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LincolnVT 01-12-2021 06:22 AM

1952 Topps -- Card Gallery
 
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I've always wanted to see what other collectors / set builders have out there player by player. This has become increasing difficult to accomplish in person these days. Let's try to post a different 1952 Topps card each day so that we can share / view examples of our graded and non-graded gems. I'll start today off with card #188 Clarence Podbeilan. Let's see your copy! Someone else can pick a different card to share tomorrow.

Ethan

Exhibitman 01-12-2021 11:15 AM

Nice idea.

But I don't have one...

Republicaninmass 01-12-2021 12:05 PM

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Oc!

LincolnVT 01-12-2021 01:13 PM

52 Topps
 
Was hoping that each day we would focus on one card from the set and post each of our examples. Today woul be #188. Maybe that wasn't clear in my first post.

LincolnVT 01-12-2021 01:15 PM

52 Topps
 
Seeing that Jansen #5 is out there...let's focus on that card tomorrow / Wednesday.

ocjack 01-12-2021 01:21 PM

So, today only post Podbeilan cards and only post Jansen's tomorrow? Sort of like "whose is bigger?" lol

LincolnVT 01-12-2021 01:43 PM

52
 
Not exactly what I was thinking...more of an opportunity to see different examples, grades and variations of each card that are out there. Some of the beautiful commons in this set don't get enough attention in my opinion. But to answer your first question, yes one card from the set per day.

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Originally Posted by ocjack (Post 2055161)
So, today only post Podbeilan cards and only post Jansen's tomorrow? Sort of like "whose is bigger?" lol


ALR-bishop 01-12-2021 01:56 PM

Neat idea Ethan, but the odds of rules being followed in threads like these usually end up as slim and none. Maybe if you went in order, 1-407, with a new card every 2nd day people would be in a better position to know in advance which card to post for those 2 days. Just a thought

LincolnVT 01-12-2021 02:37 PM

You may be right...takes a bit of attention to detail. That said, I have confidence that we can come through. :)

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Neat idea Ethan, but the odds of rules being followed in threads like these usually end up as slim and none. Maybe if you went in order, 1-407, with a new card every 2nd day people would be in a better position to know in advance which card to post for those 2 days. Just a thought


Republicaninmass 01-12-2021 03:39 PM

Guess I was too excited seeing a 52 thread. Fixed

campyfan39 01-12-2021 03:50 PM

Ha. I was about to post my 52 Campy then I saw the discussion.
IMO doing it in numerical order is the only hope but even then its almost like a whose got the best type deal.

RCMcKenzie 01-12-2021 03:58 PM

188
 
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irv 01-12-2021 05:33 PM

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And my OC copy. I had a hard time finding a centered one so I chose this one instead. (I might actually have 2 now as I think I upgraded this one but didn't take a scan?)

LincolnVT 01-12-2021 05:47 PM

52
 
Nice cards folks! Seeing that someone already posted Jasen #5 earlier, let's see those tomorrow. After Jansen, we will try to follow whoever posts the "1952 Topps card of the day"...fun, right?

Tom S. 01-12-2021 06:30 PM

Ethan, here's mine.

I have a small cache of SGC graded 1952 Topps that I plan on cracking out sometime in the future, with the hopes of them crossing over for the PSA set that I recently started.

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...eous/76138/188https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...eous/76139/188

tedzan 01-12-2021 06:42 PM

1952 TOPPS cards
 
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Originally Posted by LincolnVT (Post 2055259)
Nice cards folks! Seeing that someone already posted Jasen #5 earlier, let's see those tomorrow. After Jansen, we will try to follow whoever posts the "1952 Topps card of the day"...fun, right?


Not fun.....but, quite tedious.

We have tried this before with T206 commons (alphabetically) in the pre-WWII section. And it dragged out for months. People lost interest in it.

Net54 guys (for the most part) prefer the freedom to post what cards they have (or desire to). Dictating to them what to post "turns them off".

Anyhow, if you insist on doing this in some sort of numerical order, then break it down by Series (starting with #1 - 80). And following with the
subsequent 5 - Series.

The cards in each Series are randomly posted (number-wise). And, you update the list for each Series as the cards are posted. I did exactly this
for the T206 HOFer's and it worked like a charm....and, the participants really enjoyed this method.

Series #2......81 - 130

Series #3.....131 - 190

Series #4.....191 - 250

Series #5.....251 - 310

Series #6.....311 - 407


TED Z

T206 Reference
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LincolnVT 01-12-2021 07:01 PM

That's fair. Let's start with # 1 Pafko tomorrow and work our way through the set one card / # per day. Show em if you've got em!

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2055289)
Not fun.....but, quite tedious.

We have tried this before with T206 commons (alphabetically) in the pre-WWII section. And it dragged out for months. People lost interest in it.

Net54 guys (for the most part) prefer the freedom to post what cards they have (or desire to). Dictating to them what to post "turns them off".

Anyhow, if you insist on doing this in some sort of numerical order, then break it down by Series (starting with #1 - 80). And following with the
subsequent 5 - Series.

The cards in each Series are randomly posted (number-wise). And, you update the list for each Series as the cards are posted. I did exactly this
for the T206 HOFer's and it worked like a charm....and, the participants really enjoyed this method.

Series #2......81 - 130

Series #3.....131 - 190

Series #4.....191 - 250

Series #5.....251 - 310

Series #6.....311 - 407


TED Z

T206 Reference
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111gecko 01-12-2021 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LincolnVT (Post 2055295)
That's fair. Let's start with # 1 Pafko tomorrow and work our way through the set one card / # per day. Show em if you've got em!

So red back or black backs.??? HAHAHAHA!!

jayshum 01-12-2021 08:17 PM

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Sounds like fun. I completed my set a long time ago so I haven't looked at most of the cards in quite a while. My set is probably G to VG. Here's my Podbielan. Some creases and not great centering.

riggs336 01-12-2021 09:25 PM

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Like the previous poster, I haven't seen Bud in quite a while. Some rough corners but he looks pretty good.

LincolnVT 01-13-2021 05:15 AM

1952 Topps # 1
 
So, the suggestion was made yesterday that we post our cards in numeric order in an effort to simplify things. This will also allow people to know what card will be posted the following day. So today will be #1 Pafko...tomorrow will be card #2 Runnels...so on and so forth. Great cards so far...thanks for sharing!

LincolnVT 01-13-2021 05:31 AM

Pafko
 
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Here is my card #1 (Pafko) example.

jayshum 01-13-2021 06:11 AM

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Here's a red and a black back Pafko.

smellthegum 01-13-2021 07:01 AM

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Cool, I'll play ... here's my red back Pafko:

irv 01-13-2021 01:28 PM

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My recent addition. A black backed Andy Pafko.

riggs336 01-13-2021 05:11 PM

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A pair of relatively raggedy Andys.

LincolnVT 01-13-2021 05:30 PM

Pafko
 
Great examples all!

LincolnVT 01-14-2021 06:15 AM

#2 -- Runnels
 
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My copy.

smellthegum 01-14-2021 07:21 AM

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My Runnels BB:

jayshum 01-14-2021 07:43 AM

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Here's what I have.

bobsbbcards 01-14-2021 08:21 AM

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...k-fMlVXwB8F2Za https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...c7kGn_5A0GN027

LincolnVT 01-14-2021 08:43 AM

52
 
I forgot to add, no cards should be shown that grade better than EX condition...they make my set look terrible. JUST KIDDING! Beautiful cards Bob!

riggs336 01-14-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2055819)
Here's what I have.

Just pretend I'm posting mine. They are dead ringers for Jay's in post #30.

irv 01-14-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LincolnVT (Post 2055797)
My copy.

Yours has top left and right corner pulls as well. It surprises me how many 52 have these.

bobsbbcards 01-14-2021 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LincolnVT (Post 2055835)
I forgot to add, no cards should be shown that grade better than EX condition...they make my set look terrible. JUST KIDDING! Beautiful cards Bob!

Fixed. :o

martingale 01-14-2021 07:37 PM

Happy with my specimen

https://i.imgur.com/fQuhgT4l.jpg

Republicaninmass 01-14-2021 07:45 PM

Mines I can live with the tilt https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c0555b8150.jpg

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thecomebacker 01-14-2021 11:38 PM

https://photos.smugmug.com/1952-Topp...2436A35D-L.jpg

LincolnVT 01-15-2021 05:22 AM

#3
 
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My copy.

smellthegum 01-15-2021 06:39 AM

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This one is a red back.

irv 01-15-2021 07:19 AM

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A PSA 3 black back.

jayshum 01-15-2021 08:57 AM

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Here's what I have.

RCMcKenzie 01-15-2021 12:29 PM

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riggs336 01-15-2021 07:11 PM

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Tandem Thompsons

thecomebacker 01-16-2021 12:43 AM

https://photos.smugmug.com/1952-Topp...FE46350E-L.jpg

LincolnVT 01-16-2021 06:15 AM

#4
 
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My copy. Great looking cards folks.

irv 01-16-2021 07:00 AM

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My copy. BB as well, IIRC?

smellthegum 01-16-2021 07:47 AM

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I'm jealous of the centering on those Lenhardts, guys. Here's my red back.

jayshum 01-16-2021 08:39 AM

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One of my Lenhardts has decent centering, the other not so much.

riggs336 01-16-2021 01:13 PM

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The cards aren't great but I always liked that Red Sox logo.

Republicaninmass 01-16-2021 01:44 PM

I'll take it https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2b350984f0.jpg

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thecomebacker 01-16-2021 06:00 PM

https://photos.smugmug.com/1952-Topp...74B140C6-L.jpg

smellthegum 01-17-2021 05:54 AM

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Jansen for day #5. This one's a black back.

LincolnVT 01-17-2021 06:17 AM

#5
 
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I wouldn't mind trying to find a nicer example, but still like this one.

jayshum 01-17-2021 07:37 AM

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I guess I never really looked at the cards that closely before, but there is definitely a consistent, noticeable difference in the coloring of the pictures between the red back and the black back card.

irv 01-17-2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2056827)
I guess I never really looked at the cards that closely before, but there is definitely a consistent, noticeable difference in the coloring of the pictures between the red back and the black back card.

If I read/understood it correctly, that is the number one reason why Sy Berger changed the first print run to white/red backs as he said the black backs made the fronts of the cards too dark. Some are definitely darker/worse than others but yes, there is a definite difference.

My BB Jansen.

jayshum 01-17-2021 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2056836)
If I read/understand it correctly, that is the number one reason why Sy Berger changed the first print run to white/red backs as he said the black backs made the fronts of the cards too dark. Some are definitely darker/worse than others but yes, there is a definite difference.

My BB Jansen.

Thanks, Dale. I had not heard that before.

irv 01-17-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2056864)
Thanks, Dale. I had not heard that before.

You're welcome. :)

Although this article doesn't specifically say Sy changed the back colors, in another article I read, that I can't currently find, it read that he did.

I also know I read a few articles, likely around 4-5 yrs ago, that read that black backs were more rare/more valuable than red backs but the general consensus with members on this site say that is not true.
I know some black back cards are way tougher than some red backed cards (pop report) so those will command a premium in high grade but I guess that is as far as it goes?

"Existing in both black-back and red-back variations, it’s apparent that the red-back cards consistently offer superior picture quality, leading to speculation that Topps was not happy with their first attempt and resolved to make improvements by increasing the quality while changing the reverse color to red as a sort of “clean slate” approach. The Johnny Sain and Joe Page “wrong back” errors (#48 and #49) exist only in black-back form as they were corrected before the switch to red; only the correct version exists on the red-back variety. All cards after the first series are in red-back form only. High grade specimens of the black-back cards are almost always scarcer then their corresponding red-backs, suggesting that the switch from black to red happened fairly early in the process and considerably fewer black-backs made it into circulation.
https://milehighcardco.com/blog/the-...-is-new-again/

Here's some other great stories about the 52 Topps cards, how they came to be and how they changed the hobby/card collecting forever.
Enjoy. :)

http://www.sportscardradio.com/1952-...intage-review/
https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...seball-cards-2
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...opps-baseball/
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...than-meets-eye

jayshum 01-17-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2056889)
You're welcome. :)

Although this article doesn't specifically say Sy changed the back colors, in another article I read, that I can't currently find, it read that he did.

I also know I read a few articles, likely around 4-5 yrs ago, that read that black backs were more rare/more valuable than red backs but the general consensus with members on this site say that is not true.
I know some black back cards are way tougher than some red backed cards (pop report) so those will command a premium in high grade but I guess that is as far as it goes?

"Existing in both black-back and red-back variations, it’s apparent that the red-back cards consistently offer superior picture quality, leading to speculation that Topps was not happy with their first attempt and resolved to make improvements by increasing the quality while changing the reverse color to red as a sort of “clean slate” approach. The Johnny Sain and Joe Page “wrong back” errors (#48 and #49) exist only in black-back form as they were corrected before the switch to red; only the correct version exists on the red-back variety. All cards after the first series are in red-back form only. High grade specimens of the black-back cards are almost always scarcer then their corresponding red-backs, suggesting that the switch from black to red happened fairly early in the process and considerably fewer black-backs made it into circulation.
https://milehighcardco.com/blog/the-...-is-new-again/

Here's some other great stories about the 52 Topps cards, how they came to be and how they changed the hobby/card collecting forever.
Enjoy. :)

http://www.sportscardradio.com/1952-...intage-review/
https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...seball-cards-2
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...opps-baseball/
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...than-meets-eye

From the PSA price guide website (see below), it actually says the red backs sell for a premium, but in the SCD, it says black backs used to sell for a premium but now they are basically the same so who knows what to believe.

Notes about 1952 Topps
First series 1-80 Red Back variations usually sell for approx. 15-20% more than the listed price

Vegas Cards 01-17-2021 01:34 PM

Definitely need to work on my '52 game. I've been watching this thread and waiting for my number to come up.

Anyway, here's mine. Anyone know why he's holding up 7 fingers? I see on the back it says he has 7 kids...

https://i.imgur.com/2SMMlkkm.jpg

RCMcKenzie 01-17-2021 02:57 PM

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one more than Jordan...

irv 01-17-2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2056946)
From the PSA price guide website (see below), it actually says the red backs sell for a premium, but in the SCD, it says black backs used to sell for a premium but now they are basically the same so who knows what to believe.

Notes about 1952 Topps
First series 1-80 Red Back variations usually sell for approx. 15-20% more than the listed price

I can't help but think that is a typo where they meant to type/write black instead?
With little, or next to nothing, written about print runs, it's highly unlikely we'll ever know what the black to red back printing ratio ever was? Like what I wrote above, I think, once upon a time, that black backs were slightly more expensive/viewed as more rare, but through the years, as more info likely came forward, that is no longer the case? :confused:

irv 01-17-2021 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Cards (Post 2056967)
Definitely need to work on my '52 game. I've been watching this thread and waiting for my number to come up.

Anyway, here's mine. Anyone know why he's holding up 7 fingers? I see on the back it says he has 7 kids...

http://boblemke.blogspot.com/2016/02...ocreative.html

riggs336 01-17-2021 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Cards (Post 2056967)
Definitely need to work on my '52 game. I've been watching this thread and waiting for my number to come up.

Anyway, here's mine. Anyone know why he's holding up 7 fingers? I see on the back it says he has 7 kids...

https://i.imgur.com/2SMMlkkm.jpg

I read that he had just had his seventh child when the picture was taken.

cardsagain74 01-17-2021 03:29 PM

Supposedly Jansen's arm was shot in his mid 30s after a few great seasons (over a five year period), but I'm wondering if his legs gave out instead w/ all those reproductive bedroom appearances

LincolnVT 01-17-2021 04:24 PM

Beautiful example!

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Originally Posted by Vegas Cards (Post 2056967)
Definitely need to work on my '52 game. I've been watching this thread and waiting for my number to come up.

Anyway, here's mine. Anyone know why he's holding up 7 fingers? I see on the back it says he has 7 kids...

https://i.imgur.com/2SMMlkkm.jpg


LincolnVT 01-18-2021 07:31 AM

1952 Topps -- #6
 
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Here is my copy.

irv 01-18-2021 07:55 AM

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Grady.

smellthegum 01-18-2021 08:52 AM

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My red back Hatton. On the list to upgrade to a better centered copy.

jayshum 01-18-2021 09:39 AM

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If I average my 2 out, they would be almost perfectly centered, at least on the fronts.

riggs336 01-18-2021 03:23 PM

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Saving scan time by posting a black back and a red front of Grady Edgebert Hatton, Jr., as I'm sure his mother called him.

irv 01-19-2021 06:45 AM

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Anyone have any 52 wrappers? Thought I'd add mine in now with Wayne as I'm not sure where it would actually fit in with this thread?

LincolnVT 01-19-2021 07:10 AM

52
 
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No wrapper here.

tedzan 01-19-2021 07:12 AM

1952
 
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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2057590)
Anyone have any 52 wrappers? Thought I'd add mine in now with Wayne as I'm not sure where it would actually fit in with this thread?


Here you go. Irv


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...wrapper100.jpg



And, a 1952 BOWMAN FootBall wrapper of the LARGE cards.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...perLarge25.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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Seven 01-19-2021 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by irv (Post 2057590)
Anyone have any 52 wrappers? Thought I'd add mine in now with Wayne as I'm not sure where it would actually fit in with this thread?

On the subject of Wrappers, I noticed this came up in a prior thread, is there a reliable way to purchase them? I've heard that people make counterfeit wrappers as well, so I would love to purchase a legitimate one. I'd assume one of the big companies slabs them.

smellthegum 01-19-2021 07:58 AM

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Here is my RB Terwilliger and wrapper artwork I recreated to have something to store with my set. I'll eventually get the real thing but this will have to do for now.

irv 01-19-2021 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 2057600)
Here you go. Irv


Nice wrappers, Ted, especially that 52! :)

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Originally Posted by Seven (Post 2057601)
On the subject of Wrappers, I noticed this came up in a prior thread, is there a reliable way to purchase them? I've heard that people make counterfeit wrappers as well, so I would love to purchase a legitimate one. I'd assume one of the big companies slabs them.

I know this has been brought up before, and just recently, but I honestly don't know anything other than to tell you to make sure you purchase from a reliable source.

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Originally Posted by smellthegum (Post 2057611)
Here is my RB Terwilliger and wrapper artwork I recreated to have something to store with my set. I'll eventually get the real thing but this will have to do for now.

Nice!

jayshum 01-19-2021 09:04 AM

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No wrappers for me, either.

riggs336 01-19-2021 11:56 AM

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Two Twigs: red back and black front.

ALR-bishop 01-19-2021 01:09 PM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albu...res/img125.jpg


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