National may be in peril
 

who knows, but I wouldn't bet on it happening.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...us-cases-rise/

I prefer to just wait for actual news from the National people.


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Get it Out of Illinois, ASAP.

Ray Schulte was on Sports Card Nation podcast last Friday. He said there are no discussions to move it. Its just not that simple.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR...wNTY3NTg?ep=14

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That's unfortunate Hopefully This Will Be the Last Year in that State.

This will Be Two Years Lost to Lock Downs by State Restrictions In IL.

I spoke with Megan at the National. She said they will NOT be moving the show to a different location. The only possibility would be changing the dates. It is just too early for anyone to know what will happen at this point.

Last year was supposed to be in AC so I'm not sure how you get to 2 years lost because of restrictions in IL.

My Mistake, You're Correct, Get it Out of New Jersey Permanently too !

Put it in Indianapolis, they seem to be able to handle the NCAA tournament

Where do you propose they should have or even could have moved it last year while the whole country was in a major pandemic the likes of which hadn’t been seen in 100 years?

Illinois just expanded vaccine eligibility on Monday. I’d imagine rates will plummet as more Americans get vaccinated. They’re planning to make it available to every adult by May 1st. Probably not enough time for a June show, but hopefully enough time for late July.

Nashville Tennessee and Dallas Texas

I understand that PSA has graciously offered to grade every card at the show regardless of when or where it is held for $4,000,000,000,000.00.

And Washington does not consider sports cards infrastructure.:D

National has been moved to PWCC's hermitically sealed underground vault.

Is a hermetically sealed vault safe to be in with 50,000 others nowadays? :confused:

I'd go. Vegas is also wide open and would be even better.

Oh Yeah that would be Awesome !!!

Move it to Texas...I would advise Tarrant County (Fort Worth, Arlington) not Dallas County (Dallas)

Agreed 100%.

Been through this many times. . . .yes, Vegas cool. . . .Vegas too expensive. Not like we're trading porno DVDs or anything REALLY interesting here . . . . . .

Is it expensive? I've gotten rooms for almost nothing there. Mostly because they're getting paid through my time at the casino.

Expensive for conventions. Apparently very. At least historically. Maybe today they'd be more accomodating.

They could move it to Texas, Florida or Georgia. Many states are open (some have been for a while) and welcome the business. All three of those states have major convention venues and hotels to accommodate a convention of this size. I've been to various toy conventions in Arkansas, Kentucky, and Georgia this year and last year and they were not super spreaders like everyone would have you believe. Restrictions were in place and protocols followed carefully. Handled correctly it shouldn't be an issue even in Illinois. I have been on several convention committees over the years and unless they have a written contract in Illinois there is no reason it couldn't be moved. I've seen it and done it before. Takes a little work but not impossible.

I believe they can rent out a portion of the main convention center, and that there are other smaller venue options there as well.

Ugh.

The "Biggest" Issue about moving the NSCC at this point to an "Open" State is to remember we would have to get in line behind events already scheduled for those places which had been pushed back.

Hate to say this but the NSCC can not just snap their fingers, say we want to run a show and the waters open up for us. We have to wait out turn.

Rich

national
 

Move the show to Texas. Are the open states booked with events? Doubtful. Someone with alittle grit might be able to get this done.


Leon????

Let’s all Be Realistic this Year the National Can’t and Wont Be moved to a different location, it’s just to late. However in he future I hope we can chose states such as Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and Nevada... Just my Two Cents.

As far as moving it goes, the RNC was moved from North Carolina to Florida less than 3 months out from the convention date. We are 4 months out from the National, and the RNC is much bigger and there were fewer options available last year.

Ah, commercially expensive to rent space. Now I get it. I was thinking expensive to stay in the city.

I reviewed our PMs from the 2019 convention and I have to admit, I’m baffled by your comments in this thread. You took the Blue Line downtown on a magnificent summer day and took in the sights out city provides, and you thanked me for helping you navigate that trip. You need got give Illinoisans the benefit of the doubt. We’re trying and doing our best to make things better, back to the way they were. We deserve respect.

There are many things I am really looking forward to doing this summer; first and foremost getting out and seeing a handful of baseball games. Everyone will make their own decisions, but getting into a confined indoor space with a few thousand people looking over each others' shoulders ain't high on my list. But others obviously will make different calls based on their own views.

Please don't bomb me with should haves or I would nevers, but...

Dallas has had their show the last couple months, I'm sure most people have seen the social media and other posts regarding it - and yes I understand that show is still a fraction of what a National would be.

I think a couple of the big hold ups for Dallas/Houston being a location has been (a) Dallas may not have the best convention facilities?, and (b) Texas is a long haul for both the East Coast and West Coast folks. Pretty sure (b) is the main issue.

Both are easy flights in and out and plenty of hotel space, etc. Houston has great convention space, although the City has been preventing some big shows from happening so even here we aren't immune to that aspect.

I fear we just may not quite "be there" yet for a show like this, but we do still have nearly 4 months. I'm optimistic they can hold it, but could be "different" than in the past.

Problem is you may have 4 months but you can't wait until day 120 to make a decision.

I respect you and your Fellow Illinoisans. How does me saying I hope we can chose states that are open such as FL, TX, and TN disrespectful to you personally???

A friend living in Wisconsin heard it was moving to Davenport.

I would go if the show moved to Tijuana, would stay in San Diego and take the train to the border. Cheap beer and tacos, I’m tellin ya. 🌮🌮🌮🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺

move it
 

I can't believe the organizers aren't trying to move it to an open state like Florida, Georgia, or Texas. Not having it again this year is inexcusable.

Because that's the country we now live in. So many people just looking for a reason to be offended.

^^^ THAT is spot on!

I wish there was a '100 Likes' button to hit for that one.

I heard recently even If ONE person is offended, it has to be changed

I don't doubt from the news you follow that you heard exactly that.

Username an oxymoron?

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Hell no :) I believe in the Steal, pizzagate, and whatever Friar Tucker tells me, like the true patriot that I am.

I come here to get away from this shit, can both sides please cool it.

I worry that if it’s moved to a state like Texas or Florida with no restrictions at all that it could be a super spreader event. Sports cards are hotter right now than they may ever have been and the crowd could be huge. Covid is still here but too many people are acting like this is over already. My wife had to postpone a medical procedure because one of her coworkers tested positive last week. I had to postpone looking at a huge baseball card collection because the guy called me today and told me his wife has Covid. I feel like we’re spiking the ball at the one yard line. Crossing my fingers though that people continue to be vaccinated and the show can go on as scheduled in Chicago.

I certainly don't have any experience trying to organize events of this scale, but other than possibly inclement weather, are there any obstacles to hosting it outside? Soldier Field (for example) probably isn't too busy in late July.

I come here to get away from profanity, so please cool it.

Oh yeah, well your being offended by my being offended about the offensive things you posted in reply to my posts that offended you offends me.

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Now everyone who lives in a legal state, smoke a bowl and watch a sunset.

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Kona before the world turned stupid. Aloha...

If you follow Pritzker's policies, you know how he's going to play it with resuming indoor events.

Prove you're vaccinated or you don't get in.

I propose a virtual national...where bitcoin is the only currency accepted!

People still jumping to conclusions and watching too much sheeple news. Texas has restrictions and we're not acting like it's over. Just don't have state mandated restrictions which means the state isn't enforcing it the counties and cities are. It was pretty much that way from the beginning anyway. The state never really enforced anything. It just covered their butts in case lawsuits came up. Everyone here in Texas, or the majority, are still following protocols and the businesses still have signage requiring masks, social distancing, etc. The news makes it sound like we're all running around spitting on each other. Geez. The show can also follow protocols and require dealers and attendees to follow them. I just attended a huge toy show in Atlanta over a week ago and it went fine. Everyone followed the rules and it wasn't a super spreader. The Super bowl parties were supposed to be also but that never happened. Too much panic being spread by misinformation and predictions which have mostly been all wrong. I got COVID even though I followed protocols to an extreme being a type 1 diabetic and having a very compromised immune system also. Got it a week after my first vaccine. Even with my bad health history it was like having a bad flu. I've lost a couple of friends to it but mostly because they were really sick already or didn't seek any help when they got it. You can't believe everything you read, see on TV and the internet about this stuff. I live here so I'm pretty knowledgeable about the situation in Texas. Can't speak to Florida. I can say I have attended several major shows and cons throughout the country this year and last with no issues. Caught it right here in our little town.

Jim, this was a very informative episode. Glad you posted it. everyone should listen. it answers alot of the questions posited in this thread.

And non fungible tokens are for sale at every table.

yes...nft's of my cards that are for sale...in limited quantity of course!

I don't believe there's a rule about profanity. There is, however, a rule about politics.

Unfortunately Politics are why the National Will Most Likely Be Cancelled or Delayed in the State Of Illinois.....that’s just the reality of the situation.

Lots of things happen, even in our hobby, due to politics. People insulting each other here doesn't change that, nor add to any important discussion nor make any changes to the situation. It's just meaningless schoolyard crap that adults should be able to resist the temptation of joining. You want to make a change? Do it somewhere that might make a difference, not a sports card forum.

Congrats. You've made yet another post with wrong information.

Don't you have some missing images to post?

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Some COVID Current Facts in Illinois
 

Here are some facts from today's Chicago Sun-Times:

"Illinois’ COVID-19 uptick took another jump Wednesday as Chicago’s “quantum leap” in cases raised more concerns of a potential third surge of the virus, officials said.

Another 2,592 residents across the state were diagnosed with the virus among 77,727 tests, which lowered Illinois’ average positivity rate to 3.3%, according to the Illinois Department of Public Health.

But that key metric has shot up 57% overall in under three weeks, while COVID-19 hospitalizations have jumped 24% over the same time frame. More than 1,400 beds were occupied by coronavirus patients Tuesday night, the most the state’s hospitals have treated since Feb. 24.

Gov. J.B. Pritzker and Mayor Lori Lightfoot agree the uptick has halted any talk of further reopening — but they’re still far apart on when all adults should be eligible to receive a COVID-19 vaccine dose."

I live in Illinois. The governor is a strict "follow the data" person. I want the National to happen BUT this is not good news.

Peace and stay healthy.

We definitely want the show here, but we want to do it safely. In the end, Pritzker and Ngozi Ezike are going to make the call and it's going to be based on scientific data.

But punishing Rosemont in the future by never having the convention there again, over a temporary policy wholly out of its control? Get real.

Thanks Frank, I needed the laugh. :D

Lol.

Move it
 

The organizers should move it to an open state like florida. If they don’t they shouldn’t be in charge anymore. Delaying the convention is not an option. Covid is here for the foreseeable future and will only cycle back up past august as the weather turns cooler again.

Have you ever moved a convention booked years in advance in 3 months? I don't think you'd be successful even in the best of times.

Let's Face it, It's not happening this year.

Here's the official word from the NSCC:

https://nsccshow.com/convention-news...ate_april_2021

We’ve been hearing some rumors about the upcoming Chicago National. So we want to put your minds at ease. We are continuing to plan for the event scheduled for July 28- August 1 at the Donald E Stephens Convention Center and maintaining contact with the proper state and local authorities. If we need to make any changes to the event, they will be announced here and on our social media sites. Tickets are currently on sale for the 41st National on our web site at www.NSCCShow.com
1. We are not planning to move this year’s event to Texas or Florida
2. We are not planning to require proof of vaccination to attend.
3. We will announce autograph guests as they are confirmed by TriStar.
4. We will adhere to the guidelines provided by the State of Illinois and the City of Rosemont
5. If the event is postponed or rescheduled, you will have the opportunity to ask for a refund on tickets purchased or roll over the ticket purchase to the rescheduled event.

Yes, John Newman, who hosts that Podcast does a great job. I listen every week

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If everyone has to wear a mask, I know how the show could save a heckuva lot of money. They should just hire people from a temp agency (with a passing resemblance) to 'be' the Hall of Famers signing autographs. Can't see their faces? No problem. "That's Reggie Jackson and Johnny Bench at those tables. And allow me to direct you to the ticket window..."

I thought that was the Coaches Corner model?

As someone who lives in Jacksonville and is familiar with the scramble that went on regarding the RNC - that was a F-ing disaster.

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They would be telling you it is Babe Ruth and Shoeless Joe Jackson signing autographs.

As an Illinois resident, living and working not far from Rosemont, I was initially skeptical the National could happen. However, some recent events have given me hope. First of all, the Cubs allowed 10,000 fans in Wrigley Field yesterday. I read they plan to allow even more as the season progresses. Also, the Chicago area's main regular card show, the one in the south suburb of Orland Park, is scheduled to come back on April 18. The show has been shut down since February of 2020. My booth at the National is bought and paid for. I'm looking forward to it. I'm also setting up in Orland on April 18 and can't wait! Maybe things are finally opening up here.

Will be nice when life returns to normal. Or substantially normal. We’ve all been cooped up too long. Maybe when we all hit the beach and the lake PSA will be able to dig out from their 27 million card backlog.

Be careful what you wish for...

Went Tried to go to a card show today here in Northern California. These types of (relatively small) shows are generally pretty well attended, but nothing too crazy. But today, due to the pandemic, it was an absolute nightmare. We arrived at about 9:30 for a 9 to 4 show at The Marriott. Pulling into the hotel, we saw there wasn't a single parking spot available, so we drove around in continuous loops waiting for something to suddenly open up. One finally did. Woo frickin' hoo! Approaching the entrance, we saw a line the likes of which I have never seen at one of these card shows before, with hundreds and hundreds of people snaking around the side of the venue, bending into every possible nook between dumpsters and construction trucks and whatever else. I talked to the guy at the door to see what was going on, perhaps there was a player signing autographs or something?? Nope, just a regular show. Owing to the current state of affairs, only 200 people (including the vendors) were allowed in at a time. My response to him was a simple, "This isn't like a supermarket where you go in, grab your stuff and leave. People looking at cards STAY and look at cards, usually for a whole bunch of hours." He replied, "Yup, I know," and told me the wait to get in would be at least two hours. Saying screw it, I joined the throngs of people on line to see if the wait time wasn't overestimated (knowing full well it was UNDERestimated). I kept staring at the people in the far distance near the beginning of the line, and decided to focus on a fellah I dubbed 'Barney Blue Jacket' (although his name was probably Mike or Bob or something). After 45 minutes, 'Barney Blue' was in the exact same spot. The line in front of me moved a bunch of times, but it was just a false positive with people scrunching up closer and closer together while the actual number of people between me and the mirage known as the door hadn't changed one bit. Nobody left the show, so no one 'new' was allowed inside. And again, there were hundreds of people in front of me. It would be countless hours before my number was called (and everything I would've hoped to buy would've already been snatched up regardless of the ridiculous pricing) and realized my only option was to bail. We left and went to eat, hit a dollar store and then Walmart, and eventually headed back to The Marriott. The line looked exactly the same (didn't even bother looking for 'B.B. Jacket' this time), so we ventured out again to check out the environs of Travis Air Force Base and walk around town a bit. By now it's closing in on 1PM and we once again headed back to the show...so take a wild guess what the situation was. The line hadn't moved at all, so home I went.

Long, boring story for nothing except to vent, but I can only imagine what kind of f_ckfest a large show will be if the same protocols are in place. Yowza.

P.S. Think I'll search for good ole 'Barn' on Facebook.

Next time walk through the back door confidently dressed in PPE with some gadget that beeps, stop at every table and inspect every card.
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Washington state where I live is pretty hardcore. We had a Twin Oaks show here in Auburn, Wa today and happy to report it went off without a hitch. In fact, they moved it to a 2 day event and will be on for tomorrow. It was freakin' packed...very nice to see. Picked up some nice cards...great show.

Here is to hoping the National can go as planned...if so, I plan on working in the area to take advantage and attend...

That's outdoors though... kinda apples and oranges.