up?" I think not! Keep guessing dammit!

jcmtiger 01-22-2015 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson (Post 1370171)
My guess is they didn't grade it because they were unable to determine its authenticity...

Me too!!

Joe

edhans 01-22-2015 10:51 AM

Re: Guess the grade and explain why?!
 
Authentic-Altered? Because they couldn't determine if the caption was artificially removed.

asoriano 01-22-2015 10:56 AM

Authentic - Printing Incomplete (Front)

freakhappy 01-22-2015 11:00 AM

1(mk)


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larrie804 01-22-2015 11:01 AM

Guess the grade?!
 
Trimmed?

Leon 01-22-2015 11:09 AM

ok I guess that they didn't know what it is and sent it to SGC.....is that it?

slipk1068 01-22-2015 11:12 AM

Does PSA label cards "missing color" the way SGC does?

PSA 3 color variation

Sophiedog 01-22-2015 11:12 AM

They returned the card saying they don't grade such cards

wolf441 01-22-2015 11:14 AM

PSA 2 Player Unidentified

ullmandds 01-22-2015 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1370186)
ok I guess that they didn't know what it is and sent it to SGC.....is that it?

ding ding ding!!!!!!!!! good guess Leon...but NO!!!

ullmandds 01-22-2015 11:21 AM

lots of good guesses so far guys...and some not so good ones too!!!!!:D Still no winner though!


Apparently with our hundreds of years of vintage card experience...and that's just Frank...we are not qualified to be "professional" graders!

Mikehealer 01-22-2015 11:31 AM

8.5
nm/mt+

Fred 01-22-2015 11:36 AM

Authentic because PSA indicates someone altered the card by removing the name text.

2 because of the rounded corners and small surface crease.

Cool card.

Sean 01-22-2015 11:36 AM

Authentic (Altered)

t206blogcom 01-22-2015 11:37 AM

8 oc

Leon 01-22-2015 11:40 AM

My last guess because I don't see it listed (could have missed it).

PSA 2.5

ps...looks like post #4 already guessed it, I give up. :)

freakhappy 01-22-2015 11:42 AM

rejected for min size or...

you came to your senses and never sent it in to PSA :p

ullmandds 01-22-2015 11:44 AM

still no 100% correct answer yet...a few are very close! No former PSA graders here who can offer their expertise?

ullmandds 01-22-2015 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freakhappy (Post 1370212)
rejected for min size or...

you came to your senses and never sent it in to PSA :p

or rejected for maximum size????

freakhappy 01-22-2015 11:48 AM

authentic missing ink

tiger8mush 01-22-2015 11:48 AM

.5

Must've been deemed at least authentic, cuz I can't imagine REA would put a $10 card with an erased name in their auction. So it must be unaltered. And everything from 1 thru 3.5 has been guessed already

ullmandds 01-22-2015 11:53 AM

the frustration is palpable friends! the frustration many of us feel upon finding out what grades our cards received upon arrival from the graders.

ullmandds 01-22-2015 11:54 AM

thanks to everyone for keeping me entertained throughout my morning...hint hint hint...there is a qualifier.

freakhappy 01-22-2015 11:56 AM

3(mk)

D.P.Johnson 01-22-2015 11:58 AM

The flip indicates it's authentic but incorrectly names the player as Jay Leno because of his large chin???

ullmandds 01-22-2015 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson (Post 1370229)
The flip indicates it's authentic but incorrectly names the player as Jay Leno because of his large chin???

good one! A for creativity!

Eric72 01-22-2015 12:02 PM

1 (oc)

Peter_Spaeth 01-22-2015 12:05 PM

3 (pd)

Jobu 01-22-2015 12:07 PM

Staying with 2.0 but adding an OC --- 2.0 (OC).

tiger8mush 01-22-2015 12:10 PM

1 (pd)
1.5 (pd)
2 (pd)
3 (pd)

pd is the only qualifier I can imagine it getting ...

http://www.psacard.com/Services/PSAGradingStandards

curtis-cards 01-22-2015 12:16 PM

I'm going with 4 (pd). Slightly rounded corners and graded by PSA.

What do I win?

ullmandds 01-22-2015 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiger8mush (Post 1370240)
1 (pd)
1.5 (pd)
2 (pd)
3 (pd)

pd is the only qualifier I can imagine it getting ...

http://www.psacard.com/Services/PSAGradingStandards

now that's just bad etiquette...multiple guesses at once!!! Think outside the box...this is PSA after all.

bn2cardz 01-22-2015 12:21 PM

2 MC. They are assuming the name was cut off.

dog*dirt 01-22-2015 12:22 PM

Not able to grade. Altered stock?

tiger8mush 01-22-2015 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1370245)
Think outside the box...this is PSA after all.

So it got an OF (out of focus) qualifier? Phillippe's name is actually there, its just so out of focus you can't see it

bnorth 01-22-2015 12:36 PM

2.5 (PD) my guess but wouldn't doupt the old AUTHENTIC N-O

t206hound 01-22-2015 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz (Post 1370247)
2 MC. They are assuming the name was cut off.

I'm with ÄñÐ¥. Based on the guesses thus far, they must have given it a MC qualifier (why will always remain a mystery).

ullmandds 01-22-2015 12:41 PM

you guys have suffered long enough...the grade is

PSA 1(MC)

And I agree...how is this card miscut?

gregr2 01-22-2015 12:41 PM

Yay!! I had the 1 right!

ullmandds 01-22-2015 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz (Post 1370247)
2 MC. They are assuming the name was cut off.

cut off from where? the extra fat bottom border????


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