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bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 05:14 AM

This is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Is this normal for an SGC card??
 
This card is now ruined. I did NOT mail this in with a magic marker mark on the card. Now it has a huge magic marker mark on the card!!! To say I am dumbfounded and without words is a huge understatement!!!

https://imgsrv.sellersourcebook.com/...jpg?1674562467

toledo_mudhen 01-24-2023 05:20 AM

Wow - Just Wow

Unbelievably crappy incident from the company that wants to overtake the leader?

rjackson44 01-24-2023 05:27 AM

Call the mafia

Snowman 01-24-2023 05:27 AM

Am I missing something? I don't see any magic marker markings. I see what appears to be a long piece of black plastic stuck inside the holder though. Looks like a piece was shaved off the inner black liner and got left behind? Have you looked at that with a loupe? Am I looking at the right thing?

Whatever it is, it looks like it has some dimensionality to it. It casts a shadow and has light bouncing off of it in different directions. It looks like an object to me, not ink.

3-2-count 01-24-2023 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2307385)
Am I missing something? I don't see any magic marker markings. I see what appears to be a long piece of black plastic stuck inside the holder though. Looks like a piece was shaved off the inner black liner and got left behind? Have you looked at that with a loupe? Am I looking at the right thing?

Whatever it is, it looks like it has some dimensionality to it. It casts a shadow and has light bouncing off of it in different directions. It looks like an object to me, not ink.

This is what I thought as well at first glance.

swarmee 01-24-2023 05:37 AM

Yes, it's detritus in the slab. Send it back and they'll fix it, I'm sure.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2307393)
Yes, it's detritus in the slab. Send it back and they'll fix it, I'm sure.

What is detrius??? It looks like magic marker.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjackson44 (Post 2307384)
Call the mafia

The Mafia?? The Sopranos went off the air in 95.

TobaccoKing4 01-24-2023 06:03 AM

That isn’t marker, it’s something inside the slab. You can see on the right side that whatever it is is casting a shadow meaning it’s not marker

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobaccoKing4 (Post 2307401)
That isn’t marker, it’s something inside the slab. You can see on the right side that whatever it is is casting a shadow meaning it’s not marker

I hope you are right. I got the card in hand and it looks like marker. I have tried vibrating the card to get it to move, and it has not budged.

boysblue 01-24-2023 06:17 AM

Returning the card to SGC to have the detritus :) removed is an inconvenience alright, but sometimes mistakes happen. It is a nice looking Mays card though.

nebboy 01-24-2023 06:20 AM

It leaves a shadow and is catching light change so it’s not a marker. It’s plastic. Bad quality control.

Republicaninmass 01-24-2023 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nebboy (Post 2307405)
It leaves a shadow and is catching light change so it’s not a marker. It’s plastic. Bad quality control.


But at least the card was back promptly :rolleyes:

hcv123 01-24-2023 06:46 AM

100% agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nebboy (Post 2307405)
It leaves a shadow and is catching light change so it’s not a marker. It’s plastic. Bad quality control.

Agree with all previous comments - it is not marker - poor quality control.

mrreality68 01-24-2023 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 2307413)
But at least the card was back promptly :rolleyes:

Glad to hear

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 07:46 AM

I hope that wasn't a marker.

oldjudge 01-24-2023 07:52 AM

Based on the last two day's posts you should switch to PSA.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 07:56 AM

Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?

LEHR 01-24-2023 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman (Post 2307385)
Am I missing something? I don't see any magic marker markings. I see what appears to be a long piece of black plastic stuck inside the holder though. Looks like a piece was shaved off the inner black liner and got left behind? Have you looked at that with a loupe? Am I looking at the right thing?

Whatever it is, it looks like it has some dimensionality to it. It casts a shadow and has light bouncing off of it in different directions. It looks like an object to me, not ink.

I had the same thought. Definitely doesn't look like marker.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEHR (Post 2307428)
I had the same thought. Definitely doesn't look like marker.

It looks like one in hand......and when I tape on the card, it doesn't move.

darwinbulldog 01-24-2023 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nebboy (Post 2307405)
It leaves a shadow and is catching light change so it’s not a marker. It’s plastic. Bad quality control.

That's what I was going to say. It would have to be extraordinarily thick ink to cast a shadow.

Leon 01-24-2023 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2307429)
It looks like one in hand......and when I tape on the card, it doesn't move.

It's just wedged. I agree with others, poor quality control but probably not a mark.
.

Natswin2019 01-24-2023 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2307429)
It looks like one in hand......and when I tape on the card, it doesn't move.

I have to agree with everyone in saying that it doesn't look like marker and looks like a strip of plastic due to the shadows it casts and the way the light is reflected differently in different places. It's possible it's not moving when you tap on it because of the way the holder is sealed. Maybe it's just stuck in place?

NATCARD 01-24-2023 08:15 AM

Marker?
 
No chance that is marker. It is 3d. Send it back so they can remove the plastic strip. Jeff W

egri 01-24-2023 08:21 AM

I'm in the piece of plastic camp. Also, I'm not familiar with SGC's grading process or criteria, but if it was a marker, wouldn't it probably have happened before grading, and knocked it down to less than a 3?

Tyruscobb 01-24-2023 08:23 AM

I don’t think that’s a marker. It doesn’t appear flat. Probably a plastic piece from the apron. A headache, but SGC will probably fix the issue for you after a phone call or two.

Rad_Hazard 01-24-2023 08:29 AM

Yep, definitely appears to be a piece of plastic. SGC should definitely fix this gratis. Please let us know what they respond with.

Dead-Ball-Hitter 01-24-2023 08:29 AM

I agree Bobby, definitely detritus.

:)

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 08:32 AM

That is what people are saying but I have zero idea what that means. Has this happened before??? What causes it?

JustinD 01-24-2023 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb (Post 2307444)
I don’t think that’s a marker. It doesn’t appear flat. Probably a plastic piece from the apron. A headache, but SGC will probably fix the issue for you after a phone call or two.

In this camp too Bobby, with the cast shadow this really seems to be one of two possibilities. Either a scrap object within the case, or possibly a mark on the outside of the case casting the shadow.

Send for a recasing.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinD (Post 2307451)
In this camp too Bobby, with the cast shadow this really seems to be one of two possibilities. Either a scrap object within the case, or possibly a mark on the outside of the case casting the shadow.

Send for a recasing.

It's not on the outside because Goof off did absolutely nothing to it.

x2drich2000 01-24-2023 08:34 AM

de·tri·tus
/dəˈtrīdəs,ˈdetrədəs/
Learn to pronounce
noun
waste or debris of any kind.
"streets filled with rubble and detritus"

Snapolit1 01-24-2023 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2307427)
Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?

Was it Mickey's? If so get it to Ken Goldin pronto.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2307455)
Was it Mickey's? If so get it to Ken Goldin pronto.

LOL....No..it wasn't Mickey's. You didn't hear about that one though?

packs 01-24-2023 08:43 AM

I agree. Looks like something between the glass and the card and not a mark on the card.

bnorth 01-24-2023 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2307453)
It's not on the outside because Goof off did absolutely nothing to it.

Can't you just look with a loupe? This seems like it would be a very simple thing to figure out.

JustinD 01-24-2023 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2307453)
It's not on the outside because Goof off did absolutely nothing to it.

Well it was a just a guess on possibilities as to shadow. In the future, I find goof off is near worthless on permanent marker. Switch to 99% rubbing alcohol. Much better.

CardPadre 01-24-2023 09:01 AM

This is UNBELIEVABLE!!! I can NOT BELIEVE SGC did this to my card!!!!!
 
On the SGC provided scan, does look a lot more like marker. But also with a shadow…so maybe a marker streak on the inside of the front plastic? Good news is I think your card is okay and it’s really nice.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...15944ddece.jpg

rjackson44 01-24-2023 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2307460)
Can't you just look with a loupe? This seems like it would be a very simple thing to figure out.

agree with ben

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 09:04 AM

I got a loupe. I will look again.

bnorth 01-24-2023 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2307469)
I got a loupe. I will look again.

Tilt it back and forth while looking at it with the loupe.

frankbmd 01-24-2023 09:06 AM

Don’t send it back.
It is now a 1 of 1.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Forever recognized in the hobby as the “Detritus Mays”

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2307471)
Don’t send it back.
It is now a 1 of 1.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Forever recognized in the hobby as the “Detritus Mays”

Nobody will want that thing...lol........They will say it needs a qualifier.

ValKehl 01-24-2023 09:27 AM

Hopefully, when the detritus is removed, it won't leave an impression on the card.

bnorth 01-24-2023 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2307475)
Nobody will want that thing...lol........They will say it needs a qualifier.

LOL, only the company that does by far the worst job at grading uses qualifiers. Even they seem to be getting away from that beyond silly practice.;):D

jingram058 01-24-2023 10:30 AM

If OP doesn't want to send it back, he can give it to his new long lost friend James. James will crack it out, remove the detritus, impression or otherwise, and just enjoy having the freaking card.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jingram058 (Post 2307504)
If OP doesn't want to send it back, he can give it to his new long lost friend James. James will crack it out, remove the detritus, impression or otherwise, and just enjoy having the freaking card.

LOLOLOLOL!!!! It's a nice one! Like someone else said, if that is trash in the slab, I hope it doesn't leave an impression.

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 10:48 AM

https://imgsrv.sellersourcebook.com/...jpg?1674582492

bobbyw8469 01-24-2023 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CardPadre (Post 2307467)
On the SGC provided scan, does look a lot more like marker. But also with a shadow…so maybe a marker streak on the inside of the front plastic? Good news is I think your card is okay and it’s really nice.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...15944ddece.jpg

Thank you Padre!!! It is nice!! I sent them a bunch of Red Man's. I think they look really sharp in the SGC holder. The ones without TABS all got Authentic only...I guess that is how they handle those. I always loved the look of the Red Man's!

Lorewalker 01-24-2023 10:54 AM

Nomination for best thread of 2023, without a doubt. I love this place. I have learned a lot, participated in some great discussions/debates but above all, I have been entertained. Leon where do I send payment?


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