Heritage descriptions?
was flipping through the posting of the May HA auction, and boy, for such a high end auction house, the descriptions of the cards are really terrible. best example is the 1914 CJ Mathewson, in authentic from SGC. Not a single word on why its labeled Authentic? its very hard to tell from the picture (looks like a patched up area in the red color on the front, which doesn't go to the back?). Many others were similarly description challenged.
sure, I can call them and email them (already have) but for the price of these cards, they should do better. Paul |
Card looks trimmed on the left side to me.
The auction only just went live. I'd had items on my tracking list that I marked during the preview and they didn't actually show up as active until today. |
Agreed that Heritage’s failure to discuss why the card is graded A, totally sucks.
It’s a good looking card. It looks like the card may have had writing on it (upper left and right side and on the back), that may have been erased and maybe someone tried to recolor or otherwise fix those areas. Regardless, we should not have to discuss and guess on a message board why a card of this prestige is graded A- the AH should tell us that. |
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I wouldn't expect much from them. In the January David Hall auction they had this card listed that in the description said it was the highest graded for the Brand/Series https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...ription-071515 It was pointed out to them that they sold one in a higher grade the prior January https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 In the same auction the description said this Moeller was the only confirmed PSA graded example and it was pointed out to them that there were at least 3 other examples graded by PSA https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...ription-071515 Attachment 451954 Attachment 451955 Attachment 451956 Both items were pointed out to them at the very beginning of the auction and they never changed the descriptions. |
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Heritage has had a job posting for a while now for a card specialist. Job duties include researching and writing catalog descriptions. I've been tempted to throw my hat in the ring.
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Thanks guys, i placed my marker on the CJ Matty the other day(as high bidder)--not today. I guess i was not the only one looking at this. I too tried to figured out why the AUTH designation...as it did not say. But it presents nicely to add to my PC.
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Well, they fixed the Matty CJ description. Colored in red and white in a couple of spots.
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UPDATE: The Authentic assessment is the result of red color being added to a small area above the baseball and white added to the border above that. A crease in the upper right corner also has white added. |
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"Most experts believe that the population of authentically signed Topps '52 cards from Mantle number in the single digits."
Simple search of PSA/DNA pop report shows double digits. Albeit just 13 |
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https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 There are at least 3 yellow brown Mathewson's that have been known about for several years. Attachment 457420 Attachment 457421 |
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Atz was just graded in March. Attachment 457456 |
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Heritage should probably stop using words like unique, none higher, pop one ETC... in their descriptions
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 Attachment 508018 https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 Attachment 508021 |
With the number of knowledgeable and presumably well-paid executives, e.g. Derek Grady, it is astonishing to me that there are no safeguards in place to ensure descriptions that are precise and accurate when it comes to pop counts and such. Heritage needs to put "fail safes" in place so this sort of thing stops. It must be excruciatingly embarrassing to the Sports Division to have their false narratives outed.
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For our litigator/commercial lawyers on the board: Is an incorrect description valid legal grounds for a winning bidder to not honor their commitment?
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Agreed
For them they need to work on descriptions. Interesting they often re-use the same description from of the same card (different grades) from past auctions and just update the grade to match what is auctioning And some times they do not even check if known quantities of changes since the description from the past auction listing which is often years old |
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Why write anything about a graded high value card? I mean does anyone who would bid on a 1952 Topps Mantle not know who Mantle was, not know what the card is, not know what the slab says, etc.? I'd rather see straightforward descriptions of the flaws on the card that make for the grade, without the extraneous blather. Instead of filling half a page with mindless drivel, use the extra space for larger pictures.
ETA: on the opposite end is the auctioneer who makes a real effort to explain the context of a rare card. For example, I read elsewhere in here that REA is going to get the R340 Tilden that was recently discovered. That card could use a detailed factual recitation on the history of the issue because it is so rare and so misunderstood. |
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Could someone have roguishly done it? Possibly but I doubt it. . |
Most auction houses do a pretty good job with the descriptions. The main issue is that someone should proof read them to ensure they are accurate and match the pieces. Especially as the values of many of these cards are spiking as well as a good history and description is needed for all the "new Money" and new collectors coming in.
They may know the players they are buying or not but may not know the difference in the rarity of 1 ie Mantle Card vs another Mantle Card |
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https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=295176 |
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When looking at items from a Hall of Fame player, it's so annoying to have to slog through all the "clever" paragraphs detailing the guy's fantastic career. I want details about the item. I know about the player. |
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And here is a graded T3 Dahlen that I won at Heritage last year. The images speak for themselves.
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To me if I’m going to bid a lot of money on an item in an auction house, I have done this several times, it’s best that you go set up an appointment to view yourself in person. That’s the best way to guarantee what you’re seeing is what you’re getting. Sometimes I just think scanners take lighter or darker scans.
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This is classic Heritage in my experience. I've purchased numerous cards from them with hidden flaws and no mention of them. It's intentional. They want the cards to sell for more money. They build their business on the consignors behalf, not the buyers. It's probably also one of the reasons they get better consignments, unfortunately.
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