Jackass.

I would wear 5 masks if it would keep me and my family safe from this horrible illness. I have personally seen many young/healthy people become very sick and/or die from it. I have been fully vaccinated and always wear a mask.

[QUOTE=CrackaJackKid;2098409]Asking seriously, do you feel masks are unnecessary for doctors operating on patients?

I’ll have two masks on if we have a national I will be fully vaccinated. If you choose to have the balls to say something to my face about it you’ll know exactly what I think of you and it won’t be kind words. Frankly a bunch of idiot card guys acting like they know more than virologists are why so many died. Freakin ignorance like that. You clowns should be proud of yourselves.

[QUOTE=CrackaJackKid;2098461]That's how science works. New evidence is discovered so science and belief change over time. Science used to tell people that the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth and that cigarette smoking wasn't bad for you, but not too many people still believe those ideas any more since there is scientific evidence that they are all wrong.

Early on in this pandemic, it was believed that person to person transmission wasn't happening and that mask wearing wouldn't help. Now, there is scientific evidence that both of those beliefs were wrong.

China and a deep state op...

Early on it was believed that shutting down the world for 2 weeks would have a drastic impact on stopped this virulent coronavirus with an extremely high death rate. History now proves that was incorrect. Regardless what scientists and experts thought.

On the other hand, it's impossible to know what the death toll might have been if the world didn't shut down.

Or the li ger lasting impact of collateral damage not labeled as "covid related death" to shut downs!

Great argument

Right, we'll never know either!

Great argument!

I'm not sure that anyone thought that 2 weeks would be long enough to be of much help, but some countries that did implement more strict measures (Australia and New Zealand for example) and limit travel into the countries from affected areas had pretty good success at limiting the number of cases seen.

You sir, are the clown! And I hope the National goes on. I’d love to see all these keyboard warriors in person. I’d be willing to bet you guys aren’t so quick to name calling like you are here.

What’s the point of the vaccine if you still need two masks or any mask? Are you not following the science? It’s so comical with a 99.7 survival rate. Maybe you should look into bubble suits. 😂😂😂

I guess Jeff Foy, you know the ER Doc, is a keyboard warrior and not someone that has any actual experience in this area...b/c if you dont like what somewhat says we can just lower ourselves to another level.

I just dont understand the absolute animosity towards the mask...is it really that big of a deal to put on? I guess everyone has a different perspective on the situation, I wasnt given a choice as a nurse that hasn't had a vacation in over a year b/c there are so many f'ing sick people. At one point, I was coming home and changing in the garage while the clothes went straight into the washer and my ass went right into the shower while my wife kept our 5 yo twins away from me. That isnt necessary anymore as we now know...but why wouldn't I do that when we were unsure? PITA and all, but this is my family.

I've also seen a coworker die...the patient she got the virus from lived. I also have seen the look in my coworkers eyes as the hospital is way past capacity and we simply "have to make the best of it". Ive had 7 patients at a time w/o an aid or any help...how f'ing safe does that sound? Again, need to make the best of it.

I just am completely missing why some people cant put on the mask...perspective and context mean a lot. I guess Im a keyboard warrior too, but I'd rather be with people who think of the larger good than those that prove they can do what they want.

S Suckow RN

Perhaps my question to you got lost above, do you feel doctors should wear masks or protective gear while operating? Or doctors or scientists working in a lab?

The phrase “keyboard warrior” went right over your head. It’s the label I designated to those that chose to call me names just for voicing my opinion. Since I choose NOT to wear a mask and NOT to get vaccinated I’m a jackass or a clown according to some. They’re keyboard warriors who like to say something in here who wouldn’t say the same thing in person.

I’ll answer your question with a question...how come last year in California during the wildfires they told people NOT to use surgical masks to help prevent breathing in smoke. But damn they work good for viruses.

Steve - my late mom was an RN and I know how she would have right in the middle of all of this, been working 7 days a week, or whatever was asked. I know firsthand how selfless most people who choose to go into the profession are. Although I didn't go in to medicine as she had hoped, I did take to heart all of the teaching she gave me on basic hygiene and healthy habits, including HOW NOT TO SPREAD GERMS AND DISEASES TO OTHERS.

That said, I want to say a big THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for what you do and let you know that I (and likely not the only one) we do fully appreciate the hard work and sacrifices you and all in your profession have endured during this very real pandemic.

I am fully vaccinated and will continue to mask up in public until it is 100% certain that there is no chance for ME spread the virus or its variants to others. If it means wearing a mask in public for another year, so be it. I'm in.

It's not about fear of "catching" COVID again. Masking is not about the mask protecting me from you, it's so that I don't unknowing spread it to others. So yeah, I'm masking up to protect anti-maskers too as I don't wish this on anyone.

Because surgical masks are intended to block YOU from spreading YOUR germs, which is a completely different scenario than breathing IN particles from the air. Are there seriously people who still don't get this?

Doctors don't wear masks during surgery to keep themselves safe, they do it for the patient. Crazy concept apparently.

Actually no one TOLD us NOT to use surgical masks but because there was a shortage of surgical masks needed for, you know, those taking care of COVID patients and the like, it was ASKED that we try to save those for medical folks.

It's not like there weren't dust masks and painter's masks available at Home Depot if you wanted though supplies did get a little tight at one point.

So is the national in peril?

Asking for a friend

Food for thought for the scientifically literate:

Mask Mandates, On-Premises Dining, and COVID-19

Evidence for transmission of COVID-19 prior to symptom onset

SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms

Someone beat me to the answer, although I didn't know the answer anyway. I asked a direct question about you, not what happened in California last year.

Actually, I have asthma and live in LA, and during the real bad fire on Federal land a few years ago north of LA that was raining ash on my house my MD recommended N95 masks for me.

I have been vaccinated and still choose to wear my mask in enclosed public places with strangers...I flew on a plane three weeks ago to visit my sister and the airline (Delta) still requires a mask to fly whether or not you are vaccinated

People generally shouldn't be criticized for wearing a mask, not wearing a mask, getting vaccinated or not getting vaccinated...It should be a personal decision for each adult person to make after weighing the pros/cons

My personal belief is masks (properly worn) DO work...look at all the fewer flu cases we had this flu season

Tony

I feel if it were in peril we would see it tied to a train track with a pencil thin mustached fellow beckoning an oncoming train whilst twisting said mustache.


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I'll be setting up at the National if they have it in July. Just like I've done for the local card shows here, I'll be wearing a mask. I wore a double mask at my first post-covid show in April despite having been fully vaccinated for more than 5 weeks, but switched to a single mask this past weekend. The double mask proved extremely difficult and counterproductive over an 8 hour show. As I talked the surgical mask would move down and the cloth mask up. This resulted in my constantly fiddling with my masks and even needing to briefly remove them to fix them. Since my masks are intended to prevent me from asymptomatically transmitting to someone who is not vaccinated, I felt comfortable that the single mask would be fine this time (as vaccinated transmittal rate is so low, and transmittal rate with a surgical mask is so low, so the compounding factors mean wearing even a single mask gives a really really low chance of that happening).

I will not harass customers at my table who don't wear a mask and I won't take kindly to people at the National who harass me about wearing mine.

Thanks to all in this thread who have some science literacy, it makes this former teacher happy.

Looks like we have a better shot at the NSCC in July than we did a couple of hours ago. I also stress not a guarantee but a much better shot than we had earlier this week :)

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...atNSQN234u_r8Y

Regards
Rich

Rich, you beat me to it, I was just going to post that. If you remember, the 1993 National was held at McCormick Place.

Tony, Im about 20 minutes away from Rosemont, just saw this new. great to hear. hopefully we can have a national. if we have to wear masks, no biggie. just happy to have a card show!

Get permission
 

The Chicago auto show got permission from state officials to have their event earlier in July. Why don't the National organizers get on the ball and do that?