Steve B was kind enough to answer a few of my questions on the specifics of the printing process with these cards a few years ago. It seems that all the Johnson errors likely shared the same image on the negative for the black plates and that the common version cards were likely corrected by altering the original art for the negative used to make their black plates. The editing of the errors therefore likely took place in the negatives and plates for the three other colors. It would be great to hear more from Steve B or someone else with printing experience to discuss where/how exactly those changes happened. Would the fact that multiple versions were being produced at the same time point to the plates on each press producing their own “version”?
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Awesome stuff - really love the information and transparency on this topic!
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This really has nothing to do with Randy Johnson, except I was going through my Brett photos and this one looks like the same location as the johnson shot
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sorry if this was already posted somewhere in this monster of a thread, but were the ripken FF and johnson marlboro sign cards only available in a certain packaging? or was it just based on when the cards were produced? didn't know if rack packs vs wax packs vs complete sets mattered. thanks!
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Anybody have any "tricks" they use to be able to see the sign better? As I have gotten older I find it way harder to tell them apart.
A couple things I do. Make sure to look at them in a room(or outside) that has as much sunlight as possible. At night with just lights on in a room they all look like box cards to me. The yellow line printing error Bill Ripkens are the same way. Can't see the line without good sun light. I have also found taking pics with a 10X loupe of the sign area using my phone helps. Then up load them to my computer and compressing it to 25% of original size helps a lot. Anybody else have any tricks they use? Also, besides the 2 very light red tint and the 3 or 4 known blue tints what is considered the rarest version. I have been away from super collecting them for some time. Back several years ago the green scribble was considered the toughest. |
Hey Ben, I have a few versions of this and and the Ripken card that I picked up years ago, but never got into collecting them to the depth you are talking about. Do you think all of these different versions are from the original printing process or were some created after the fact. I know some of my Ripkens are fakes, not sure about the Johnsons. Agree with you about old eyes, and that would keep me from getting back into these things to any greater degree
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How many of the Johnson and Ripken variants ( and which ones ) do you guys think were intended by the manufacturer (as opposed to unintended differences occurring in the printing process )
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eBay is flooded with a ton of counterfeit Bill Ripkens of all variations and has been for over a year. On both cards all the changes were intentionally done by Fleer. The printing process doesn't make alterations. Printing errors are way different that what went on with those 2 cards. |
what's weird to me is that you can find a marlboro johnson in a wax box, and then find a blacked out johnson in the same box. maybe that's just normal, or maybe the box had packs from a different box.
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Just hanging out with RJ... I couldn't resist taking a picture of this latest low tint pickup as I pulled it out of the envelope and viewed it in the sun light. Steve
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Cards look great Steve, I'll have to try that same thing!!!
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Maybe it is the lighting, but anyone else notice there is no "pube" showing on either of those cards?
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So what's the latest/highest known case code that a FF or Marlboro has come out of? I have a case from march of 89. |
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Any hints of the Marlboro were well gone before the FF was corrected. I would estimate late Nov 1988 and early Dec 1988 would be the best shot at the RJ variations.
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I've been trying to track down a PSA 10 of what I'd been calling the br2 version (and some call the second clearest version) for a long time in the BST section here. I was really excited to pick up a BGS 9.5 last week on EBay. Here is a picture of the card next to the clear one for comparison.
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No dot to the left and no red pube, if I am seeing it correctly... |
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The BGS 9.5 actually does have the pube (on lower left) and the red comma (on lower right), but it doesn't have a dot in the upper blue bar. I've seen this version both with and without the dot. My guess is that dot actually keeps some really nice PSA 9s from being graded 10s. |
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Three years after starting my chase for this card I finally found a relatively clear PSA 10, which has been my huge want card and what has kept me locked into eBay and buying all sorts of variations along the way.
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I don't think I've broken 1989 Fleer since 2009-2010 but this sunday at the Rose Bowl flea, I bought 9 loose packs (and a bunch of small, 80's boxed/grocery/oddball type sets) and pulled a green tint Randy after first pulling a Ripken FF. Probably haven't pulled either of those cards from a pack myself since 2004-05. Pretty incredible odds. |
Fantastic stuff, man. I've opened a lot of this stuff, and it never gets old...the feeling of either knowing you're going to pull one of these, or have good odds of doing so is still awesome.
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Hernandez is a neat variant card as well
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This was found in one of my fb groups. He just sent it express to psa. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...15d253f026.jpg
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WOW! Not seen one that clear before. :eek:
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i sent a few to PSA that all looked like marlboro ad on scoreboard to me, and they all came back obscured. pretty dumb when you find marlboros for sale that you can't see the sign at all. |
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