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Case12 03-04-2019 05:40 PM

Roger Clemens help pls
 
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Hi all. Is this a good Roger Clemens? I like the CY7 inscription. Thanks for your help. Casey

Case12 03-04-2019 05:45 PM

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Or this one too?

vintagetoppsguy 03-04-2019 06:11 PM

They both look good to me.

Fuddjcal 03-05-2019 10:42 AM

The China Grove ball is most certainly a forgery, and the other ball is highly suspect, IMHO

vintagetoppsguy 03-05-2019 11:05 AM

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Clemens' signature has changed drastically over the years. Here is the OPs China ball compared to a certified ball. Not much difference. For me, I not only look at the signature, but the inscription as well. The inscriptions are pretty much a match too. Besides, if one were going to forge a Clemens ball, why would they use a China ball?

vintagetoppsguy 03-05-2019 11:05 AM

Another Clemens ball with a very similar signature to the China ball

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roger-Cleme...p2047675.l2557

bnorth 03-05-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1860190)
Clemens' signature has changed drastically over the years. Here is the OPs China ball compared to a certified ball. Not much difference. For me, I not only look at the signature, but the inscription as well. The inscriptions are pretty much a match too. Besides, if one were going to forge a Clemens ball, why would they use a China ball?

I have no opinion on if it is legit or not. Those 2 autos look nothing alike to me.

Fuddjcal 03-05-2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1860200)
I have no opinion on if it is legit or not. Those 2 autos look nothing alike to me.

I agree it's a nice smoke screen and very cheap, as compared to faking a real ball, THAT's why the China Ball woe OO O.
I stand by my original assessment

Talking bout the China Ball, O o o, It a fake ,whoh O china ball.

commishbob 03-05-2019 04:17 PM

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FWIW.... I got these IP about four years ago. I have some others I got a few years prior but I’ll need to dig up the pics

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Fuddjcal 03-05-2019 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by commishbob (Post 1860259)
FWIW.... I got these IP about four years ago. I have some others I got a few years prior but I’ll need to dig up the pics

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Very nice! I guess you left the China Balls at home? Imagine that.

w7imel 03-05-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuddjcal (Post 1860254)
I agree it's a nice smoke screen and very cheap, as compared to faking a real ball, THAT's why the China Ball woe OO O.
I stand by my original assessment

Talking bout the China Ball, O o o, It a fake ,whoh O china ball.

Rogers signature has changed alot over the years from what I seen. The earlier the example the more readable it was. I like them both!

earlywynnfan 03-05-2019 06:15 PM

Good God! It doesn't matter if the China ball is legit or not, it's already starting to fade. In 2 years the sig will be completely gone.

And yes, forgers love the crappy cheap balls.

Case12 03-06-2019 09:17 AM

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Never knew I would have so much grief asking about a Roger Clemens auto. I guess I will just have to move on - maybe this Authentic Clemens signed Astro's rally monkey would be better. Ha, ha

bnorth 03-06-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Case12 (Post 1860440)
Never knew I would have so much grief asking about a Roger Clemens auto. I guess I will just have to move on - maybe this Authentic Clemens signed Astro's rally monkey would be better. Ha, ha

That is a very cool autographed item.:)

Here is the front/back of a custom Clemens card. The front has a real sweet spot auto cut from a ball. The back is a exact replica of a real Clemens Auto. This are my favorite style of his autograph.

Case12 03-06-2019 01:55 PM

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Authentic? This may be sorta between his styles while with the Red Sox? Not a China ball :-)

bnorth 03-06-2019 03:51 PM

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If it helps the sweet spot auto in the custom card dates from 89-91 by the other 3 autos on the ball. I got this t-shirt from Rogers foundation 2 years ago.

Case12 03-07-2019 10:39 AM

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Just bought this one at good price. Hope it is good? If not, I didn't loose much. Thoughts?
It appears to be an earlier signature. The guy has 7CY.....I had to have at least one of the "Rocket's" signed ball.

bnorth 03-07-2019 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Case12 (Post 1860683)
Just bought this one at good price. Hope it is good? If not, I didn't loose much. Thoughts?
It appears to be an earlier signature. The guy has 7CY.....I had to have at least one of the "Rocket's" signed ball.

Looks like the version I have in the custom card.

vintagetoppsguy 03-07-2019 07:53 PM

Here's an early Clemens auto...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROGER-CLEME...8AAOSwcaZcgbrp

Case12 03-08-2019 07:46 AM

Wow. What a change.


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