1985 Subway Discs Master Checklist
 

I never paid much attention to 1985 Subway Discs, I just figured that they were identical to 1985 Thom McAn Discs except they were blank backed and had 36 discs rather the 46 in the 1985 Thom McAn set, minus the 10 players from Puerto Rico. I recently bought a lot of 10 Subway discs on eBay that was listed incorrectly as Thom McAn discs to get the Ryne Sandberg, but I noticed something on 3 of the other discs that was peculiar. The Quisenberry is green, the Sutter is pink, and the Wilson is red, while the Thom McAn Quisenberry is pink and the Thom McAn Sutter and Wilson are green. That means there at least 3 of the Subway discs that are different from the McAn discs on the front, more than likely more. I have also read that 1985 Subway discs are much more plentiful than 1985 Thom McAn discs, but I believe the opposite is true. I don't doubt that the McAn discs are more popular and sought after than the Subway discs, but the master checklist of the Thom McAn is well established with all of the discs and variations documented several times over. There are some Subway discs that as far as I know have yet to be documented and the only color variations that have been documented are the Ripken and Leonard discs, both blue and yellow. If the PSA population is to be trusted that confirms the existence of 24 of the discs, and other than Carew, Carlton, Ripken, Schmidt, and Seaver all of them have a population of 2 or less. Taking into account those 24 and the ones that I have, these have not been documented, Cooper, Cowens, Gossage, Guidry, Hargrove, and Zahn. I know that another Net54 member had a similar thread but it has been dormant for nearly six years. If anyone can supply a scan of Cooper, Cowens, Gossage, Guidry, Hargrove, and Zahn, show a scan of any Subway disc that is a different color than their Thom McAn counterpart other than Quisenberry, Sutter, and Wilson, or has scans of two color variation discs other than Leonard and Ripken please do.

1. Buddy Bell (Yellow)
2. Mike Boddicker (Yellow)
3. Bill Buckner (Blue)
4. Rod Carew (Yellow)
5. Steve Carlton (Blue)
6. Cesar Cedeno (Red) (Green)
7. Cecil Cooper (Red) (Green)
8. Al Cowens (Blue) (Yellow)
9. Rich Gossage (Yellow)
10. Pedro Guerrero (Blue)
11. Ron Guidry (Blue)
12. Tony Gwynn (Green)
13. Mike Hargrove Green)
14. Keith Hernandez (Orange)
15. Bob Horner (Yellow)
16. Kent Hrbek (Pink)
17. Rick Langford (Blue)
18. Jeff Leonard (Blue) (Yellow)
19. Willie McGee (Green)
20. Jack Morris (Red)
21. Jesse Orosco Yellow)
22. Terry Puhl (Orange)
23. Dan Quisenberry (Green)
24. Johnny Ray (Orange)
25. Cal Ripken, Jr. (Blue) (Yellow)
26. Ryne Sandberg (Pink)
27. Mike Schmidt (Pink)
28. Tom Seaver (Green)
29. Rick Sutcliffe (Pink)
30. Bruce Sutter (Green) (Pink)
31. Alan Trammell (Orange)
32. Fernando Valenzuela (Blue) (Yellow)
33. Greg Walker (Red)
34. Willie Wilson (Red)
35. Dave Winfield (Pink)
36. Geoff Zahn (Orange)

While I do know that the yellow Ripken "Subway" disc is fairly easy to locate, conversely the ThomMcAn disc in that color variation is VERY difficult to find..My point is could there be undocumented Thom McAn discs of Quisenberry/Green; Sutter/Pink & Wilson//Red?:


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Hi Cliff, nothing to add on my front unfortunately. Here are the Subway discs I possess. Looks like all of mine are the same colors you already have listed. Note, Subway discs are blank backed but still have the 1985 copyright on front right side. I would be willing to trade any of mine for the Guerrero I’m missing to complete my team set.

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1985 Subway vs Thom McAns
 

Cliff I own the PSA subway set but only have about 24 of them.
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...ay-discs/15637

I have Ripken (B & Y), Sutter (Grn & Purple) and Valenzuela (B & Y) in double colors.

For some reason PSA has a 46 card check list, but I agree that the Latin players dont exist (and they never graded any).

The Lemke checklist includes Brett which I also do not think exists.

I think your Quis in grn means that there is a Quis in green for the Thom McAn set that hasnt showed up yet. My Thom McAn set has 8 double color players and I think there could be a few more. Those are also all shown in my set https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...timeset/205423

Fantastic! Now it can be confirmed what colors the Buckner, Guerrero, Orosco, Ray, Walker, and Winfield are, and there are color variations for Leonard, Ripken, Sutter, Valenzuela. I have a yellow Leonard to confirm it exists. Not to confuse things, but there is a red 1985 Thom McAn Benny Ayala currently in a lot on eBay that confirms that there is a color variation to go along with your orange 1985 Thom McAn Benny Ayala.

I have a yellow Bell and a green Seaver. I have owned three pink Winfields and have never seen another color for him.

Returning to where I left off in my old thread (I can't believe I left that idle for 6 years!), I'm trying to determine when these were originally catalogued. I've found references to the set as far back as October 1997, but am still searching. They were not included in the 1990 Beckett Alphabetical.

Don't ask me when we (I) added this set to the Beckett Data Base but it was obviously way after 1990. Interestingly, I just checked and the Beckett DB has 46 discs listed but not the last couple which means I either screwed up and missed the last couple of discs of the verification I had was incomplete.

Based on what I'm seeing -- a 50 disc set would not surprise me. And since one the Thom McAn blurb mentions a 10 disc set with purchase, I feel even stronger than it's a 50-disc set.



Rich

Not surprisingly, there is a color variation on the 1985 Subway Cesar Cedeno disc just like there are on the 1985 Thom McAn Cesar Cedeno discs, red and green that I just found out about. I believe there will eventually be more color variations found.

And they spelled Cesar wrong.

Not sure if you need these pics, but I just picked up a Wilson Green and a Quisenberry Pink.

Your scans are not showing up on my phone, but if you have Quisenberry-Pink with a blank back and Wilson-Green with a blank back that would be very big news concerning the 1985 Subway checklist.

Let's try that again.

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That’s awesome!! I will add them to the checklist. Thank you!

Updated Checklist
1. Buddy Bell (Yellow)
2. Mike Boddicker (Yellow)
3. Bill Buckner (Blue)
4. Rod Carew (Yellow)
5. Steve Carlton (Blue)
6. Cesar Cedeno (Red) (Green)
7. Cecil Cooper (Red) (Green)
8. Al Cowens (Blue) (Yellow)
9. Rich Gossage (Yellow)
10. Pedro Guerrero (Blue)
11. Ron Guidry (Blue)
12. Tony Gwynn (Green)
13. Mike Hargrove (Green)
14. Keith Hernandez (Orange)
15. Bob Horner (Yellow)
16. Kent Hrbek (Pink)
17. Rick Langford (Blue)
18. Jeff Leonard (Blue) (Yellow)
19. Willie McGee (Green)
20. Jack Morris (Red)
21. Jesse Orosco Yellow)
22. Terry Puhl (Orange)
23. Dan Quisenberry (Green) (Pink)
24. Johnny Ray (Orange)
25. Cal Ripken, Jr. (Blue) (Yellow)
26. Ryne Sandberg (Pink)
27. Mike Schmidt (Pink)
28. Tom Seaver (Green)
29. Rick Sutcliffe (Pink)
30. Bruce Sutter (Green) (Pink)
31. Alan Trammell (Orange)
32. Fernando Valenzuela (Blue) (Yellow)
33. Greg Walker (Red)
34. Willie Wilson (Green) (Red)
35. Dave Winfield (Pink)
36. Geoff Zahn (Orange)

I talked to someone on Trading Card DataBase that provided scans for a 1985 Subway Discs Ron Guidry and he confirmed to me that he owns one, so that leaves Cooper, Cowens, Gossage, Hargrove, and Zahn to be confirmed.

Updated Checklist
1. Buddy Bell (Yellow)
2. Mike Boddicker (Yellow)
3. Bill Buckner (Blue)
4. Rod Carew (Yellow)
5. Steve Carlton (Blue)
6. Cesar Cedeno (Red)
7. Cecil Cooper (Red) (Green)
8. Al Cowens (Blue) (Yellow)
9. Rich Gossage (Yellow)
10. Pedro Guerrero (Blue)
11. Ron Guidry (Blue)
12. Tony Gwynn (Green)
13. Mike Hargrove (Green)
14. Keith Hernandez (Orange)
15. Bob Horner (Yellow)
16. Kent Hrbek (Pink)
17. Rick Langford (Blue)
18. Jeff Leonard (Blue) (Yellow)
19. Willie McGee (Green)
20. Jack Morris (Red)
21. Jesse Orosco Yellow)
22. Terry Puhl (Orange)
23. Dan Quisenberry (Green) (Pink)
24. Johnny Ray (Orange)
25. Cal Ripken, Jr. (Blue) (Yellow)
26. Ryne Sandberg (Pink)
27. Mike Schmidt (Pink)
28. Tom Seaver (Green)
29. Rick Sutcliffe (Pink)
30. Bruce Sutter (Green) (Pink)
31. Alan Trammell (Orange)
32. Fernando Valenzuela (Blue) (Yellow)
33. Greg Walker (Red)
34. Willie Wilson (Green) (Red)
35. Dave Winfield (Pink)
36. Geoff Zahn (Orange)

I ran across a completed eBay sale of a 1985 Subway Geoff Zahn (Orange) that I unfortunately missed on, hopefully ArmourPhil won it. This confirms it exists.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25592815925...p2047675.l2557

Updated Checklist
1. Buddy Bell (Yellow)
2. Mike Boddicker (Yellow)
3. Bill Buckner (Blue)
4. Rod Carew (Yellow)
5. Steve Carlton (Blue)
6. Cesar Cedeno (Red) (Green)
7. Cecil Cooper (Red) (Green)
8. Al Cowens (Blue) (Yellow)
9. Rich Gossage (Yellow)
10. Pedro Guerrero (Blue)
11. Ron Guidry (Blue)
12. Tony Gwynn (Green)
13. Mike Hargrove (Green)
14. Keith Hernandez (Orange)
15. Bob Horner (Yellow)
16. Kent Hrbek (Pink)
17. Rick Langford (Blue)
18. Jeff Leonard (Blue) (Yellow)
19. Willie McGee (Green)
20. Jack Morris (Red)
21. Jesse Orosco Yellow)
22. Terry Puhl (Orange)
23. Dan Quisenberry (Green) (Pink)
24. Johnny Ray (Orange)
25. Cal Ripken, Jr. (Blue) (Yellow)
26. Ryne Sandberg (Pink)
27. Mike Schmidt (Pink)
28. Tom Seaver (Green)
29. Rick Sutcliffe (Pink)
30. Bruce Sutter (Green) (Pink)
31. Alan Trammell (Orange)
32. Fernando Valenzuela (Blue) (Yellow)
33. Greg Walker (Red)
34. Willie Wilson (Green) (Red)
35. Dave Winfield (Pink)
36. Geoff Zahn (Orange)

Cliff, I just came across this post. I gather the way to tell it is a Subway disc is the 1985 date and the blank back? I don't have any but it gives me something else to look for. Thanks.

Exactly, they are practically 1985 Thom McAn JOX discs with blank backs.

Cliff, thanks. I have the JOX Sutcliffe so know what they will look like. Appreciate it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266132447168

Luckily the seller had another copy of the 85 Subway Orange Geoff Zahn and I can confirm it exists after receiving it today.

A seller on eBay listed a 1985 Subway Disc lot and it has previously undocumented discs of Al Cowens (Blue) and Mike Hargrove (Green) so that means the only 1985 Subway Discs I have yet to see proof of in any color are Cecil Cooper and Rich Gossage, although one of the Trading Card Data Base moderators told me that he has copies of both Cecil Cooper color variations Subway Discs.

Saw that one. Congrats on the pickup. Was bummed he didn’t have the Guerrero.


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1985 Subway Discs Master Checklist
 

There were some more singles listed today on ebay if anyone is interested.


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I had to pay a ridiculous price to get him to sell just the Cowens, Hargrove, and Zahn out of the lot but I figured I would never get them otherwise. The Zahn is an upgrade.

There was a 1985 Subway Disc base set for sale on eBay recently, it has a Gossage which proves it exists, a yellow Cowens which is a new color variation, and a red Cooper. I haven't seen a green Cooper yet but a moderator on TCDB assured me it exists so I will take his word. That means as of now the differences between the 1985 Thom McAn and 1985 Subway sets are the 1985 Subway set doesn't have the ten Puerto Rican players and each set has three color variations that the other set doesn't have. There are color variations of Hargrove, Walker, and Zahn in the 1985 Thom McAn set which aren't in the 1985 Subway set, and there are color variations of Quisenberry, Sutter, and Wilson in the 1985 Subway set which aren't in the 1985 Thom McAn set.

I read at some point about the 10 Puerto Rico Players are the most difficult to find, because only was marketed only in Puerto Rico. Few years ago a seller sold the set of Puerto Rican Players for $1,000.00

The ten Puerto Rican players are only available in the 1985 Thom McAn set with printed backs and are not in the blank backed 1985 Subway set, other than the red Benny Ayala the ten Purto Rican players are abundant. There are currently four on eBay in the $12 range and seven sold recently in the $12-$14 range. I don't know why the red Benny Ayala is rare, there was one in that $1000 lot you were referring to and I have no doubt that is why it sold for that price. I have been looking for the red Benny Ayala myself but I wasn't going to pay $1,000 for one. Apparently the yellow 1985 Thom McAn Cal Ripken is also rare, according to replies in these threads.