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Mbjerry 06-01-2022 09:49 AM

Vintage Oddball or Rare/Scarce?
 
I just entered the vintage world last year. Looking for advice or information on how to find oddball vintage cards that the herd isn't chasing. For budget reasons and interest, I seem to gravitate to the stuff the crowds aren't after. Overlooked and undervalued all time greats is one way I have been doing this. But now I would also like to look at less desired (more rare) stuff. That is the tricky part for me is finding more rare or scarce items that aren't also highly sought after. Any recommendations on specific sets/years/types to look for? Any recommendations on how to identify this stuff? Any help would really be appreciated. I am most comfortable in the under $200 range. Thanks!

quitcrab 06-01-2022 11:33 AM

I love the oddball issues, but the price has really gone up on most issues. Bazooka, Transogram, Kellogg’s, Dexter Press, Nabisco are all great!
Topps has plenty of sub sets and oddball issues to chase too… I love the 64 stand ups and the 69 supers.
Good luck on your quest
Scott

ripfan008 06-01-2022 11:46 AM

Good afternoon,

You may want to start by buying and flipping through the 2012 Standard Catalog and just to see all of the obscure sets that are out there.

Reading the late Bob Lemke's blog is another good source to find more obscure issues.

http://boblemke.blogspot.com/

Good luck!

Mbjerry 06-01-2022 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by quitcrab (Post 2230232)
I love the oddball issues, but the price has really gone up on most issues. Bazooka, Transogram, Kellogg’s, Dexter Press, Nabisco are all great!
Topps has plenty of sub sets and oddball issues to chase too… I love the 64 stand ups and the 69 supers.
Good luck on your quest
Scott

Thanks Scott. I really haven't looked at many of these. I am going to check them out! I guess they are going up with the rest of the hobby. Appreciate you sharing.

Mbjerry 06-01-2022 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ripfan008 (Post 2230238)
Good afternoon,

You may want to start by buying and flipping through the 2012 Standard Catalog and just to see all of the obscure sets that are out there.

Reading the late Bob Lemke's blog is another good source to find more obscure issues.

http://boblemke.blogspot.com/

Good luck!

That looks like a great blog! Looks like I could spend hours on it. lol. I am going to order that catalog now. Thanks!

todeen 06-01-2022 09:55 PM

69 Deckle Edge is a great start! HOF'ers on the cheap.

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Lucas00 06-01-2022 10:55 PM

Some great cheap odder issues.
1968 Topps game set
1964 Topps giants
1967 Topps pin ups
1961-63 Post cereal
1963 Fleer baseball (my favorite pick)

Harliduck 06-01-2022 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2230511)
Some great cheap odder issues.
1968 Topps game set
1964 Topps giants
1967 Topps pin ups
1961-63 Post cereal
1963 Fleer baseball (my favorite pick)

I'll second that 63 Fleer pick...great set, good amount of HOFer's, and considering the population counts it's my contention these cards are undervalued. The Mays and Clemente are classics...and I love the checklist!

jchcollins 06-02-2022 06:00 AM

Vintage Oddball or Rare/Scarce?
 
+1 for '63 Fleer. Sleeper set with some fantastic players that look great.

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Mbjerry 06-02-2022 06:12 AM

Thank you all for the replies. I have written down all the suggestions to go start hunting. I did recently buy a NM/MT 63 Fleer Koufax and loved the card and the price! Ill check out some of the other HOFers in that set.

Zach Wheat 06-02-2022 06:55 AM

Might also want to consider the Milk Duds or Kellogg's run of cards. You can collect the complete Milk Dud boxes or the relatively cheap clipped/cut cards. There is a wide range of prices sufficient to suit any collecting criteria.

Regarding Kellogg's - the key is collecting cards which aren't cracked. The cracking often times is difficult to accurately detect in the photos online.

Good luck and have fun!

Mbjerry 06-02-2022 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat (Post 2230544)
Might also want to consider the Milk Duds or Kellogg's run of cards. You can collect the complete Milk Dud boxes or the relatively cheap clipped/cut cards. There is a wide range of prices sufficient to suit any collecting criteria.

Regarding Kellogg's - the key is collecting cards which aren't cracked. The cracking often times is difficult to accurately detect in the photos online.

Good luck and have fun!

Thanks for the heads up on the Kellogg's! Anything to look for on any of the other recommended sets?

quitcrab 06-02-2022 08:38 AM

1955 Topps double headers.So undervalued in my mind.
1964 bazooka stamps are cool…. Only 100 players.
1971 Topps greatest moments…. Expensive but so freakin cool!

Harliduck 06-02-2022 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quitcrab (Post 2230570)
1955 Topps double headers.So undervalued in my mind.
1964 bazooka stamps are cool…. Only 100 players.
1971 Topps greatest moments…. Expensive but so freakin cool!


Every time Jolly posts a 71 Greatest Moments I want to jump in...then the prices bring me back to reality. So cool, and I do have to imagine they are very good investments. I have to pull the trigger on the Killebrew card as it's one of the few I need. But yes, those are sweet...

BobC 06-02-2022 12:51 PM

Would also suggest looking at the 1964 Auravision records/cards. Small, but extremely star studded set, very reasonable prices for them, and I think they are arguably some of the greatest, most clear and stunning photos of players from the 50s and 60s that are out there. In person and in hand, they are absolutely gorgeous, and not too difficult to find in great shape.

Also, at least for some time in the past as far as I can remember, one of the few sets where the Willie Mays card was actually more valuable than Mickey Mantle's as Mays was supposedly a short print, if memory serves me correctly.

Exhibitman 06-02-2022 09:50 PM

I dunno if this fits your era but there are a whole slew of oddball sets from the 1960s-1970s that are challenging and fun. Some can run a few bucks but nothing compared to earlier cards. Some examples

1960 and 1961 Nu Card. People are starting to realize that this set has career-contemporary cards of Aaron, Mays, Musial, Williams (1960), McCovey RC, and some others I don't recall. Slabbed can cost you but nice raw cards are still a deal.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...rd%20Aaron.JPG
https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...d%20Aaron.jpeg

1968 Atlantic Oil. Forty cards mostly HOFers. The game ticket packaging makes condition an issue but if you don't insist on high grade there are plenty of career-contemporary HOFers for reasonable prices.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20PSA%206.jpg

1961-63 Post and Jello cards are very reasonable.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...on_%20Hank.JPG

ValKehl 06-02-2022 10:11 PM

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1961 7-11 set. The cards are so ugly that hardly anyone collects them. I have only this one card from this set, because Runnels was my favorite player when I was a kid.

Zach Wheat 06-03-2022 10:37 AM

Val,

The 7-11 card looks like it was typed on a typewriter!

Mbjerry 06-03-2022 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2230816)
I dunno if this fits your era but there are a whole slew of oddball sets from the 1960s-1970s that are challenging and fun. Some can run a few bucks but nothing compared to earlier cards. Some examples

1960 and 1961 Nu Card. People are starting to realize that this set has career-contemporary cards of Aaron, Mays, Musial, Williams (1960), McCovey RC, and some others I don't recall. Slabbed can cost you but nice raw cards are still a deal.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...rd%20Aaron.JPG
https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...d%20Aaron.jpeg

1968 Atlantic Oil. Forty cards mostly HOFers. The game ticket packaging makes condition an issue but if you don't insist on high grade there are plenty of career-contemporary HOFers for reasonable prices.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20PSA%206.jpg

1961-63 Post and Jello cards are very reasonable.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...on_%20Hank.JPG


These are some cool cards! I love those Nu Cards. Haven’t seen those before. Thank you!


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Mbjerry 06-03-2022 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2230820)
1961 7-11 set. The cards are so ugly that hardly anyone collects them. I have only this one card from this set, because Runnels was my favorite player when I was a kid.


Man those are ugly. Lol


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steve B 06-03-2022 11:40 AM

The 1969 MLB sports collectors "stamp" set has always been affordable.

philliesfan 06-03-2022 01:51 PM

My choice would be to go after the 1964 Topps Stand Up set or the 1971 Greatest Moments.

mrmopar 06-03-2022 04:14 PM

Sometimes just patience and a little luck. Bargains for almost anything older is a ship that has mostly set sail, but you can find some deals if you are looking in the right place and at the right time. I was fortunate to dabble in some of the oddball sets at a decent time. My purchases were almost always Dodger related, so good in that regard. Bad in that I passed on adding other players or issues if there wasn't a Dodger or former/future Dodger. I sometimes wish I had focused even more on it when I did, but without an endless stream of money, I was always missing out on something. Heck, I will go through my vintage Topps and Bowman stuff and often realize with some level of shock that I am grossly underrepresented in certain sets, besides the Dodgers.

A lot of the real obscure stuff has fewer people fighting over it, but those people are not messing around and if they still need it, forget about it.

Clutch-Hitter 06-03-2022 07:25 PM

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Gorgeous!

Mbjerry 06-04-2022 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2230816)
I dunno if this fits your era but there are a whole slew of oddball sets from the 1960s-1970s that are challenging and fun. Some can run a few bucks but nothing compared to earlier cards. Some examples

1960 and 1961 Nu Card. People are starting to realize that this set has career-contemporary cards of Aaron, Mays, Musial, Williams (1960), McCovey RC, and some others I don't recall. Slabbed can cost you but nice raw cards are still a deal.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...rd%20Aaron.JPG
https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...d%20Aaron.jpeg

1968 Atlantic Oil. Forty cards mostly HOFers. The game ticket packaging makes condition an issue but if you don't insist on high grade there are plenty of career-contemporary HOFers for reasonable prices.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20PSA%206.jpg

1961-63 Post and Jello cards are very reasonable.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...on_%20Hank.JPG


Picked this one up in the Net54 marketplace yesterday. Thanks for the suggestion.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...dd527c9913.jpg


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Exhibitman 06-05-2022 03:55 PM

Also consider team issues, McCarthy postcards, and picture packs. They are kind of the wild west--little cataloguing, lots of BS--but present some great early cards of postwar players, sometimes for a pittance compared to other career-issued sets.

1962-65 Jays Publishing:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20batting.JPG

1966 McCarthy PC (happens to be signed):

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...igned%20PC.jpg

Boston TI's:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...20Ted%20PC.jpg
https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ank%20back.jpg

bbcard1 06-05-2022 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2230820)
1961 7-11 set. The cards are so ugly that hardly anyone collects them. I have only this one card from this set, because Runnels was my favorite player when I was a kid.

I once owned an antique convertible that a friend of mine who was a collector described as "rare and undesirable."

tod41 06-20-2022 09:54 PM

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1972 Pro Star Promotions.


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