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jchcollins 01-16-2024 12:56 PM

1965 Topps Willie Mays
 
Can anyone tell me where / what ballpark this pic was taken at? Someone on FB said Candlestick, but he’s wearing a road jersey. Just curious, thanks.

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Cliff Bowman 01-16-2024 01:41 PM

Spring training stadium in Arizona?

deweyinthehall 01-16-2024 01:49 PM

Just a guess, but seeing the two individuals in the background to give the stands some scale, I'd say probably the Giants' spring home in Phoenix in early 1964? Here's a link to a pic of Mays in what is claimed to be Casa Grande in 1962, but all other information I can find places them in at Phoenix in all the springs from the 1950s to the 1970s. There are several errors in this photo retrospective so it is possible this is Phoenix. And at first blush the stands look like they could be a match - light colored.

And he's wearing his away jersey at their "home"....

https://projects.sfchronicle.com/202...ring-training/

packs 01-16-2024 02:16 PM

Always liked this card:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2d9a792bdf.jpg

jchcollins 01-16-2024 02:54 PM

Thanks for the replies / guesses. I've always wanted this card, and made this one happen at a local show last weekend.

I've got to stop - I keep buying all my "National targets" ahead of time, LOL.

rugbymarine 01-16-2024 02:57 PM

If that 4.5 is your copy, then well done!! As a centering junkie, that's one of the better 65 Mays cards I've seen.

jchcollins 01-16-2024 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rugbymarine (Post 2405278)
If that 4.5 is your copy, then well done!! As a centering junkie, that's one of the better 65 Mays cards I've seen.

Thanks. Yeah, that's mine. I'm actually not a centering junkie, but will admit it's a nice one. Saw it reasonably priced last weekend and couldn't walk away.

Mark17 01-16-2024 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2405254)
Just a guess, but seeing the two individuals in the background to give the stands some scale, I'd say probably the Giants' spring home in Phoenix in early 1964? Here's a link to a pic of Mays in what is claimed to be Casa Grande in 1962, but all other information I can find places them in at Phoenix in all the springs from the 1950s to the 1970s. There are several errors in this photo retrospective so it is possible this is Phoenix. And at first blush the stands look like they could be a match - light colored.

And he's wearing his away jersey at their "home"....

https://projects.sfchronicle.com/202...ring-training/

Also, his heavy turtleneck sweatshirt indicates spring training. No way he's wearing something that heavy during the summer.

bobw 01-16-2024 08:10 PM

https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v1/...g_id=undefined

The stands look like the ones in Casa Grande, then the Giants Training facility. A wild guess as to why Willie is wearing a road jersey.... maybe they had a workout at the facility before traveling to play another Arizona team?

jchcollins 01-17-2024 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bobw (Post 2405358)
https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v1/...g_id=undefined

The stands look like the ones in Casa Grande, then the Giants Training facility. A wild guess as to why Willie is wearing a road jersey.... maybe they had a workout at the facility before traveling to play another Arizona team?

Those definitely look like the same stands. Cool - thanks.

jchcollins 01-17-2024 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 2405340)
Also, his heavy turtleneck sweatshirt indicates spring training. No way he's wearing something that heavy during the summer.

Not necessarily. Candlestick during the regular season, especially the early months was often windy and cold.

Chris Counts 01-17-2024 08:49 AM

The first time I saw Willie play in person, it was at a spring training game in Palm Springs, CA. He would have played here many times, which might explain the road jersey.

packs 01-17-2024 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins (Post 2405408)
Not necessarily. Candlestick during the regular season, especially the early months was often windy and cold.

I lived in San Francisco for four years. The summers were always colder than the winters. July 4th was always a cold night at the top of Nob Hill watching the fireworks over the bay.

I think there's a famous quote to that's something like the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.

ALR-bishop 01-17-2024 02:49 PM

Often attributed to Mark Twain but I think the origin is actually unknown

Mark17 01-18-2024 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchcollins (Post 2405408)
Not necessarily. Candlestick during the regular season, especially the early months was often windy and cold.

But the picture is definitely not Candlestick, and don't see why Willie would be wearing a road shirt at Candlestick during the season regardless.

jchcollins 01-22-2024 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 2405743)
But the picture is definitely not Candlestick, and don't see why Willie would be wearing a road shirt at Candlestick during the season regardless.

No, but see above. The '65 Topps pic is definitely Casa Grande; the stands are a match. No great explanation as to why he's wearing the road shirt, but other searches on the interwebs have led to other photos of the Giants wearing road shirts at Casa Grande.

Who knows. Maybe they were having a workout there and then took a 20 minute bus ride up the road for an "away" game during spring training. Scottsdale, Glendale, Mesa, and others are all right there near that ballpark. I am not well-versed as to what teams would have been where in the early 1960's, but I would think that stands to reason.

nolemmings 01-22-2024 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchcollins (Post 2406967)
No, but see above. The '65 Topps pic is definitely Casa Grande; the stands are a match. No great explanation as to why he's wearing the road shirt, but other searches on the interwebs have led to other photos of the Giants wearing road shirts at Casa Grande.

Who knows. Maybe they were having a workout there and then took a 20 minute bus ride up the road for an "away" game during spring training. Scottsdale, Glendale, Mesa, and others are all right there near that ballpark. I am not well-versed as to what teams would have been where in the early 1960's, but I would think that stands to reason.

I believe you are right in suggesting that Willie was posing at a workout before the team traveled to play a road game. Actually, Casa Grande is about half-way between Phoenix and Tucson-- about an hour in either direction. There were not many Cactus League sites in the early 60's, but seems to me the most logical explanation is that pics were taken before travel.

Eric72 01-22-2024 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchcollins (Post 2405276)
Thanks for the replies / guesses. I've always wanted this card, and made this one happen at a local show last weekend.

I've got to stop - I keep buying all my "National targets" ahead of time, LOL.

When the card and price are right, there's no time like the present.

Mark17 01-29-2024 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchcollins (Post 2406967)
No, but see above. The '65 Topps pic is definitely Casa Grande; the stands are a match. No great explanation as to why he's wearing the road shirt, but other searches on the interwebs have led to other photos of the Giants wearing road shirts at Casa Grande.

Who knows. Maybe they were having a workout there and then took a 20 minute bus ride up the road for an "away" game during spring training. Scottsdale, Glendale, Mesa, and others are all right there near that ballpark. I am not well-versed as to what teams would have been where in the early 1960's, but I would think that stands to reason.

Makes sense. Another possibility might be an intra-squad game, where the 50 or so spring training invitees split into 2 teams.


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