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Siam Champions
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Mail day! Crazy to think that a year ago only a handful of these cards existed to be known. And a full set has yet to be accomplished. But I think I am very close. Need some help here as I know some of you are much more knowledgeable and have been around longer. I want to come up with a master set for the 1926 Siam Champions set (if possible). I know of 26 boxers. I believe there would be Dempsey, Braddock, Carpentier and Greb??? Let me know if you have any I don’t have listed. Thanks for looking.
Below is my checklist: Siam Champions Billy Wells Bombadier Wells Dave Shade Frank Goddard Mickey Walker Mike Honeyman Paolino Lew Paloso Pinky Mitchell Tom Milligan Alfred Baldock Joe Beckett Jack Humbeck Harry Wills Kid Lewis Battling Siki Tommy Loughrau Mike McTique Gene Tunney Jack Johnson Knut Larsen Ermine Spalla Tom Gibbons Rene De Vos Willie Herman Benny Leonard |
I have none of these, but what an impressive collection. Very cool to see that many at once.
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Would be interested to know the history of these and where they originated from. Siam? Are these from Asia?
Love that Harry Wills card. Would love to see the Greb also. |
Far as I know, they originated in Thailand. Most of the ones I've seen came out of Thailand directly (I got my first one from there) or via a UK seller. I had a big lot from the UK go missing in the infamous Jamaica, Queens, NY, mail center some years ago.
I corresponded with Martin Murray about this set several years ago and this was what he thought: "I do not think that this is of British origin, since otherwise many more would turn up over here. It is likely, as you surmise, that they were issued in a Far Eastern country and prepared there, for goods destined to be sold to Western visitors." The several I have are on your list. |
Thanks for sharing. I knew you had some and was curious to know your input. I am in negotiations for another lot of these cards. Both originated from the UK. From what I understand it was a British tobacco company but distributed in Vietnam. But that could be wrong as not much is known on these cards.
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One graded on SCP Auctions
Also called the Spaulding Sporting Champions 1926 there's one graded SGC50 on SCP Auctions https://catalog.scpauctions.com/1926...-LOT52112.aspx
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Quote:
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SGC...wrong so often...
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They went by your Book Adam
Hi Adam, they referenced your American Boxing Card book. 3rd Editon page 122. 1927 Spalding Champions.
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That's a 16-year-old book. Might want to try the updates; from the most recent one:
"A lot of these cards have been found over the last decade, but mostly baseball. They were issued with scrip to promote Spalding products. The cards can be found with biography backs and blank backed. Handcut cards are known as well since it appears that sheets of the set were issued. A few blank-backed strip cards with a very similar format have surfaced, attributed to Thailand. I believe that they are British made and destined for overseas" Besides, the cards are similar but clearly not from the same set when placed side by side: https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...20Milligan.JPGhttps://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20Dempsey.JPG There's also the little issue that a Johnson card has never been found on the uncut sheets of the Spalding cards. It's just a mistake by whoever sent in the card not knowing what it was and making an incorrect assumption, compounded by the people at SGC taking someone's word rather than doing some research. Doesn't mean it isn't a desirable card, just that the slab and the listing is wrong. |
Do any of the photos cross over between the 2 sets?
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As far as I know, the boxing subjects of the Spalding set are:
Georges Carpentier Jim Corbett Jack Delaney Jack Dempsey Tiger Flowers Tommy Gibbons Rocky Kansas Louis Kid Kaplan Fidel La Barba Pete Latzo Benny Leonard Sammy Mandell Mike Mctigue Tod Morgan Johnny Risko Chas P Rosenberg Dave Shade Young Stribling Gene Tunney Charlie White The only matches I see are Leonard and Tunney. The Tunney does not match: https://i.psacard.com/cardfacts/1926...1465.jpg?h=600 https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...20SGC%2080.JPG |
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