Returned cards from trimming scandal showing up on Ebay
That's right folks you can buy these altered, outed cards at an even HIGHER price than you would've paid for them at this time last year and they're still altered and still in PSA numeric holders. I know, I know you can't wait to get your hands on these.
Maybe this is why they should've gone back to PSA and not the seller! Blowout link with the cert #'s https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614 Ebay items with the same cert #'s https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Nap-La...AOSwo79f%7E6dL https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Walter...AOSwr2Bf%7E6aO Sharing someone else's discovery, can't take credit for spotting this. |
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It really was all just a big smokescreen. I wonder if the FBI agents who were supposedly at the Natty a couple years ago were paid actors.
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Sending them back to PSA would only be option #2, because they’d find a way to stand behind the grade, thus limiting their liability (altered or not). Best option would have been to send them to the FBI as evidence of fraud. These slime balls always have a way of wiggling off the hook. People need to start boycotting these sellers. :mad: |
I guess when we're told the seller is cooperating with the FBI I foolishly figure that the fraudulent cards aren't just being resold on the QT.
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So does Probstein know?
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Unfortunately I don’t think he really cares.....Why should he? Not like a lot has been done in the hobby to stop this. Card after card being doctored and what happens? There’s an even bigger wait to get a card graded.
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The most valuable card to me is one that shows very clearly there is no possible signs of trimming. Signs of edge wear on a 100+ year old card with wide borders carries a premium over skinny perfect borders.
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Terrible. I know how well documented this stuff has been on blowout, but I just don't understand how ebay, just doesn't care.
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Part of the problem...
Is that while it may be crystal clear to us and folks at blowout, I presume from a legal standpoint at best these cards are "alleged to have been altered", but not found so in a legal sense.
While I am no fan of nor choose to do business with Probstein or PWCC for reasons clearly called out in multiple threads here, there are clearly many who choose to ignore the facts and poor service in pursuit of stuff. |
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Joke's on all of you that are willing to pay 10x the price for the same card, just because it comes in a "PSA 8" holder instead of "PSA 2".
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Scott, you are saying the Lajoie and wajo have been called out as altered and then link the massive blowout thread. Which posts in that zillion-post thread contains the analysis of Lajoie and Wajo?
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PWCC's lawyer responded back to this thread on a different message board; figured it was worth posting here.
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That is not even remotely what is being suggested. I am stating, not suggesting, that cards that have been returned to the seller are now popping up for sale again. I personally know the previous owner of the Johnson card that was bought and returned. I have never mentioned any company or individual names in this thread other than PSA.
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Well, I'm not sure if he still has a Net54 account, but you could message him. I know there are plenty of cards still circulating, and even FOR SALE IN THE VAULT. So saying that PWCC is not doing it, is kind of BS in the first place. But I figured I'd put his post out there, and then shoot it down.
Why is PWCC still selling any cards submitted by Moser? Surely they have a list of his cert numbers and can check any submission against them? https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=281 I thought Brent was going to create a website with all questionable cards... you know, to help the honest customers of theirs... like they enjoy doing. Maybe it's coming Monday. |
To judge Brent's current hobby purity I would need to see a list of his current and recent consignors. I doubt anyone is going to give me such a list. :)
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Just awful
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Q: This Red Cobb may have been the same "trimmed 5" from a few months ago - or, are my eyes playing tricks on me?
-Brian May https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T20...wAAOSw97BgBgYU |
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Add: As to the Cobb, it's been in that holder for like 15 years, based on cert numbers. The Altered 5 was a Carolina Brights back and had much better centering. |
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I think much more blame needs to be put on the TPG's who have graded altered/trimmed cards. Too bad the TPG's don't take the high road and actively buy back these outed cards as part of their guarantee. We all understand the grading process isn't perfect and humans make mistakes, so why not just admit to the mistakes and make the marketplace more secure by taking these out of circulation?
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Nothing ever happens. Big investigation. Everyone waiting with bated breath for the indictments, arrests and jail time. Everyone be patient they say. The law works slowly. Yeah bunch of BS.
So the results are the doctors laugh and continue to create more trimmed cards. Remember the big T206 auto scandal? Yeah all those forgers are in jail. Yeah right. Time passed. What is it 2-4 years now? Just buy a laser and auto pen and you’re in business. Like I said BS and only ones care are the saps that got took or stuck with the cards. |
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How it got a 4 with that paper loss is another thing entirely. |
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You have to ask him nicely. He can deal with the card doctors and bad consignors but you'll need to extend him some courtesy. |
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