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carlsonjok 03-21-2021 02:28 PM

SGC Grading - 1963 Topps Aaron
 
I don't plan on selling this card, but I have to ask about WTH SGC is thinking.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LWdJs18uQ...0/1963_390.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aiTjnhdQ2...6/IMG_4416.jpg
I get that the surface defects are causing the card to be downgraded, but given the centering and the crisp edges and corners it would seem to fall under their criteria for a 5:

80/20 or better centering, minor rounding or fuzzing of corners, roughness or chipping along edge (no layering), one VERY slight surface or "spider" crease may exist on one side of the card, gloss may be lost from surface with some scratching that does not detract from the aesthetics of the card.


Am I wrong here?

pokerplyr80 03-21-2021 02:36 PM

I figured you were going to say it was over graded until I read your comments. Looks like severe surface issues to me. 1.5-2 would have been my guess on the grade.

Eddiez 03-21-2021 02:41 PM

Aaron
 
You probably did good getting that grade. I would have guessed it would grade 1 to 1.5 with the surface issues. Still a good card to have.

GasHouseGang 03-21-2021 02:59 PM

Sorry, but I'd be very upset if I bought that as a 5. Just sayin'

carlsonjok 03-21-2021 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang (Post 2083850)
Sorry, but I'd be very upset if I bought that as a 5. Just sayin'

I didn't. I won it in a group break already graded, so it cost me a whopping $15. It is more a point of curiosity, as the surface blemishes aren't particularly noticeable unless you examine it at an angle under a bright light. I'm going to hang on to it, in case I ever start a 1963 set, though that Rose RC is intimidating.

bigfish 03-21-2021 04:26 PM

the grade looks to be spot on
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddiez (Post 2083844)
You probably did good getting that grade. I would have guessed it would grade 1 to 1.5 with the surface issues. Still a good card to have.


Agree.

I think you got a 2.5 because of eye appeal. They got it right.

ASF123 03-21-2021 05:21 PM

Quote:

It is more a point of curiosity, as the surface blemishes aren't particularly noticeable unless you examine it at an angle under a bright light.
It has a flaw that’s visible without magnification?? Off with its head!!

Gorditadogg 03-21-2021 10:02 PM

That card has hail damage.

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dio 03-21-2021 10:34 PM

a fair grade i would say

Joeybats 03-22-2021 07:19 AM

1963 Aaron
 
Agree with the others...but it has a nice personality :D

Tyruscobb 03-22-2021 10:01 AM

If you think that card is a 5.0, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn, as well as some Florida swamp land, I'd like to sell you. ;) :D

2.5 is about right. I think a 2.0 is even potentially justified.

packs 03-22-2021 10:20 AM

I think the card is over graded but presents well anyway.

JollyElm 03-22-2021 10:28 AM

Tough crowd.

carlsonjok 03-22-2021 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb (Post 2084125)
If you think that card is a 5.0, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn, as well as some Florida swamp land, I'd like to sell you. ;) :D

2.5 is about right. I think a 2.0 is even potentially justified.

I am by no means a grading expert. My set building is strictly raw cards. I just looked at the grade description at the SGC site and it seemed to fit. But, I am now edumacated gooder.

But, to your offer, I was thinking about investing in real estate. PM me, man.

mintacular 03-22-2021 05:03 PM

Poot
 
Poor or fair. 2.5 generous. Certain issues like this should garner automatic poor or fair designation , the other factors don't matter in terms of technical grade. If you want to say the other nicer qualities add eye appeal so be it

Tere1071 03-22-2021 05:52 PM

This is a problem with many cards that appear on eBay. When I scroll through and see a card described as "excellent," which is the condition I try to collect, I find cards with rounded corners, creases, and other forms of damage which is annoying. Even on the collector forums collectors complain if their card gets fails to receive the desired grade. So, I wonder if it is due to knowing how to accurately grade a card, wishful thinking, trying to get a top price or a combination of all of these factors.

Gorditadogg 03-22-2021 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tere1071 (Post 2084313)
This is a problem with many cards that appear on eBay. When I scroll through and see a card described as "excellent," which is the condition I try to collect I find cards with rounded corners, creases, and other forms of damage which is annoying. Even on the collector forums collectors complain if their card gets a desired grade. So, I wonder if it is due to knowing how to accurately grade a card, wishful thinking, trying to get a top price or a combination of all of these factors.

Phil, I like to think of it as there are a lot of optimistic graders in this world.

tjenkins 03-22-2021 08:47 PM

Personally, I think you got a break with a 2.5. That card is one I absolutely would not want but thats just me.

todeen 03-22-2021 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg (Post 2084019)
That card has hail damage.

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That card is a Butter Face. Everything's nice, but 'er face.

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Tere1071 03-23-2021 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg (Post 2084362)
Phil, I like to think of it as there are a lot of optimistic graders in this world.

Optimistic or delusional? It's a fine line.

carlsonjok 03-23-2021 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjenkins (Post 2084380)
Personally, I think you got a break with a 2.5. That card is one I absolutely would not want but thats just me.

I am quite happy with it, but some of us have to limit ourselves to the shallow end of the hobby pool.

todeen 03-23-2021 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlsonjok (Post 2084444)
I am quite happy with it, but some of us have to limit ourselves to the shallow end of the hobby pool.

Aside from my joke earlier, I would be happy with it too! Cards that have imperfections don't really bother me, especially imperfections that are only visible when light reflects off of them at a certain angle. For only $15, it's a card worth having. Congrats.

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jchcollins 03-24-2021 09:10 AM

I would say that is accurately graded based on the surface. Remember, technical grade does not equal eye appeal. This card is a prime example of that.


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