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Gobucsmagic74 09-16-2019 09:19 AM

FS: 1984-85 Star Michael Jordan #101 - BGS 8.5
 
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Tremendous subs (8, 8.5, 9.5, 10). .5 away from BGS 9. Asking $8950 delivered via Paypal FF

JP 09-21-2019 11:37 PM

Just a friendly heads up. This isn’t .5 from a BGS 9. You would need centering and corners to both bump up .5 to get a BGS 9.

smrtn240 09-22-2019 08:27 AM

8.75

Peter_Spaeth 09-22-2019 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 1918557)
Just a friendly heads up. This isn’t .5 from a BGS 9. You would need centering and corners to both bump up .5 to get a BGS 9.

Two 8.5s a 9.5 and a 10 doesn't get you to a 9? If you're right then it's the same overall grade as four 8.5s, that doesn't sound right.

bounce 09-22-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1918601)
Two 8.5s a 9.5 and a 10 doesn't get you to a 9? If you're right then it's the same overall grade as four 8.5s, that doesn't sound right.

I think centering and corners carry a "heavier" weight than surface and edges.

hopefully someone can chime in on this that knows, but it's definitely not just an "average" of the subgrades. there are some other "rules" to how the overall grade is determined.

also, particularly on cards like this one, the subgrades actually do change the value even where the overall grade is the same, i.e. this card very likely would NOT price the same as one with four 8.5 subgrades. that's one somewhat weird thing about BGS cards.

rats60 09-22-2019 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1918601)
Two 8.5s a 9.5 and a 10 doesn't get you to a 9? If you're right then it's the same overall grade as four 8.5s, that doesn't sound right.

You cannot get a 9 when you have 2 sub grades lower than 9. You have to have to have 3 of the 4 sub grades be 9 or higher to get a 9. An 8.5 with 2 8.5s and 2 higher is going to sell for more than one with all 8.5s, but less than a 9 with one 8.5, even if the total of all 4 grades is more. Think of it this way, if you have a card that is perfect except it has 6 centering, it is not going to be mint (average of 4 grades), but much less (NM in this case) because you look at the worst defects to access a card's grade. It is no different than PSA attaching an OC qualifier to the above card dragging it down 2 grades (or more value wise).

Peter_Spaeth 09-22-2019 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1918622)
You cannot get a 9 when you have 2 sub grades lower than 9. You have to have to have 3 of the 4 sub grades be 9 or higher to get a 9. An 8.5 with 2 8.5s and 2 higher is going to sell for more than one with all 8.5s, but less than a 9 with one 8.5, even if the total of all 4 grades is more. Think of it this way, if you have a card that is perfect except it has 6 centering, it is not going to be mint (average of 4 grades), but much less (NM in this case) because you look at the worst defects to access a card's grade. It is no different than PSA attaching an OC qualifier to the above card dragging it down 2 grades (or more value wise).

Got it, thank you for the explanation.


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