1972 Topps High Number Printing Question...
I'm slowly piecing together a 1972 Topps high number run in PSA 9* and want to make sure the #604 Checklist (for such a groovy set, the checklists were really a drag, man) that was printed along with them on the sheets is included. There are two versions of said checklist, where basically the copyright on back is either on the left-hand side or towards the center/right side. My notes indicate that it is most likely the left side version, but can anyone specifically verify that??
• Perhaps it's also possible that the print sheet layouts contained both versions?? And/or maybe the previous series' sheets also contained each version?? (See how deep this rabbit hole goes???) • In looking quickly at the POP reports, there are slightly less left-side cards than right-side in high grade, which would logically point to them being a part of the 'rarer' high series, but that doesn't really answer the question. • A quick search on ebay for "1972 Topps 604 PSA" comes back with basically 8 hits, and 7 of them are left side copyrights, which is odd. For sold auctions, four of the five cards were left siders. • My image searches were fruitless. Is there a high numbers full sheet picture out there somewhere that shows the backs? Anybody know for certain what the answer (if there actually is a certain answer) is to this riddle?? *If you have any to trade or possibly sell, hit me up and I'll send you my need list. Have quite a few PSA 8 and 9's to trade. |
1972 Topps High #s
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These are the only partials I've seen.
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1972 checklist question
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(Said in Charles Montgomery Burns' voice) Excellent!!
Thanks for that! If nothing else, it verifies that at least some of the checklists in the run had the copyright on the left. Wish there were more pieces around to see if the other checklists on the sheets had the same layout. |
1972 topps series 6 checklist
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That one (like the uncut sheet section) also has #782 Larry Stahl next to it. Now we just need to find other high numbers abutting a checklist **or actually semi-high cards abutting #604 to see where the copyright is** to drive this quest forward. |
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I believe logic dictates that we have at least a partial answer to the problem. The high number series is from #657-787, which encompasses 131 cards. Add in the #604 checklist (because, unlike the earlier series, the high numbers only included one checklist) and that makes it the standard number of 132 different cards that Topps usually printed in a series at the time (two of each for a total of 264).
When I look at all of the images of uncut full and partial 1972 sheets I've collected over the years, one thing is perfectly clear. Like other years, each individual card is always located next to the same card on the print sheets. Therefore, each series checklist is next to the same cards in the two places it occupies on those sheets. So, if #604 (left side copyright) in next to #782, it will always be found next to #782. The (probable) conclusion is only the #604 (left side copyright) was printed with the high numbers. Of course, we can't actually verify that the backs of the cards had no differences, but it seems likely they did not. We still don't know whether or not the semi-high series had both checklist copyright versions. Here are some of the images I've accumulated... Attachment 428362 Attachment 428363 Attachment 428364Attachment 428365 |
What's on the semi-high sheets for the high # checklist?
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wow, way back in the day that 1972 T Carew was such a hot card !...everybody needed it..price was crazy....and the Garvey a little bit too
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It is still possible that the 6th checklist, printed in the 5th printing run, had the copyright placed differently than the one printed in the 6th print run. Can't tell unless we see the back of that sheet which was posted.
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Here's what we still need to know... • Were only left-side checklists printed on the high number sheets, and only right-side checklists printed on the semi-high number sheets? • Were both left-side and right-side versions of the checklist printed on the high number sheets? • Were both left-side and right-side versions of the checklist printed on the semi-high number sheets? • Were both left-side and right-side versions of the checklist printed on only one of the sheets (semi-high or high) but NOT on the other? |
Not on subject per se, but I'm not able to see the images which are posted in this thread (yes, I'm logged in). It shows a little image of what looks like a torn photo with a alpha-numeric description of the image, but no image. Images are coming through clearly on other threads. Help? Would really love to be able to see these pics.
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Very interesting. I'm slowly doing the '72 set. Don't have a ton of high numbers yet, though I have one hell of a nice Hoyt Wilhelm. :)
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High number myth?
If I might ask about High Numbers in general, were they really produced in smaller quantities or harder to obtain? or is it a myth that gives fodder to people who want to sell them for more than Lower Numbers?
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Besides the infamous '52 Topps set, I think most collectors would agree that the '66 and '67 sets have the toughest high numbers. Even commons there in nice shape can go for fairly ridiculous prices. But compare those to say, 1961 or 1963 Topps - and the earlier cards aren't really that bad. Even the '61 Topps All Stars for the most part aren't super expensive, and they are all high numbers. |
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