1952Boyntoncollector Outing prices on BST?
 

First off I understand the hypocrisy of my posting in this forum.

Just a minor observance on some of the cards/memorabilia that I have been following. Seems Jake takes a snap of original list with price to some of the BST items. Is this so there is a record of the initial list price? Shouldn't the buyer and seller have some privacy of the potential sale price? I assume that's why the price is removed/changed to SOLD when transaction complete.

I was under the impression people could only post positive comments about the card in bst threads

Meh. Anybody who sees a price listed on the BST and buys the card is aware that the list price was already posted in a public forum. I usually ask buyers if they want me to delete the price when I mark a card as sold. Most of them don't care.

Not everyone removes the sale price..many list 'sold' so people dont ask them if the card is for sale. Sometimes when i replied to the sellers listing about a card and commented how it looks, the price may show on there but i didnt think about it mattering since the price was on a public forum..not a secret..

The seller can always not list a price and and send messages back and forth. How many prices are listed on B/s/t the last 30-60 days...what percentage of them do you see me posting what you claim? less than 1%? Not sure what why you care to start a thread.

Any card for sale I have, you are welcome to do whatever you are claiming i have done. However i would feel sad seeing at least some of the prices i had for a two psa 4 centered t206 green cobbs i has listed knowing what they sold for today

This was brought to my attention a while back by another N54 member as well.

Because of this moving forward, any items that I post for sale here will be listed with the nomenclature of "dropping me an email if interested" rather than the posting of a price.

Problem solved!

That is correct. That is an option available.

However a quick search of your recent posts shows you have sold cards and you still list the former asking price on at least one .not pricey but it is what it is...i also dont see any posts from me on there or on any other thread you sold cards and have 'sold' on them....

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...03#post1695803

I haggle in my closet with the door closed.:eek:

I know it's a personal preference if you'd like the price to be known. Just wondering why you would go through the extra step of capturing the price and inserting in your post. Why not let the seller decide that for him/her self?

Some people press the "Reply" button and some people press the "Quote" button. That's probably all it is.

Buyer and seller privacy? Are you f&%*ing kidding? We are posting on a public board. There is no frigging privacy. I commend Jake for doing it. I am one who finds it so annoying when the seller deletes the asking price. While it is only an asking price and we have no idea what price was agreed to, it would be nice to be able to go back and see the transaction. Should we do away with VCP because it violates people's privacy? Give me a break.

+1. Why the effing sold price mystery? We're talking sports cards here, not the nuclear codes. :(

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Agree with Greg and Dave. I don't think I have ever deleted an asking price from a sell thread, nor has anyone ever requested that I do so. Much ado about nothing.

I'm just asking if the seller clearly removes the price, why does a third party with nothing to do with the transaction feel it's his responsibility to let the price be known?

I kneel and lock arms with you Tony....49% because I remove prices and mark cards sold also, and 51% because anything Boynton does annoys the hell out of me so it must be wrong.

I like seeing the prices left intact as I think it's good for the hobby overall and drives interest in cards knowing what they sell for. Jake keep it up!

I suspect you do other things in there as well. :D

Whoa! Shots (or maybe blanks :eek:) fired!

Affirmative on your point #2 Q. Good to hear from ya my friend!!

Ted, I can't tell if you're kidding or if you never read that Cobb Red/ Lenox thread from last year. :D

I believe that's where Leon had finally posted "onky positive comments regarding the card"

What a ride that one was!


...and then it came back around full circle

^^ This X1000^^:)

WTF are people even posting anything in the BST threads besides a question, pm sent, or I will take it. All these nice card and other totally irreverent garbage posts needs to stop, it is not fair to the other sellers.

Shill bumping? :cool:

Once again Ben makes sense. The comments giving props to the card and the seller are purely ridiculous. They add nothing to the purpose of the post. Want to pat the seller on the back for listing a nice card then send him a PM.

Great seller here.
Wow. Just wow.
Wish I could afford it!!
Nice (fill in name of player).

"nice card"

Yous guys are a tough crowd.

I am also guilty of the "nice card" comment in the past, but I try to avoid it for one reason: it may give the seller a false alarm that the card has been sold. He or she seller may see that their thread has a comment and get excited that someone posted "I'll take it". While compliments are cool, I could see that as being a disappointment in a BST thread.

I agree as well. However those types of comments are not what the purpose of this thread was about. Its about the sin of keeping the b/s/t asking prices on the thread by quoting a prior post... Maybe 1% of the time you see that from me whether intentional on not when you look at all the b/s/ts..

bnorth always disagrees, but as always, it looks like there are many more people on my side than his. It would appear that most people do not care about quoting an asking price on a public forum and its no big deal at all and makes no sense to make a thread about.... its baseball cards... ..heck even greg agrees with me on this one..thats should tell you something..

I have seen sellers on counter offers say 'i have more into the card on that' but i find that hard to believe if i see a recent 'asking' price for less (from a source where they got the card) than what the current offer is to them ...not sure how getting information is a bad thing

Agreed. GLWS, or whatever white noise comes out of these is quite annoying. If there is something I'm halfway interested in, and I see it bumped, I want to see that the added post is relevant in a BST way; not "Nice card...". ZZZZZZZ on that or other useless comments.

With all the terrible terrible stuff in the news lately, I have to say, nothing pisses me off more that opening a BST thread and seeing where some jerk posted "Nice card" for no reason. Makes my blood boil. What the hell is wrong with some people.

LOL!

Some people have nothing better to do than to just whine about something. I mean, really, what's the difference between a "nice card" in a BST listing or a "nice card" in the monthly pick-up thread? Isn't a nice card a nice card no matter where it's posted?

Quit it. We are in the middle of griping. Ok everyone, carry on..... Oh here is a nice card too....

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I feel the prices should stay but really don't give a crap either way. I think the bst is fine as it is. Far more messed up things in this biz to worry about.

I've sold a bunch of things on BST. I wish 5 or 10 people would post "nice card wish I could afford it" to every single one. Moves card to the top of the page and all publicity is good publicity, as they say.

Don't people here use services to look up past prices? I swear I've hear talk about it. Worthpoint maybe?
Isn't this the same thing but free?

I commend Jake for doing it. I am one who finds it so annoying when the seller deletes the asking price.

Amen. I hate it when sellers delete the prices...

I'm definitely going to start posting "nice card" in everyone's sales threads

Could also add ". . .won't last long."

This card is for sale. Please PM or email your best offer as I promise to leave my asking price posted after it sells. I also welcome all bumps telling me how nice it looks, wishing me luck selling , or any other message so my item stays at the top of the page. With my daily bumps and your comments we can keep my item at the top!!! Good luck and remember bid early and bid often.:D:eek:

EDIT: This was an attempt at humor, I am not trying to sell anything.:)

This is 100% spot-on.

By boynton interjecting, he prevents the seller from deciding for themselves whether they want to leave the price listed or not. Why should a third party be making that decision for the seller?

Both of these posts about sums it up for me as well. While alot of people may not like the fact sellers take the price down it is there choice. Yes it being a public forum opens up any post to being quoted with the original price in said quote. That doesnt make it any less of a dick move what Jake is doing IMO.

Let it be known, if anyone acts like an idiot it will be dealt with quickly.

Jason, I've taken the liberty of highlighting in bold an important point in your comment above. You're spot on!!

From the BST "Rules section"


There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction.

I agree wholeheartedly that if you are not a party to the transaction you have no standing to comment on any aspect of it for any reason. MYOB.

"The first part of the party of the first part shall be known in this contract as the first part of the party of the first part. And, if any of the parties participating in this contract are shown not to be in their right mind, the entire agreement is automatically nullified."

Since the asking price is not necessarily the selling price, why not insist that buyers post their offering prices as well. If the card is sold, it is reasonable to assume that the card sold between the two prices.

As a seller with multiple cards in one thread, I see nothing wrong with removing a sold card and the asking price when it is sold. It is difficult to resell a card that is already shipped :eek: and believe it or not, some forum members only see the card and price (if it is there) and not the $OLD.

Excuse me, but I have to return to my closet to haggle now.:D

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Why not after a sale is made, the seller can give the buyer the option of leaving the price up, for future reference, or deleting it for privacy. Let the buyer decide which he prefers.

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Tony and Jason are in the minority on this. I wish i could get asking price on every card i sold. Would be great to point out to a future buyer the 'asking price' i supposively paid and so i need to ask for more because thats how much i have into it.

Its a big secret to know a price that is likely more than what i actually paid for a card? You guys are really going to complain and start a thread on this.. hmmm so im the annoying one that is interfering. I didnt start this thread and there are actual complainers about posting a price in a public forum and upset that their fantasy price is forever listed. Can always just not list a price if its so secret.

Heck many listings say 'if cant sell i will send to an auction house' I guess the auction house will delete the sale price when they sell it.

Lol, very good.

Greg and I don't always see eye to eye, but I'm in 100% agreement on this one. If you want to keep your asking price a secret sell it privately. Don't post it on a public forum.

On any quote, you are leaving what was said by the poster forever listed. If you quote a picture of the card, people wil see the Cert number forever though some people like to black out the cert number because they dont want it known. By quoting what someone says, their comments are there forever. So these quotes are preventing the seller themselves of what they want to leave in their post or not. Sometimes you see sellers delete entire threads which they cant do if there is someone quoting what they said.

Who is to decide where to draw the line of what you can quote or not. Your comment basically means we cant quote anything. If leon deletes the quote function then everything is solved, but why would he do that on a public forum.

I'm not trying to be petty, but you really need to define "interference." I'll give you two examples.

A) Seller lists a card on the BST. Someone posts "nice card." What harm have they done?
B) Seller lists a card on the BST. Someone posts "PM sent" but only wants to beat up on the seller's asking price, doesn't make a commitment to purchase and has only wasted the seller's time. Now, anybody else looking at that BST listing is going to see "PM sent" and think the item is not longer for sale.

Which is more interference, A or B? I guarantee B happens a lot more than A.

Pretty sure this answers your last paragraph. The rules decide, Leon enforces.

There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction. This includes, but is not limited to, posting current or historical cost information, commenting negatively on the offer or item, or anything that interferes with the listing in a negative way

Uh, try again.

My comment means that you or any other individual who is not involved in the transaction related to a BST post needs to not interject.

It looks from those rules that comments are fine as long as they are not negative. Not sure how saying nice card is negative or quoting anything the seller says. Its not quoting a negative comment from someone else, its a quote of the actual seller. You are also bumping the thread which is a positive thing.

Uh, read the rules. Third parties are clearly allowed to comment on posts. (Hence the rule of not saying anything negative) Plus how would you know if I made an offer or not. I have bought many cards on this site. Id rather have someone post nice card on my listing then pm me a low ball offer.

Heck people have posted VCP pricing (but fail to mention past sales that support my pricing ) on my listings and I never seen you comment about that but someone saying nice card and quoting what the seller actually says you have a problem with.

There should be no interference by 3rd parties within the Buy/Sell/Trade areas. Third parties are those not involved in a transaction. This includes, but is not limited to, posting current or historical cost information, commenting negatively on the offer or item, or anything that interferes with the listing in a negative way.

First two sentences are pretty clear.

This is really simple.
A) gives the seller a free bump to the top of the listings for absolutely no reason and is not fair to those that fallow the rules.

B) How by any stretch of the imagination does PM sent mean the item is now sold?

As far as prices being removed I am with Jake, I hate it also.

My last post on this.

All this is very petty, I know. I do believe the seller and/or buyer should have the right to decided if the price is removed, even after listing it publicly. Third parties should leave the thread alone. It may not be a negative to you but you can not know how other people view your comments/quotes.

So, if I'm looking at a BST listing and someone has posted "PM sent" to the seller, what am I supposed to assume? That the one who posted the "PM sent" is PMing the seller to invite him out for a beer? Come on, use a little bit of common sense.

And so is the third sentence. The first sentence establishes the rule. The second sentence defines third party and the last sentence defines interference.

As much as I never thought I would say this, Jake is right here...based on the wording.

Yes I agree they are very clear and I clearly followed them. If you dont agree, then the sentences arent pretty clear as you think.

That all said the system shouldn't be manipulated to show prices if another member doesn't want them...if they don't want prices shown then you need to heed their wishes. That kind of goes within the rules of posting historical pricing or something that can negatively influence a sale. Rule technicalities don't work here. It is sort of like a Judge Judy court. Regardless of some laws, If it makes sense then she agrees and if not she doesn't. Technicalities almost never work in her courtroom. I love her.

Understood, but no one has stated they didnt want them showed on any of their postings in the past. Heck didnt even know it was an issue. Been going on for years. The first I learned of it is the one or 2 people on the thread who didnt even start the thread. They also pretty much said they just disagreed because it was me they have issue with not the subject matter.. Ill follow whatever you want its your forum. I think part of the reason nobody ever contacted me is they thought it was allowed until right now.

To date, nobody has ever emailed me to take a post off. You did say if another member doesnt want them. I can only assume they are fine with it if they not say otherwise. 'if they dont want prices shown you need to heed their wishes' Understood but noone has ever told me that. (perhaps because they thought it was allowed until now) There was nothing for me to heed....

However i really dont think i was going on a technicality. Quoting what they say? Thats not posting historical pricing which would be from another source or where it came from. The seller already offered posted pricing to the public. Again its your forum ill follow whatever you want, but in the beggining i just hit quote and not reply and wasnt trying to sneak anything. Thats why i defended myself here with a lot of support.

So in the future if a member (buyer or seller) posts for me to remove a quoted asking price, that is fine as i will now know the member wanted it removed . Also the people that i know that never want it quoted ill heed that as well which appears to be 2 or 3 people thus far. Anyone else can pm me etc if they want to keep their posted asking price a secret. Again i think this impacts about 1% of the b/s/t listings.

Try some common sense yourself. I know you are on here to argue so common sense tells me I am the dumb one in this instance for even considering that you would use it.

I would assume the person inquired about the card and made an offer less than the asking price. Nothing more.

Typical douchebag self, huh Ben?

How do you determine the amount of the offer by only "PM sent"? Seriously, please explain.

Because I would also assume someone willing to pay the asking price would post I'll take it, not pm sent.

It seems logical that an offer of asking price would be "I'll take it." PM sent might mean registering interest, asking for more detail, or making an offer under asking. All of those are reasonable assumptions, especially the one about an offer under asking. Am I to assume a PM'd offer at or over asking?

Then to clear matters up, a seller on the ball usually comments, "PMs replied to" to make clear the item is still for sale.

So which one took it?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=244654

Some sellers are lazy but if i see a pm sent, and a few days pass i assume it wasnt for asking price otherwise 'sold' would be on there. I also assume maybe they sent a pm but there was no answer so they posted it on the forum to tell the seller they tried to reach them. Maybe they wanted more photos who knows... But yeah, its just assumptions, maybe it did sell. I wouldn't actually know anything.

Dont know who took it but i do note the secret asking price is still there and also there is no post from me quoting it.

No way to tell from that post. Perhaps neither. My point is that to assume a sale was made because someone posted pm sent defies common sense. Any time I've listed a card for sale here I get a few questions, requests for better scans, and low ball offers before either a sale is made or the card gets sent off to pwcc.