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Tobacco Doubleheaders - Show your T205/T206 portrait cards of players in both sets
The Tobacco Triple Crown thread I started a few months ago of players seen in each of the T205, T206 and T207 sets was fun, so I thought I would try another one. The last one received decent participation, and I assume this one will get more action since it is restricted to just the T205 and T206 sets. This one has an additional twist as it will only involve players who have portrait cards in both the T205 and T206 sets (thus the Doubleheader moniker).
Below is the list of the 69 players with Doubleheader portrait cards in both the T205 and T206 sets. Show what you have, and let me know if I missed any. I will put an asterisk by the players who have had their portrait pairs portrayed. No action pose T206 cards need apply. Your T205/T206 Tobacco Doubleheader Portrait List: Red Ames * Cy Barger Jack Barry Chief Bender * Bob Bescher * Roger Bresnahan * Al Bridwell * Mordecai Brown * Howie Camnitz * Frank Chance * Hal Chase * Fred Clarke Ty Cobb * Eddie Collins * Doc Crandall * Lou Criger * Bill Dahlen Art Devlin * Red Dooin * Mickey Doolan Patsy Dougherty * Larry Doyle * Jimmy Dygert Dick Egan * Kid Elberfield * Johnny Evers George Gibson * Clark Griffith * Buck Herzog * Miller Huggins * Hugh Jennings Walter Johnson * Addie Joss Ed Killian * Johnny Kling * Jack Knight * Harry Krause * Arlie Latham * Tommy Leach * Hans Lobert * Sherry Magee * Rube Marquard Christy Mathewson * Al Mattern * John McGraw Matty McIntyre * Fred Merkle * Chief Meyers * George Mullin Red Murray * Charles O'Leary * Orval Overall Fred Parent * Nap Rucker * Admiral Schlei * Boss Schmidt Bud Sharpe Harry Steinfeldt * George Stone * George Stovall * Gabby Street * Joe Tinker * John Titus * Terry Turner Bobby Wallace * Ed Walsh * Doc White * Hooks Wiltse * Cy Young * Brian |
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Here is the Tobacco Doubleheader of Red Dooin to start off the festivities.
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Cobb double-header
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Here's Tinker
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Hal Chase
Are we limited to posting one Double-header per day, or what ?
Whatever, here are my Hal Chase cards. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUx50b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...5Sovereign.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...SovereignB.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Nice cards folks! Brian |
The Tabasco Kid -- my wife can be rantankerous!
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Norman A. "Kid" Elberfeld. "The Tabasco Kid". Shortstop for the Washington Senators 1910-1911. 1,235 hits, 10 home runs, and 213 stolen bases in 14 MLB seasons. Fiery temper involved him in numerous ferocious arguments and assaults on umpires. Managed the New York Highlanders in 1908. Debuted with the Philadelphia Phillies in 1898. Had a career OBP of .355 and 7 MLB seasons with at least 500 plate appearances.
From Elberfeld's SABR biography: Kid Elberfeld, called “the dirtiest, scrappiest, most pestiferous, most rantankerous [sic], most rambunctious ball player that ever stood on spikes” for his vicious arguments on the diamond, patterned his combative style after that of his favorite team, the Baltimore Orioles of the mid-1890s. He believed, like those Oriole players, that an umpire should be kept in his place, and that what happened behind an arbiter’s back was none of his business. But, when Elberfeld kept his volatile temper in check, he was also an “ideal infielder–full of ginger.” Called by George Stallings one of the two best shortstops in baseball, his throwing arm was “cyclonic,” and, though only 5’7,” 158 lbs., he was fearless in turning the double play. Not surprisingly, he was frequently spiked, and by 1907 wore a whalebone shin guard on his right leg for protection. He was also one of the best hitting shortstops of his day, with a career .271 average, and a master at getting hit by close pitches. He perfected the art of angling his body in toward the plate, holding his arms in such as way as to take only a glancing blow while simultaneously appearing to make an honest attempt to avoid the pitch, and then, for effect, shouting and gesticulating at the pitcher. He became so adept at this that he still ranks 13th on the career hit by pitch list, with 165. https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1633598129 https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1633598142 |
Big Ed's T205 and doppelgänger T206.
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...ofs/78506/t205 https://www.collectorfocus.com/image.../t206-ed-walsh |
Doc Crandall had a very respectable pitching career (W-L = 102 - 62). His best year (noted in his T205 bio) was in 1910....17 - 4.
Plus, he was a pretty good hitter (BA = .285) https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...uCrandallA.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...uCrandallB.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...andallT205.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ndallT205b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
Hi Brian
Charles "Buck" Herzog I think qualifies to be on your list. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...erzogSGC45.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...UZITx37b_1.jpg . . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...HerzogT205.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...erzogT205b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Always appreciate the biographical writeups George...it does make the cardboard come alive.
It is neat to see how the two sets handled a player's face. In fact I thought it would be helpful to collectors who are on the fence on what set they might like to collect to get side by side comparisons. Here is the Doubleheader of Johnny Kling. His T206 is one of my favorite portraits, and I love the deep color of the two tone background. But his T205 is interesting too, as it shows more 'character' in his face. Brian |
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Ted, I think you will recognize one of these Sovereign cards.
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The Old Fox
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Clark C. "The Old Fox" Griffith. Pitcher for the Washington Senators in 1912-1914. Debuted with the St. Louis Browns in 1891. 237 wins and 8 saves in 20 MLB seasons. Was 1898 MLB ERA leader. Managed the Chicago White Stockings (1901-1902), the New York Highlanders (1903-1908), the Cincinnati Reds (1909-1911), and the Washington Senators (1912-1920). Was principal owner of the Washington Senators from 1920 until his death in 1955. In 1946, was inducted to the MLB Hall of Fame.
From Griffith's SABR biography: Never a power pitcher, Clark relied on wiles and control to get batters out, utilizing a variety of breaking balls, trick pitches, and deceptive deliveries to befuddle his opponents. A master of the quick pitch, he would toss a strike over the plate before the batter was set. He claimed to have invented the screwball while pitching on the West Coast in the early 1890s, and often experimented with the effects of friction on a pitched ball. One of his favorite tricks was to openly deface a new ball by gouging it on his spikes. Though the umpires often did nothing to discourage this, the Detroit club, after one particularly destructive game, presented Griff with a bill for eleven new baseballs. After his playing days were over, he claimed to have never thrown a spitball during his career, but it is difficult to believe he would have ignored any opportunity to gain advantage over a batter. “He was the first real master of slow ball pitching, of control reduced to a science, of using his head to outwit batters,” said long-time New York sportswriter William B. Hanna. Chicago teammate Jimmy Callahan opined, “I will hand it unreservedly to [Christy] Mathewson as one of the greatest pitchers who ever lived. But I think that old Clark Griffith, in his prime, was cagier, a more crafty, if not a more brainy, proposition.” Besides becoming a star pitcher, Clark also learned a thing or two about the business and politics of baseball and developed into a leader. He was the main catalyst in the April 1900 formation of the Ball Players Protective Association, an organization that didn’t accomplish much in the area of players’ rights, but one that played an important part in the successful launching of the American League. Near the end of the 1900 season, in which he won only 14 games, Clark met with Ban Johnson and his old friend Comiskey to discuss the possibility of Johnson’s American League challenging the National League as a new major league. Comiskey and Johnson were clearly supportive of the notion, but feared, due to a lack of players, that it would be unsuccessful. Griff assured them he could get the players and advised them to wait until the owners meeting in December to do anything. When the National League turned down an Association petition for better pay, he had the ammunition he needed to recruit players for the new league. Immediately going to work, he single-handedly convinced many NL stars to sign AL contracts. Of 40 players targeted by the American League to form the foundation of its rosters, Clark claimed to have signed all but one: Honus Wagner. Comiskey, in turn, signed Clark to manage his Chicago White Sox. https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1633689921 https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1633689926 |
George Wiltse
Rare PIEDMONT #42 https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...05earsP42b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...seT205ears.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tseT205ear.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...0WiltseCap.jpg. . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...seUZITx25x.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont150.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...WiltseCapB.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ize/uzit_1.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Here is the dynamic Tommy Leach duo.
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Gabby Street
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Charles E. "Gabby" Street. "The Old Sarge". Catcher for the Washington Senators in 1908-1911. 312 hits and 2 home runs in 8 MLB seasons. Debuted with the Cincinnati Reds in 1904. Caught ball dropped from top of Washington Monument. Holds MLB record for longest gap between MLB games at 19 years -- 1912-1931. Managed the St. Louis Cardinals in 1929 and 1930-1933, including the 1931 World Series championship. Managed the St. Louis Browns in 1938.
From Street's SABR biography: Persistence paid off for Street, and his contract was sold to the Washington Senators. Of the 504 games Street played in the major leagues, 429 were over the next four years (1908-11) with Washington. His calling card was his defense, as he led the league in putouts and double plays in both 1908 and 1909. In 1910 he was atop his peers with a fielding percentage of .978. In today’s vernacular Street’s batting average would be characterized as worthy of the “Mendoza Line,” as his average with the Senators was a meek .210. Catchers of the day were never expected to hit that well, and in any event Washington was not fielding a championship team in those years, finishing no better than seventh place in the American League and no closer than 22½ games back of the pennant winner. Importantly, Walter Johnson favored Street, acknowledging him as a first-rate catcher. “He always kept the pitcher in good spirits with his continual chatter of sense and nonsense,” said the Big Train. “ ‘Ease up on this fellow, Walter, he has a wife and two kids,’ he would call jokingly when some batter was hugging the plate and getting a toehold for a crack at one of my fast ones. ‘This fellow hasn’t had a hit off you since you joined the league,’ might be his next remark and so on throughout the game.” On April 14, 1911, Cleveland pitcher Addie Joss died at 31 of tubercular meningitis. Joss, who was one of the great pitchers of the Deadball Era, or any era for that matter, was also well-respected and well-liked by his peers. His Cleveland teammates began to canvass other American League players to play in a game to raise funds for Joss’s widow, Lillian, and her two children. The game was played on July 24, 1911, at Cleveland’s League Park. It was an unofficial “All-Star Game” that predated Arch Ward’s concept by 22 years. It was also one of the greatest collections of baseball talent as the Cleveland Naps took on the American League stars. The Naps were led by Joe Jackson, Napoleon Lajoie, and Jack Graney. The All-Stars were rightly named; they included Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Sam Crawford, Frank Baker, Eddie Collins, Hal Chase, and Walter Johnson. Street volunteered to participate. “As far as I am concerned, that outfit can stand as the all-star team of all time, outside of the backstop of course,” He said. “I didn’t need to be good with that bunch. Cy Young started on the mound for Cleveland as I recall it and he was still pretty good for an old fellow, but these fellows just blasted him.” Attendance for the game was reported to be 15,270, and $12,914 was raised for Lillian Joss. https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1633795298 https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1633795302 |
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Here is the Doubleheader of Nap Rucker (as a reminder, a Doubleheader consists of the portrait cards of a player in both the T205 and T206 sets).
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Here is a conglomeration of Leon's T206 and Tony's T205 to achieve the true Tobacco Doubleheader effect.
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Gold and Green George Schlei T205 cards
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...PIEDMONT42.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...5xSchlei50.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...IEDMONT42b.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...xSchlei50b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ortraitCap.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...PortraitBk.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
Eddie Collins
Connie Mack recruited most of his ballplayers from College. Connie felt that they were smarter, and had better training than players from the Minor Leagues. Eddie Collins, a graduate of Columbia University, joined the Philadelphia A's Sept 16, 1906. Eddie's 25-year career BA = .333 https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...smiscut50x.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...insWCbk50x.jpg SWEET CAPORAL 350/25 https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...llinsSCx25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...dCollins25.jpg . ------------------------------------https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Collins50b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Kindred Spirits we are Leon ;) Nice bookend T205 Cobbies.
I haven't seen Mr Brown represented yet. Here he is.... https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...ofs/75958/t205 https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...mordecai-brown |
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Here is an example of a player I clearly prefer one card over the other. The T206 of Steinfeldt is one of the set's nice, aesthetically pleasing portraits, whereas the T205 is a little too in your face...one of those close talkers Jerry Seinfeld disliked on his show.
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Tommie Leach
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T205 / T206 double-header portraits
Brian
Add Chief Meyers to your Double-Header list. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...60Meyers_1.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...0MeyersB_1.jpg HASSAN factory #649 https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...5Hassan649.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Here's Bridwell. I'll need to get the scanner warming up in the bullpen to post some more.
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Bobby Wallace represented -
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...ofs/76196/t205 https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...-bobby-wallace |
John Bernard "Hans" Lobert....was one of fastest base runners in Baseball. He proved this by winning the 100 yard dash versus Jim Thorpe at the Polo Grounds in 1913.
Lobert's T205 card was printed in the group that I refer to as the A - B - C - D connection. This 32-card group of T205's includes 11 (or 12) Tobacco advertisement backs. Lobert's DRUM card has yet to be confirmed. Although, I expect that his DRUM card will eventually be discovered. For now it appears that my run is nearing completion. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...VEREIGN150.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...EREIGN150b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BLobert50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LLobert50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CYCLEx50xx.jpg --http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BLobert50b.jpg----http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LLobert50b.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CYCLEx50bx.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ntSweetCap.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tPolarBear.jpg .https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tSweetCapB.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...PolarBearB.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ongCutT205.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...vereign25x.jpg .https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rtHonestLC.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ereign25xb.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Nice cards everyone...keep up the good work. As a reminder, no overtime is permitted (unless it is off the clock).
Here's Charles O'Leary's two tobacco heads. Brian |
Howie Camnitz
Rare PIEDMONT factory #42 https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...dmont42b_1.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...zEPDGsgc60.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...EPDGsgc40b.jpg Brian.....I think Camnitz belongs on you list, since you have Gibson (similar T206 type portrait) on your original list. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Roger Bresnahan in the house -
https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...ofs/77947/t205 https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...oger-bresnahan |
I only have Cobby in T205 but I do have Bressy in T206....
I will take this miss cut all day long. https://luckeycards.com/bres.jpg |
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Hi Leon Your Bresnahan is magnificent. It should be graded at least an "8". TED Z T206 Reference . |
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