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bn2cardz 08-08-2012 08:42 PM

Will TPG tell you why are card won't grade higher?
 
I have an Ed Willett T206 card that I have had for years. It was graded a 5. I always thought it was under graded, but didn't care since I was holding on to it. Now, though, I was thinking of putting it up for sale. A couple of months ago I sent it in for a re-grade, but it came back as a 5. I figured if I couldn't get better than 5 prices I will hold on to it.

The problem is that I can't figure out why it hasn't graded higher. Then I run across PSA 7 T206 cards that look to be comparable to my card and can't figure it out. I thought that there could be a wrinkle or something that I am missing, but have not found it with high res scans or 10x magnifiers.

Is there anyway that I can send it in for a review and be told why it isn't getting higher, or would it be better for me to try with SGC?

I have high resolution photos on photobucket.com/bn2cardz or I can send it on.

The card:
http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/...i_EX5_frnt.jpghttp://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/...Pi_EX5_bck.jpg

Moonlight Graham 08-08-2012 09:03 PM

to me it's all in the corners of your card-they are definitely not psa 7 corners-i think they actually got the grade right this time-sorry

E93 08-08-2012 09:03 PM

My guess is the chip on the lower right corner keeps it from getting a higher technical grade. Regardless, it will probably sell for a small premium due to the outstanding eye-appeal and strong centering. Gorgeous card!
JimB

CobbSpikedMe 08-08-2012 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E93 (Post 1023937)
My guess is the chip on the lower right corner keeps it from getting a higher technical grade. Regardless, it will probably sell for a small premium due to the outstanding eye-appeal and strong centering. Gorgeous card!
JimB

Agreed. The bottom corner looks dinged a bit. But still a sweet looking card! Very nice.

Best,

AndyH

travrosty 08-08-2012 09:11 PM

you paid twice and now want to pay a third time. you should have left it ungraded and saved 2 and now maybe 3 submission fees?

wazoo 08-08-2012 09:17 PM

I got a Cicotte, with even sharper corners, but has literally the identical chip. Got graded a 5. Chips take away from the overall grade A LOT!

steve B 08-08-2012 09:38 PM

Yep, a small chip knocks it way down. Both of these have tiny chips on a lower corner and only average centering. And they didn't even get a 5.

Steve B
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=3319http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=7483

E93 08-08-2012 09:41 PM

I believe the chip on the left boarder of my E94 Young knocked it down 3 full grades.
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblum...oungNagy_2.jpg

Bosox Blair 08-08-2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E93 (Post 1023961)
I believe the chip on the left boarder of my E94 Young knocked it down 3 full grades.
JimB

...And E94 is a set where chipping is the norm...

bn2cardz 08-09-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonlight Graham (Post 1023935)
to me it's all in the corners of your card-they are definitely not psa 7 corners-i think they actually got the grade right this time-sorry

Sorry I guess I should clarify, I know that it isn't a 7. I have just been surprised by some, in my opinion, overgraded 7s, that don't look as nice.

I am surprised that it didn't bump to 5.5 (maybe a 6 on a good day) which I resubmitted after they introduced the half grades.

bn2cardz 08-09-2012 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty (Post 1023950)
you paid twice and now want to pay a third time. you should have left it ungraded and saved 2 and now maybe 3 submission fees?

I know there are people against grading, but my question wasn't asking if I should have had it graded. The others had helpful things to say and show. It isn't helpful to tell me to change my collecting preference.

usernamealreadytaken 08-09-2012 08:31 AM

Beckett used to do this (and still does on newer cards I think) -- on the flip they would post the grade for the four subgrades (surface, corners, centering, and edges). That was somewhat helpful as they sort of showed how they came up with the grade.

bcbgcbrcb 08-09-2012 08:34 AM

If you attend a local show in your area where the TPG in question is present, I am sure that they will discuss the grade with you without charging you again for a regrade. At least, I'm pretty sure that BGS and SGC will, not sure about PSA.

jwgators 08-09-2012 08:51 AM

I sent a card that was in a PSA 6 holder for review. Paid $100 in fees plus shipping back and forth. I received a post it note on the holder that said "Corners". Thanks for the explanation and the professional response. I would think for $100 in fees, there might be a little better explanation...

thekingofclout 08-09-2012 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz (Post 1024027)
I know there are people against grading, but my question wasn't asking if I should have had it graded. The others had helpful things to say and show. It isn't helpful to tell me to change my collecting preference.

Good post Andy. Not only is it not helpful for him to tell you to change your collecting preference, but who in the hell is he to tell you what to do with your money!

T206Collector 08-09-2012 09:51 AM

There is a large chunk missing of the surface on the bottom right corner. That's the chipping people are talking about. T206s are gentle on the eyes as a result, because the cardboard stock is white, but that is still a lot of the original "white border" missing from your white bordered tobacco card. There is no way this should be higher than a 5.

bn2cardz 08-09-2012 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T206Collector (Post 1024079)
There is a large chunk missing of the surface on the bottom right corner. That's the chipping people are talking about. T206s are gentle on the eyes as a result, because the cardboard stock is white, but that is still a lot of the original "white border" missing from your white bordered tobacco card. There is no way this should be higher than a 5.

It doesn't seem like a lot when I am looking at it, but I do get what you are saying. If this was a t205, it would look a lot worse? Makes sense.

bn2cardz 08-17-2012 08:07 AM

So should I consider my card graded correct and consider cards such as this way over graded? It seems that if this card could get a 6, mine should have at least been a 5.5.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/T206-Jack-Dun...tNQ~~60_57.JPG
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/T206-Jack-Dun...KCQ~~60_57.JPG
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/T206-Jack-Dun...8v!~~60_57.JPG

biggsdaddycool 08-17-2012 01:09 PM

See the '73 Art Shell thread.

bn2cardz 08-17-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggsdaddycool (Post 1027093)
See the '73 Art Shell thread.

I have seen it.

glynparson 08-18-2012 01:30 AM

looks like a 5 to me on original card
 
On the Dunn,that appears to be chipping from a factory cut as opposed to wear which DOES NOT effect a grade in the same manner. And as i have stated countless times eye appeal and grade are NOT the same thing.


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