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ibuysportsephemera 03-29-2017 06:19 PM

1946 Syracuse Nationals Basketball Help Please
 
My buddy and I have a 11/21/46 Syracuse Nationals NBL home program v. The Buffalo Bisons. Attached to this program was note that it was the first Syracuse Nationals program. I have researched everywhere and cannot find a schedule for the Nationals in 1946. I found on line an auction from 2006 that had the 11/28/46 Syracuse home program listed as the first Nationals program. Obviously our program is a week earlier, but I would like to verify the 1946 schedule. All help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jeff

Butch7999 03-30-2017 12:19 AM

Page 32 of the 21 November 1946 edition of the Toledo Blade shows Buffalo at Syracuse as one of two NBL games scheduled for that night.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...rontpage&hl=en

The game report is on page 34 of the 22 November edition:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...rontpage&hl=en

That indicates it was the fifth game of the Nats' season. It's tough to find a league schedule in advance of the season, because
(if we understand pre-NBA history correctly, and it's very likely we don't) each NBL team was left to draw up their own schedule
and probably did a lot of adjusting as the season went along, depending on availability of venues and volume of advance ticket sales.

ibuysportsephemera 03-30-2017 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch7999 (Post 1645850)
Page 32 of the 21 November 1946 edition of the Toledo Blade shows Buffalo at Syracuse as one of two NBL games scheduled for that night.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...rontpage&hl=en

The game report is on page 34 of the 22 November edition:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...rontpage&hl=en

That indicates it was the fifth game of the Nats' season. It's tough to find a league schedule in advance of the season, because
(if we understand pre-NBA history correctly, and it's very likely we don't) each NBL team was left to draw up their own schedule
and probably did a lot of adjusting as the season went along, depending on availability of venues and volume of advance ticket sales.

Thanks Butch...great research. I still would love to see the schedule because the first few games could have been on the road (I doubt it, but you never know).

Jeff

Butch7999 03-30-2017 11:00 AM

Jeff, glad to be of help. A full-season league schedule might possibly perhaps have been published in a newspaper
based in one of the other NBL cities. We got lucky with the game results in the Toledo paper and didn't go farther back.
You could try looking around the Google Newspaper Archive for earlier editions of the Blade and for papers from Chicago,
Indianapolis, Sheboygan, Detroit, &c'. Papers from Syracuse, Buffalo, and Syracuse, unfortunately, are not archived there.
The Syracuse library system, however, might be able to find more information for you or provide it through an interlibrary loan...

bigfanNY 03-30-2017 11:26 AM

Grey Flannel auctioned what they claimed was the first program here is link

https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item...gram-and-photo

Jewish-collector 03-30-2017 12:17 PM

This gives a general history of the variations of the Syracuse Nationals

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/syracuse/nats.html

Also, Andy Sandler on this forum might be able to help.

ibuysportsephemera 03-30-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfanNY (Post 1645952)
Grey Flannel auctioned what they claimed was the first program here is link

https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item...gram-and-photo

Yes Jonathan, that is the auction I mention in my post. Clearly that was incorrect.

Thanks,

Jeff

ibuysportsephemera 03-30-2017 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector (Post 1645971)
This gives a general history of the variations of the Syracuse Nationals

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/syracuse/nats.html

Also, Andy Sandler on this forum might be able to help.

Yes, thanks, I have seen that page many times. The problem is that the historical information on the Nationals begin when they joined the NBA. The previous years are not documented.

Jeff

Jewish-collector 03-30-2017 01:06 PM

Jeff - Have you asked this forum ? What did they say ?

http://apbr.org/forum/index.php

ibuysportsephemera 03-30-2017 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector (Post 1645988)
Jeff - Have you asked this forum ? What did they say ?

http://apbr.org/forum/index.php

I have not...thanks for the info. I will ask over there. Much appreciated.

Jeff

bigfanNY 04-12-2017 09:51 PM

First Syracuse game
 
1 Attachment(s)
This is my program From November 8th the First game of the 1946 season for the Buffalo Bison's who opened up vs Syracuse and it is my understanding that this is the first game for Both the Atlanta Hawks. ( Buffalo lasted 38 days before folding and team went to Become the Tri-Cities Black hawks, Then the St. Louis hawks, Then Atlanta) And The Philadelphia 76'ers (First Syracuse nationals until 63 then The Sixer's). I understand your question to be "what was the first Home game for the nationals" and I hope to have an answer to that question by the end of the week.
Regards
Jonathan

Butch7999 04-13-2017 12:53 AM

Jonathan, we'd love to see a larger, clearer version of that image if you have a chance...

ibuysportsephemera 04-13-2017 04:54 AM

Thanks everyone. I appreciate the help. I did apply to the chatboard mentioned earlier but I never heard back from them. I do have the program on eBay currently. My user name is sportmags.

Thanks,

Jeff


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