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mattjc1983 04-06-2017 10:33 PM
"755" a rare inscription?
 
I've managed to pick up a few cool certified inscription balls over the last few years: Rose 4256, Ryan 5714, and Henderson 1406 (this last one took a while to find the right ball at the right price).

I'm now struggling with Aaron. I've got a Steiner Aaron ball (from eBay as I rarely pay the extra Steiner markup) but I'd like to upgrade to one with a 755 inscription. Have yet to see one on eBay that isn't at least $150-200 more than the non-inscribed, and Steiner wants $600 for theirs.

Anyone know, does he just rarely do that inscription, or am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks in advance.


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Scott Garner 04-07-2017 03:55 AM
Matt,
It seems to me that I recall that Hank Aaron would not add the "755" inscription to his autograph at shows. Perhaps that's why finding balls with that added inscription is more challenging. Just sayin'...

Klrdds 04-07-2017 08:39 AM
Living in the Atlanta area for over 30 years and going to shows in Atlanta and New York and Nationals, and knowing dealers who did private signings with Aaron and having done a private signing for some dealers and me a few times Aaron never consented to add 755 to any items . Now this was back in the 80s and 90s but I have heard that this is still the case.
He did add 755 to a limited number of the original 500 HR Ron Lewis posters if others had added their HR totals but that was rare because Mays was always hesitant to add his HR total without charging an enormous amount of extra money to do it.
But yes baseballs with the added 755 inscription are hard to find and do have a premium but they are out there.

Mr. Zipper 04-07-2017 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Klrdds (Post 1648486)
Living in the Atlanta area for over 30 years and going to shows in Atlanta and New York and Nationals, and knowing dealers who did private signings with Aaron and having done a private signing for some dealers and me a few times Aaron never consented to add 755 to any items . Now this was back in the 80s and 90s but I have heard that this is still the case.
He did add 755 to a limited number of the original 500 HR Ron Lewis posters if others had added their HR totals but that was rare because Mays was always hesitant to add his HR total without charging an enormous amount of extra money to do it.
But yes baseballs with the added 755 inscription are hard to find and do have a premium but they are out there.
Why was this? Strictly a play to be able to charge a high premium for the "755" or was there some other reason?

mattjc1983 04-07-2017 01:44 PM
"755" a rare inscription?
 
Thanks for the replies. It's interesting to think about. You'd think that the HR King would proudly declare it on everything he signed.

I'm wondering the same thing as Steve, is the rarity because he simply asked more for it, or because he flat out refused? Because if he simply charged more for it, I think most people would have paid it being how big a deal that # is. So that doesn't seem to explain the scarcity, at least in my uneducated opinion :)


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packs 04-07-2017 02:00 PM
He might not have such fond memories of setting his record considering it was shrouded in racist sentiments directed towards him.

mattjc1983 04-07-2017 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1648567)
He might not have such fond memories of setting his record considering it was shrouded in racist sentiments directed towards him.


Touché.


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ATP 04-07-2017 06:12 PM
I am pretty sure someone just had one for sale on the BST that was signed and inscribed with I think "755" and "HR KING" but I can't find it now.

Kco 04-07-2017 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mattjc1983 (Post 1648564)
Thanks for the replies. It's interesting to think about. You'd think that the HR King would proudly declare it on everything he signed.

I'm wondering the same thing as Steve, is the rarity because he simply asked more for it, or because he flat out refused? Because if he simply charged more for it, I think most people would have paid it being how big a deal that # is. So that doesn't seem to explain the scarcity, at least in my uneducated opinion :)


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At Steiner we did several sit down signings with Aaron during my 9+ years there. In private settings he would write 755 or HOF inscriptions but only in small numbers and, yes, for a substantial premium. As he got older he frequently deny doing anything other than straight signatures. Its not uncommon for dealers, who get him on a good day where he is willing to sign inscriptions to pay Aaron 2 or 3x for the added inscription vs a straight signature. He makes his living on doing signings and made far more money post career doing signings and appearances, a lot like Mays did, both are tough inscriptions though May was more accommodating in a private setting so long as he was paid for it.

At this stage of life Aaron likely hasn't done any or very, very few inscriptions in the past few years

These older guys have always had a chip on their shoulder because of how much less their salaries for playing ball vs current stars and even vs many players that played in that era were so they use it as leverage in signing situations to cash in.

Hope that info helps some

Klrdds 04-07-2017 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kco (Post 1648706)
These older guys have always had a chip on their shoulder because of how much less their salaries for playing ball vs current stars and even vs many players that played in that era were so they use it as leverage in signing situations to cash in.
I agree with you but also at the time other collectors and dealers and I were dealing with Aaron in the 80s and 90s Mickey Mantle , and Ted Williams were the heavy hitters and the high dollar 500 HR autographs and there was obvious resentment from Mays and Aaron about that . Also Mantle and Williams were not easy to get their HR totals added to items also . They charged extra also unless you got them on a good day or in a private signing setting .

Klrdds 04-07-2017 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper (Post 1648549)
Why was this? Strictly a play to be able to charge a high premium for the "755" or was there some other reason?
The reason was twofold .
One was to get more money and two was to just be difficult in order to prove to the collectors that they were in control of what the collectors wanted and would pay for . In other words ego .
At the time there was no trouble getting the players to add HR inscriptions but when the 500 HR club became popular and collectible in the late 80s whether individually or as a group the players realized they could make more money by charging for it and Mays and Aaron took advantage of it . Give them credit by limiting their inscriptions ( HR, HoF year , MVP year, AS years, Full name , Nickname ,etc..) they created a mini - rarity for the collectors as opposed to other players with the exception of Joe DiMaggio , who knew what income could be generated by signing limited inscriptions . Joe's was money pure plain and simple not ego .
I really have no idea what is occurring in the market with other players and inscriptions now except that Mays and Aaron have continued their policy .

mattjc1983 04-08-2017 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Kco (Post 1648706)
At Steiner we did several sit down signings with Aaron during my 9+ years there. In private settings he would write 755 or HOF inscriptions but only in small numbers and, yes, for a substantial premium. As he got older he frequently deny doing anything other than straight signatures. Its not uncommon for dealers, who get him on a good day where he is willing to sign inscriptions to pay Aaron 2 or 3x for the added inscription vs a straight signature. He makes his living on doing signings and made far more money post career doing signings and appearances, a lot like Mays did, both are tough inscriptions though May was more accommodating in a private setting so long as he was paid for it.



At this stage of life Aaron likely hasn't done any or very, very few inscriptions in the past few years



These older guys have always had a chip on their shoulder because of how much less their salaries for playing ball vs current stars and even vs many players that played in that era were so they use it as leverage in signing situations to cash in.



Hope that info helps some


2-3x, wow. Explains the premium even on the secondary market. Thanks for the info! I'd love to hear more about your time at Steiner sometime.


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canjond 04-10-2017 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ATP (Post 1648654)
I am pretty sure someone just had one for sale on the BST that was signed and inscribed with I think "755" and "HR KING" but I can't find it now.
Just saw this thread now as I was posting in the new pick-ups section. I had purchased the Aaron ball that was for sale, mainly due to how cool the inscriptions were.

mattjc1983 04-10-2017 06:52 PM
^saw it, awesome ball.


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