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toppcat 07-01-2020 05:14 PM

1991 Topps Variations
 
Are these worth hanging on to? I have no idea if any cards glow, do have a bunch of dark logos and know there's a bunch of other variations. I DO know I don't have any white frames, etc. Curious if they have any appeal still?

bnorth 07-01-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by toppcat (Post 1995421)
Are these worth hanging on to? I have no idea if any cards glow, do have a bunch of dark logos and know there's a bunch of other variations. I DO know I don't have any white frames, etc. Curious if they have any appeal still?

The Oil Can Boyd can bring good money. Not sure about any of the others. As far as glow backs and non glow backs. Neither are rare but I have seen some people trying to scam others with them.

toppcat 07-01-2020 07:05 PM

Thanks, about what I figured. I might have the Boyd but that's it. No idea where I put it though..

swarmee 07-01-2020 07:57 PM

Oil Can Boyd (flag tip), Mark Whiten (hand out of frame), and Chris Hoiles (border color difference) are the major $100 errors/variations. Only the real crazies go for the back differences or the sheet letters/asterisks.

ALR-bishop 07-01-2020 08:23 PM

Glad I am not a complete real crazy :)

I doubt a complete list of all possible variants to the 91 Topps set exists. Most of any Topps set

swarmee 07-01-2020 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1995489)
Glad I am not a complete real crazy :)

I doubt a complete list of all possible variants to the 91 Topps set exists. Most of any Topps set

Not even close. 1998 or 1999 Tek has to be up there. 100 base cards, 90 parallels of each, plus additional diffractor parallels of the background parallels. Some ridiculous number of cards in a Master set.

sthoemke 07-01-2020 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by toppcat (Post 1995421)
Are these worth hanging on to? I have no idea if any cards glow, do have a bunch of dark logos and know there's a bunch of other variations. I DO know I don't have any white frames, etc. Curious if they have any appeal still?

Get a black light, and sort out the bold logo glow backs, which have scarcity over common cards.

Also look for "A* B*" before copyright cards, which had very limited production. I routinely sell commons for $5+.

Elberson 07-01-2020 09:20 PM

I think the chipper RC with the red blotch on his hat is a limited variation too

jacksoncoupage 07-01-2020 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1995492)
Not even close. 1998 or 1999 Tek has to be up there. 100 base cards, 90 parallels of each, plus additional diffractor parallels of the background parallels. Some ridiculous number of cards in a Master set.

I don’t believe that a 1998 Tek master set (including the diffractors) has ever been compiled. But for realistic, base Topps set, 1991 Topps has more variations than any other Topps base set if you count all of the pack issued base cards including: bold logos, A*B*, glow backs and all confirmed variations. And some count the Desert Shield and/or Tiffany cards.


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Originally Posted by Elberson (Post 1995503)
I think the chipper RC with the red blotch on his hat is a limited variation too

It is definitely not limited at all. A very large chunk of the run received the print mark.

toppcat 07-02-2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sthoemke (Post 1995499)
Get a black light, and sort out the bold logo glow backs, which have scarcity over common cards.

Also look for "A* B*" before copyright cards, which had very limited production. I routinely sell commons for $5+.

Cool, thanks. I already have the bolds segregated, awaiting my black light from Amazon, which I need for something else anyway.

Rich Klein 07-03-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by toppcat (Post 1995729)
Cool, thanks. I already have the bolds segregated, awaiting my black light from Amazon, which I need for something else anyway.

And keep letting me know and I'll keep updating the COMC data base. I know there is still a while to go to finish but I want to keep working on this (and all the others).

Someone sent us a nice 1992 Topps Football request this morning with a missing stadium name on the back. I love stuff like that, keep em coming.

Rich

jacksoncoupage 10-02-2020 06:59 PM

Here is my updated list of variations for this set. I will post separate lists for the Bold 40th cards and the A*B* code bold cards at a later date.

2a George Brett RB VAR: Incomplete circle around reg symbol in copyright
2b George Brett RB VAR: Complete circle around reg symbol in copyright
3a Carlton Fisk RB VAR: Incomplete circle around reg symbol in copyright
3b Carlton Fisk RB VAR: Complete circle around reg symbol in copyright
4a Kevin Maas RB VAR: Incomplete circle around reg symbol in copyright
4b Kevin Maas RB VAR: Complete circle around reg symbol in copyright
5a Cal Ripken RB VAR: E*F* print code before copyright on back
5b Cal Ripken RB VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
6a Nolan Ryan RB VAR: Incomplete circle around reg symbol in copyright
6b Nolan Ryan RB VAR: Complete circle around reg symbol in copyright
9a Darrin Fletcher VAR: no print code before copyright on back
9b Darrin Fletcher VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
21a Joe Morgan ERR: 87 hits for Wade Boggs
21b Joe Morgan COR: 187 hits for Wade Boggs
21c Joe Morgan VAR: 187 hits for Wade Boggs clipped off at top
22a Storm Davis ERR: Reg symbol over Topps logo on front
22b Storm Davis ERR: Reg symbol partially airbrushed from front
22c Storm Davis COR: Reg symbol entirely removed from front
42a Chris Hoiles VAR: White inset border on front
42b Chris Hoiles VAR: Dark inset border, white break in upper left
42c Chris Hoiles VAR: Dark inset border
48a Dennis Boyd VAR: brown wrist over banner tip
48b Dennis Boyd VAR: pink banner over hand, missing black outline
48c Dennis Boyd VAR: pink banner over hand, black outline
49a Pat Borders ERR: 40 stolen bases at Kinston in 1986
49b Pat Borders COR: 0 stolen bases at Kinston in 1986
80a Fernando Valenzuela ERR: 20 complete games in 1986 not italicized, tied for earned runs in 1990
80b Fernando Valenzuela COR: 20 complete games in 1986 italicized, led league in earned runs in 1990
83a Daryl Boston VAR: A*B* print code before copyright on back
83b Daryl Boston VAR: A* print code before copyright on back
87a Tracy Jones VAR: E* F* print code before copyright on back
87b Tracy Jones VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
97a Brady Anderson ERR: Monthly scoreboard for September 2 RBI, 3 hits
97b Brady Anderson COR: Monthly scoreboard for September 3 RBI, 14 hits
100a Don Mattingly ERR: 10 H in '90, 1310 career H, .483 career SLG, .297 career BA
100b Don Mattingly COR: 101 H in '90, 1401 career H, .504 career SLG, .317 career BA
101a Rob Ducey VAR: reg symbol placed high in Blue Jays banner
101b Rob Ducey VAR: reg symbol centered in Blue Jays banner
116a Mark Davis VAR: ‘86 Giants misprinted: “CIANTS”
116b Mark Davis VAR: ‘86 Giants (hand-corrected G)
119a Carl Nichols VAR: Copyright line printed high, touches stat box
119b Carl Nichols VAR: Copyright printed lower
124a Randy Bush ERR: no sheet code before copyright on back
124b Randy Bush COR: D* sheet code before copyright on back
131a Checklist #1 ERR: #727 Phil Bradley Chicago White Sox
131b Checklist #1 COR: #717 Phil Bradley Chicago White Sox
155a Dwight Evans ERR: 162 games in 1982 led league
155b Dwight Evans COR: 162 games in 1982 tied for lead
167a Randy Tomlin ERR: "Harriburg"
167b Randy Tomlin COR: "Harrisburg"
233a Al Leiter VAR: E* F* print code before copyright on back
233b Al Leiter VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
236a Frank Tanana ERR: 269 strikeouts in 1975 tied
236b Frank Tanana COR: 269 strikeouts in 1975 led league
236c Frank Tanana VAR: 269 strikeouts in 1975 led lg., larger space under stat totals
270a Mark McGwire ERR: 1987 Slugging percentage is 618, should be .618
270b Mark McGwire COR: Slugging percentage .618 in 1987
277a Scott Coolbaugh VAR: Pink “feather” in cap
277b Scott Coolbaugh VAR: Pink “feather” partially removed
277c Scott Coolbaugh VAR: Pink “feather” entirely removed
279a Jose Gonzalez ERR: Photo actually Billy Bean; batting left-handed
279b Jose Gonzalez COR: Batting right-handed
306a Lonnie Smith ERR: 136 games in 1990, 1,270 games in career
306b Lonnie Smith COR: 135 games in 1990, 1,269 games in career
324a Ron Kittle ERR: "Ron set Comiskey Park record with 6 home runs…"
324b Ron Kittle COR: "Ron set Comiskey Park record with 7 home runs…"
326a Ken Patterson ERR: TM on front printed at top of banner
326b Ken Patterson COR: TM on front printed in middle of banner
337a Keith Comstock ERR: Cubs logo
337b Keith Comstock COR: Mariners logo
346a Jesse Orosco VAR: ‘84 Strikeouts has hand-done 85
346b Jesse Orosco VAR: ‘84 Strikeouts has correctly printed 85
366a Checklist #3 ERR: #19 Carl Nichols (Houston)
366b Checklist #3 COR: #119 Carl Nichols (Houston)
369a Steve Searcy ERR: TM on front printed at top of banner
369b Steve Searcy COR: TM on front printed in middle of banner
374a Larry Casain VAR: Blemishes on neck
374b Larry Casain VAR: Blemishes airbrushed white
378a Wilson Alvarez ERR: Missing stats 89 Port Charlotte and 90 Birmingham
378b Wilson Alvarez COR: Added 89 Port Charlotte and 90 Birmingham
385a Mickey Tettleton VAR: Top of inset border has yellow overprint
385b Mickey Tettleton VAR: Solid black inset border
445a Greg Swindell VAR: Reg symbol small, higher in Indians banner
445b Greg Swindell VAR: Reg symbol large, centered in Indians banner
454a Kevin Appier ERR: '90 Omaha line omitted
454b Kevin Appier COR: '90 Omaha line included
459a Tom Trebelhorn VAR: A* code before copyright
459b Tom Trebelhorn VAR: B* code before copyright
461a Robin Ventura VAR: Inner left line gray
461b Robin Ventura VAR: Inner left line red
461c Robin Ventura VAR: Inner left line gray with red overprint
479a Bob Patterson ERR: July strikeouts are -18
479b Bob Patterson COR: July strikeouts are 18
506a Darnell Coles VAR: ‘90 Mariners obscured
506b Darnell Coles VAR: ‘90 Mariners fixed
526a Moises Alou ERR: 37 runs in 1990 for Pirates, 41 runs in career
526b Moises Alou COR: 0 runs in 1990 for Pirates, 4 runs in career
527a Checklist #4 ERR: #719 Kevin McReynolds, #105 Keith Miller (New York NL)
527b Checklist #4 COR: #105 Kevin McReynolds, #719 Keith Miller (New York NL)
588a Mark Whiten ERR: Hand extends outside of left border
588b Mark Whiten COR: Hand stops at card border
593a Mike C. Walker ERR: Missing '90 Canton-Akron stat line
593b Mike C. Walker COR: Added '90 Canton-Akron
599a Greg Myers ERR: Missing 90 Syracuse stat line
599b Greg Myers COR: Added 90 Syracuse
603a Wes Chamberlain ERR: Photo actually Louie Meadows; bat on shoulder
603b Wes Chamberlain COR: Arms crossed on knees
610a Andres Galarraga VAR: white space where glove meets border
610b Andres Galarraga VAR: no space between glove and border
615a Bert Blyleven VAR: MAJ. LEA in smaller print under stats on back
615b Bert Blyleven VAR: MAJ. LEA in larger print under stats on back
656a Checklist #5 ERR: #348 V.Palacios
656b Checklist #5 ERR: #433 V.Palacios
656c Checklist #5 COR: #438 V.Palacios
674a Kevin Gross ERR: 89 bases on balls in 1988 tied
674b Kevin Gross COR: 89 bases on balls in 1988 led league
676a Scott Chiamparino VAR: E* F* print code before copyright on back
676b Scott Chiamparino VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
678a Mark Davidson VAR: Left side of stats (years) clipped off
678b Mark Davidson VAR: Correctly printed stats
683a Derek Lilliquist VAR: Reg symbol small, higher in Padres banner
683b Derek Lilliquist VAR: Reg symbol large, centered in Padres banner
685a Doug Drabek VAR: White inset border on front
685b Doug Drabek VAR: Black inset border on front
687a John Cerutti ERR: 4.46 ERA in 1990
687b John Cerutti COR: 4.76 ERA in 1990
692a Efrain Valdez ERR: Birthdate 6-11-66, two lines of text **UNVERIFIED**
692b Efrain Valdez COR: Birthdate 7-11-66, no lines of text
692c Efrain Valdez COR: Birthdate 7-11-66, two lines of text
695a Kevin Seitzer VAR: Top of inset border has yellow overprint
695b Kevin Seitzer VAR: Solid blue inset border
696a Steve Olin VAR: E* F* print code before copyright on back
696b Steve Olin VAR: F* print code before copyright on back
706a Brad Arnsberg ERR: 68.2 innings pitched in 1990, 144 innings pitched career
706b Brad Arnsberg COR: 62.2 innings pitched in 1990, 138 innings pitched career
724a David Segui VAR: Dark blue overprint on right side of inset border
724b David Segui VAR: Solid black inset border
730a Barry Larkin VAR: reg symbol printed lower in Reds banner
730b Barry Larkin VAR: reg symbol printed higher in Reds banner
780a Randy Myers ERR: 15 losses in career
780b Randy Myers COR: 19 losses in career

ALR-bishop 10-03-2020 07:24 AM

Thanks for posting the list Dylan

hockeyhockey 10-03-2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sthoemke (Post 1995499)
Get a black light, and sort out the bold logo glow backs, which have scarcity over common cards.

Also look for "A* B*" before copyright cards, which had very limited production. I routinely sell commons for $5+.

are the E*F* variations uncommon too? i have a bunch of them

jacksoncoupage 10-03-2020 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyhockey (Post 2022832)
are the E*F* variations uncommon too? i have a bunch of them

E*F* version is the common version. Al Leiter, Steve Olin, Scott Chiamparino, Tracy Jones and Cal Ripken Jr RB are the only known E*F* cards and the tougher version has just F* on back.

hockeyhockey 10-04-2020 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage (Post 2022886)
E*F* version is the common version. Al Leiter, Steve Olin, Scott Chiamparino, Tracy Jones and Cal Ripken Jr RB are the only known E*F* cards and the tougher version has just F* on back.

ahh, interesting, thanks for that. i'll have to check my ripken RB cards. didn't find any A*B* variations in the thousands of cards i recently opened.

Statfreak101 11-02-2020 02:31 PM

I pulled a Carl Everett 1991 Topps that has his hands over the border. I don't see this listed above though...it looks like it isn't the correct version.

ALR-bishop 11-02-2020 02:36 PM

Over the inner border or the outer border ? I think they are usually over the inner border

Statfreak101 11-02-2020 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2031465)
Over the inner border or the outer border ? I think they are usually over the inner border

Here you go.

https://ibb.co/s5CRgfm

I have also included the Ward card to show that the name on the card is double dye/offset. I pulled a handful of these that look like this where the player name is.

Also, pulled the Boyd one with the pink flag tip.

ALR-bishop 11-02-2020 03:18 PM

Are not all the Everett cards like that, much like the Ward foot ?

Statfreak101 11-02-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2031478)
Are not all the Everett cards like that ?

I don't know - probably, based on what I have seen. I don't know much about the 1991 Topps variations, so it was a question. Starting to get into them, though.

bnorth 11-02-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Statfreak101 (Post 2031479)
I don't know - probably, based on what I have seen. I don't know much about the 1991 Topps variations, so it was a question. Starting to get into them, though.

The Everett card is the way they all are. The print offset cards like that are worth less than a regular card unless they have a big print offset.


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