Willie Mays 2003 Forged Counterfeit 2003 Topps Legends Card
Below is a link to my blog on Willie Mays Forged/Counterfeit "2003 Topps Legends" autograph cards.
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Wow! Never would've thought something like that would happen.
Great work as usual Chris. |
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If anyone knows Ebay seller Comc_consignment, they have one of the Mays forged/counterfeit cards listed. Attachment 366963 |
Thank you for posting this!
I've been looking for a certified Mays signed card on ebay recently, and have been considering several of these. I noticed the sudden glut of this card on ebay, and wondered what was going on. You just saved me from making a big mistake, and I thank you again! Steve |
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Probably the same source as the Jeter and Koufax forged/counterfeit cards. |
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And please be extra careful.
PSA has certed at least two of these. Attachment 366965 Attachment 366966 |
PSA probably doesn't even look at them since it's from Topps. They figure Topps did there homework on them so why waste our time we'll just collect the money and slab them and call them good.
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That's just sloppy "authenticating." |
SMH, smh.
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Thank you. Everything takes time, but thank you. |
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I found it, Adam.
Yep--Forged and Counterfeit. |
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Not much expertise needed for that. |
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I feel that the first fake auto in the thread closely matches all those signed 8x10 with the fake "Say Hey" hologram that we've been seeing the last couple of years.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh crap. I might own one of these 1996 Wille Mays.
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I took a picture of it. I don't exactly know what to look for, but I assume it's now a fake.
This is the first time in my collecting career that I KNOW something of mine is now likely a forgery, and it feels really crappy. |
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Thanks for letting me know. |
What's crazy is that I bought this in 2018 because I had heard so many shady things about the Say Hey holo and wanted to just have an example I knew for sure was real. Haha.
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I do not allow any other "distraction" when opining an autograph. |
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If anyone communicates with Ebay seller Dacardworld, hopefully someone can inform him of his forged/counterfeit Willie Mays listing.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-TOPPS-...6c68%7Ciid%3A1 Attachment 367329 Attachment 367330 |
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Things are getting so bad out there, I've almost relegated myself to only buying on the B/S/T on this site.
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Willie Mays 1996-97 Topps Forged Counterfeit Cards
My thread on the 1996-97 Willie Mays Topps autographed forged/counterfeit cards.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/f...s-commemorativ |
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The above card (forged Willie Mays) was not certed by PSA. Only the card was graded. This is something I just learned today. If the above card was certed by PSA, it would read "PSA/DNA Cert." |
So what are we as collectors to do? Seems like most people here don’t like TPAs. So if you can’t trust PSA, JSA, Beckett ,SGV etc, and now it looks like even things with topps certified authentic logo are fake if you can’t trust companies like topps then what do we collectors do!! It’s seems like 90% of autographs out there are fake. ☹️
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Shouldn’t any card with a forged sig at least get a MK qualifier? [emoji849] |
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So, they authenticated a counterfeit card, and graded it a PSA 9. Steve |
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For me, that stuff takes a long time to learn I just passed a decade of reading stuff here, and still can only get the big ones like Mantle and Ruth right a bit over half the time. Probably still in the coin toss range.:( What for me is quick are the distractions, so I always start with those. Is the object "right"? Did it exist while the signer was alive? Does it make any sense at all? What's odd is that I can eliminate quite a few that way. I also don't buy any expensive ones, which helps. But odds are even some of my cheap ones are fake in some way. |
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People would actually have to care first. It’s a lot easier to just buy something then blame someone else when it doesn’t work out the way you expected. |
Thank you for your thoughts on this.
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Every week, my "eye" picks up something new about a particular autograph. The learning process never stops. And to be honest, I have tried numerous times (ask Steve Zarelli) "to stop caring" and walk away from this, but when I observe an issue like forged/counterfeit cards, I can sucked back in, because I do care. Like Michael Corleone once said "Just when I thought I was out--they pull me back in." |
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When I scan certain autographs on Ebay, I never examine the pack-pulled autographs. Just never thought i had to. The only reason that I caught on to the forged/counterfeit Derek Jeter "1995 Upper Deck" autograph cards was because the forgery was so bad and it stuck out like a sore thumb. |
Just because it’s “pack certified” doesn’t make it authentic either. Too much blind trust in everything. Do your own homework and stop letting other people tell you what is right and wrong.
I’m not saying those comments specifically to a specific card. It’s just become way too commonplace for people to assume something. Just because someone else says something is good doesn’t make it good. |
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Glad other people noticed it...I posted a video on this when I immediately realized I had a fake from some eBayer TNTNorthNJ or something like that... Those 1996 reprints are only supposed to have 60 or so of each, and the one card keeps popping up CONSTANTLY....def forgery and the fake stamp concerns me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8YMJkv24Tc&t=106s |
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Just as a reminder, in addition to the Mays cards, here are some other cards which have been sold with them in quantity.
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I've posted blogs on the Jeter, Koufax and Mays forged/counterfeit cards. I will be posting a blog on the Johnny Unitas forged/counterfeit "2001 Upper Deck" autograph cards. I am also debating posting YouTube videos on the aforementioned. |
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I thought “pack certified” autographs were pretty much as close as authentic as possible???
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As I said, they are very good fakes. They have foil and holograms from Topps and Upper Deck. It fooled me. |
Thank you for your response on this. I ask because I was starting to get worried because I got rid of a ton of psa certified hof autographs (sold on eBay) and used that money to “upgrade” my hof collection to pack certified hof autographs because I wanted to be 110% sure my autographs were real ( instead of those slabbed and authenticated by psa, Sgc, Beckett, JSA ..etc then I saw this thread and was like good grief! What are we as collectors suppose to do!? I bought pack pulled autos to eliminate any doubt whatsoever!!! So thank you for reassuring me that pack pulled autographs are authentic.
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Below are just a few links to my blogs/threads on some of the forged/counterfeit cards.
I first began observing these from Ebay sellers TNTNorthnj, Lyonhrt7777, Jonacarn_44 and most recently from Ebay seller Daniecarchi-0, Dealsfromyustey and others. https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...ogPost:1337379 https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...er-deck-baseba |
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I buy all mine on eBay. Very rarely do I pull them from packs. 😞
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Below is a YouTube link showing Dave and Adam's Card World "pulling" one of those forged/counterfeit "Willie Mays 1996-97" Topps cards.
Please note that this is not a "pack pull." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t82SSbtBYPg |
Bart Starr Forged Counterfeit 2001 Upper Deck Legends Ebay Seller Gofsu2010
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As most of you know, I've been exposing numerous Derek Jeter, Sandy Koufax, Johnny Unitas, etc. forged/counterfeit cards.
Check out Ebay seller Gofsu2010 (a major seller of GFA-certed forgeries awhile back); he has sold 15 forged/counterfeit Johnny Unitas "2001 Upper Deck Legends" autograph cards. He had all of them listed as 1-day auctions. Below are screenshots of some of those sales. Attachment 370969 Attachment 370970 Attachment 370971 He listed number 16 yesterday, which ends tonight (10/27/2019). Attachment 370969 Attachment 370970 Attachment 370971 Attachment 370972 |
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Bart Starr has been hot since he passed and even before. I run across these in my searches. They are all forgeries as you said. Doesn’t stop the sheep from flocking in. Be smart people
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Those people have absolutely no conscience. Ebay seller Gofsu2010 was a major seller and promoter of GFA (Stephen Rocchi) certed forgeries and I assume he listed them as 1-day auctions to avoid detection, but a quick check on Ebay's "Sold Auctions" gives it all away. |
Does this Jeter have any known counterfeits or does this look OK? They all scare me now.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEREK-JETER...MAAOSwxjxdt3Qd |
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Why doesn't Upper Deck take some kind of action against these people who are selling counterfeit Upper Deck cards in bulk?
Also, I wanted to thank everyone for posting examples of these forgeries. This is helpful, particularly given how sophisticated some of these Upper Deck examples are. |
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I emailed multiple people at the top level of Topps, and never got a response. This is why I do what I do. |
Here are three more of the 2003 Topps Legends Willie Mays counterfeits, one even PSA graded and authenticated, and another that CSG graded/authenticated!:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37417307759...YAAOSwv41izKBZ https://www.ebay.com/itm/38500161814...4AAOSwzatizIvn https://www.ebay.com/itm/38499429846...gAAOSww1FislgF Now, here's a REAL ONE that Beckett graded and authenticated: https://www.ebay.com/itm/29508640379...EAAOSw089ipSih Steve |
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I'm worried now as I have purchased many Topps Certified Autograph cards including three Mays cards.
Opinions on this Ohtani? Attachment 525089 |
Welcome back, Chris!
Article in SCD by Rich Muller. Not counterfeit, IMO worse. https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ChDaq0O0jwX8sE |
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I saw a few of those on YouTube from some of the breakers who pulled them. What a mess for Topps/Fanatics. |
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