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Zach Wheat 07-29-2015 09:10 PM

1991 Topps Desert Shield - What We Know & How to Spot a Fake
 
I was asked by a few others in a thread on the Pre-80 board initiate a separate thread to recap what we know about the 1991 Topps Desert Shield set and "How to spot a fake". Apologies in advance for the long post, but this encapsulates a number of years of research, hunting and review of thousands of cards. I certainly don't consider myself an expert in this area so feel free to chime in with questions, changes & corrections.

Understand Topps Mindset in Producing the Set
In order to get information on the background of production, I have reviewed numerous periodicals, newspapers & articles contemporaneous with this era for information on the set. Why did this set have such a short production run?

Topps marketing spokesman Bob Ibach indicates that, "...Topps isn't patting itself on the back and distributed the set..." with "...little fanfare in order to let the troops have a little reminder of home". Ibach also mentioned Topps did not anticipated many or any of the cards would make it home as the troops had little means of protecting or storing the cards. Seemingly their goal in producing the cards was short term in nature purely as a gesture of goodwill. At this time Pro Set had already distributed several million packs of football cards and Topps did not want to be left out. The cards had to be produced & shipped overseas relatively quickly and converting a set that was already in planning & production seemed to be the easiest way to meet these needs.

Operation Desert Shield took place from August 2, 1990-Jan 16, 1991. That operation was replaced by Operation Desert Storm starting on January 17, 1991. Topps spokesperson, Ken Liss indicates that Topps produced the cards quickly with a short shipping timeframe. A Jan. 1991 issue of the Chicago Tribune indicates Topps "...did this shortly after the first troops were sent to Saudi Arabia, so the cards say Desert Shield..." versus Desert Storm. Production of the cards ceased almost as soon as they started printing them.

The Feb 4, 1991 issue of The Pittsburgh Gazette indicates that "...the Topps cards were issued 2 Months prior..." (so Dec 1990) and that Topps had actually planned the shipment before the war (ie Desert Storm)
began. Timing dictated that Operation Desert Shield was over almost as soon as the cards arrived. In an article in the Myrtle Beach Air Star News, Topps spokesman Timm Boyle again mentions that approximately 5,400,00 cards were produced and that the entire allotment meant for the Air Force was returned to the base at Myrtle Beach unopened. This shipment accounted for approx. 1,500,000 cards. Boyle also mentioned that the production run was approx. 6,800 for each player (my math) or approx. 1/1,000th that of normal production.

Basics of the Set
The set was consists of 792 cards printed in 6 sheets which Topps designated Sheets A - F. Printing was done in one print run as evidenced by the 6 Key Cards detailed later on in this discussion - with each card produced equally. Of the 6 sheets, 2 sheets (A & B) have a bold red "40th Anniversary logo" on the reverse of the card while the remaining 4 sheets have similar, but much more faint impression of the same logo.

In addition, analysis of full printing sheets indicates that the set was probably produced early after the 1991 Topps set had already started production as some statistical changes were made from earlier 1991 Topps cards; however most changes were not included in the Desert Shield set. To date, there are no known data variations (only print ink variations).

On the reverse of each card, near the copyright logo, Topps indicated the sheet where each card was printed. When Topps switched or replaced certain cards in the print run - some times necessitating they change location on different sheets - Topps added the sheet designation to the new card. For instance, if a card on Sheet "E" needed some changes to the stats on the back of the card, Topps removed the card from the sheet, made the changes and then replaced it on, say Sheet "F" except for the reverse of the card would now state that the card was printed on "Sheet E*F*".

There are only 5 Desert Shield cards with a dual print sheet designation (#9 Fletcher, #87 T Jones, #233 Leiter, #676 Chiamparino and #696 Olin). These 5 cards are all situated close to each other on Sheet F*. A 6th card of Cal Ripken is also adjacent but does not have a sheet designation. The Ripken card is the only card in the set without a sheet designation. This data seems to suggest the set was printed in one continuous print run and that there are no print variations.

Glow Backs
It was noticed by illustrious N54 member 4Reals that certain cards had backs that fluoresced under UV light. In fact, it appears that when Topps execs decided to switch printing to the Desert Shield set, they also changed the ink combination on the cards. They added a brightner to the red ink used to print the "40th Anniversary logo" and red trim on the reverse of the cards. After much searching, it became evident that virtually all Desert Shield cards had a 40th Anniversary logo that glowed under UV light. It appears that Topps experimented on several sheets of cards - as some of the printing is slightly off and so is the UV enhanced "red ink". These cards soon became known as "glow back" cards. All known Desert Shield cards - except for a rare handful - are known to have a "glow back".

Which are the Real Checklists?
The checklists of Desert Shield cards do not contain the embossed Desert Shield logo. Even the original sheets have been inspected and found that the checklists do not contain the embossed logo. Unfortunately, PSA grades both error & revised checklists as true Desert Shield checklists. So how can we determine the true Desert Shield checklists?

Three of the 6 checklists (Cards #131, #366 & #527) can be found with errors on them as well as a corrected version. Review of the full uncut printer sheets indicates that the true Desert Shield checklists are the uncorrected "error" versions.

How to Spot a Fake
For all those that have read this far without falling asleep, a true Desert Shield card should by now, be easier to spot. A true Desert Shield card should have the following characteristics:
  • Desert Shield logo should be 13mm X 15 mm
  • Desert Shield logo should have a rounded bottom
  • Desert Shield logo should be "crisp" and not fuzzy
  • The logo can be either goldish or slightly silver - both colors seem to be legitimate
  • Stars on the Flag should not be fuzzy
  • The card should be a Glow Back ie flouresce under UV light. The red 40th Anniversary should jump out under UV light
  • The tip of the bottom most palm leaf should point between the "R & A" in " O P E R A T I O N"; fake logos have the word " OPERATION" shifted slightly to the left.

The last point in the list above is one of the 2 most obvious tells of fake Desert Shield card (the other being the glow back). In every instance where I have been unable to see something obviously fake about a card except for perhaps a slightly fuzzy logo - the palm leaf gave the card away as a fake. I can show examples later on if needed.

I have reached out to Ibach (who runs a marketing firm in Chicago), Liss and Boyle for continuing comments about the set and their time at Topps. No one had any additional information to add - other than to wonder why some looney was inquiring about a piece of cardboard produced almost a quarter century ago.

Apologies for the long post. Enjoy collecting the set and consider us all better educated as we learn together.

Z

pokerplyr80 07-29-2015 09:56 PM

Wow a lot of great information. I've always been curious about that set, but don't own any yet.

If you're not an expert on this set I don't know what one needs to do to be considered one.

bnorth 07-30-2015 04:40 AM

Thank you for the great post Mr. Wheat. When you have time I would really appreciate a nice close up scan of a real logo to compare mine with.

ALR-bishop 07-30-2015 09:13 AM

DS
 
Great info and commentary Zach....except for the part about Joe being "illustrious"....unless that means he glows fluorescent under a black light :)

Zach Wheat 07-30-2015 03:18 PM

Desert Shield
 
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Ben,

First, here is a fake logo with explanation. Close but no cigar. I am not sure which card this came from....might have been the Boggs we discussed.

Z

Zach Wheat 07-30-2015 03:22 PM

Fake Logo
 
I should have added that I initially suspected this card was fake because it was initially printed on an A or B sheet without a Bold "40th Anniversary" logo.. All known Desert Shield cards printed on Sheet A or B should have a bold 40th Anniversary logo.

This card did not have that and then I started looking at the logo more closely. This was the best "fake" DS card I have seen.

Z

Zach Wheat 07-30-2015 03:27 PM

Legit Logo
 
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Ben,

Here is a legit logo. The quickest way to identify a legit logo for me is that the embossing isn't fuzzy, you can see the stars in the flag and the tip of the lowest palm leaf is between the "R" & "A".

Z

RobDerhak 07-30-2015 04:44 PM

Great write up and thorough.

One thing you may change in the OP...

The tip of the bottom most palm leaf should point between the "E & R" in " O P E R A T I O N" instead of shifted.


The way this is worded (at least the way I interpreted it) is that on legit cards this is where the leaf should point...I looked through the ones I have and all pointed at the 'R A gap' and thought they were all bogus since they weren't at the 'E R gap'...then I got to your later post where it is spelled out clearer and breathed a sigh of relief :)

Just a little confusing if someone comes in & only reads the OP.

Like I said though, great instant resource of basically all that is known about them.

I'll add in that all indications are the packaging is the exact same as the regular issue...I talked to Steve Hart @ Baseball Card Exchange about this release when I found those unopened boxes (that turned out to not be DS), and he said he has seen both wax and cellophane packs contain DS cards.

Zach Wheat 07-30-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RobDerhak (Post 1436397)
Great write up and thorough.

One thing you may change in the OP...

The tip of the bottom most palm leaf...

I talked to Steve Hart @ Baseball Card Exchange about this release when I found those unopened boxes (that turned out to not be DS), and he said he has seen both wax and cellophane packs contain DS cards.

Good suggestion. Changed the wording....and I did not know DS cards could be found in both wax & cello. Still learning.

Z

bnorth 07-30-2015 07:43 PM

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Here is a pic of the only 2 I have. They both glow and the Boggs has the Bold back along with a wax stain. The one on the right seems to be a little thicker/heavier foil.

RobDerhak 07-30-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zach Wheat (Post 1436409)
....and I did not know DS cards could be found in both wax & cello. Still learning.

Z

I was surprised too...He told me there was no way to discern between Reg & DS, not satisfied with that I told him the unsealed boxes I found were cello and the vids of DS I had seen were Wax to see if that was a quick disqualifier, and said "Nope, no way to know without rippin'," so I guess he didn't say the words "I've seen both" but he sure implied it.

Zach Wheat 07-30-2015 09:55 PM

DS
 
Ben,

On the reverse of #450 Boggs, you can see A* near the copyright. As you have correcty indicated Sheet A* and B* cards like Boggs should have a bold "40th Anniversary" logo on the reverse. The Card is a glow back and the shield looks legit. Both cards actually look legit...but just curious who is on the other card?

Rob,

Steve at BBCE authenticates packs for PSA and he probably has methods which he doesnt disclose for authenticating as it is his livelihood. However, as you've stated, he probably does indeed rip packs to insure authenticity.

Z

Zach Wheat 07-30-2015 10:02 PM

Packs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobDerhak (Post 1436447)
I was surprised too...He told me there was no way to discern between Reg & DS, not satisfied with that I told him the unsealed boxes I found were cello and the vids of DS I had seen were Wax to see if that was a quick disqualifier, and said "Nope, no way to know without rippin'," so I guess he didn't say the words "I've seen both" but he sure implied it.

Rob,

Slight clarification....you can in fact tell non DS packs from DS packs....but you can't say a pack is a DS pack without opening it. The blacklight method can give you a false positive.

DS cards should be glow backs and you can see the red ink flouresce -even through the wrapping on the back of the pack - on true DS packs. However, Just because you see a glow back doesn't confirm it is a Pack of DS cards.

On the other hand if the Pack doesnt have a glow back it is almost certainly a regular issue 1991 Topps card.

Z

bnorth 07-31-2015 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Zach Wheat (Post 1436466)
Ben,

On the reverse of #450 Boggs, you can see A* near the copyright. As you have correcty indicated Sheet A* and B* cards like Boggs should have a bold "40th Anniversary" logo on the reverse. The Card is a glow back and the shield looks legit. Both cards actually look legit...but just curious who is on the other card?

Rob,

Steve at BBCE authenticates packs for PSA and he probably has methods which he doesnt disclose for authenticating as it is his livelihood. However, as you've stated, he probably does indeed rip packs to insure authenticity.

Z

The other card is a really cool looking Jose Rijo error card.

I would be very curious to see a full sheet. I would bet the logos vary slightly from card to card. Authenticating these cards would probably be easier if Topps had made them any other year. 91 was a crazy year for Topps. They used several different inks so even with a very short print run I could see them using more than 1 type of foil.

4reals 08-01-2015 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1436292)
Great info and commentary Zach....except for the part about Joe being "illustrious"....unless that means he glows fluorescent under a black light :)

I have spent many a night glowing under black lights but can honestly say I have never been described as illustrious. I got a tickle out of that, thank you. I must, however, give credit where credit is due. I learned of the glow backs on the base Topps set from a random Steve B. post buried in the archives. If anyone is illustrious it is he. I just went obsessive compulsive with it and discovered the fact of the DS cards along the way. Love that you compiled everything in one post Zach, makes it super easy to find, great work, brother.

bsuttonosu 08-01-2015 07:41 PM

Thanks...and some questions
 
Zach - First off, thank you for pulling this together in a post. As a player collector with a checklist of over 700 unique George Brett cards to run down I depend heavily on posts like these when researching rarer cards. Much appreciated.

A couple of questions...

"The tip of the bottom most palm leaf should point between the "R & A" in " O P E R A T I O N"; fake logos have the word " OPERATION" shifted slightly to the left."

In looking at the pictures, should this say that the word on fakes is shifted to the RIGHT? Thus making the leaf hit further left in the word between E and R on fakes versus between R & A on real cards?

I'm also wondering if there's variation in the intensity of fluorescing? I have both the base and record breaker Bretts. It's obvious on the base. Foil looks right and the red logo glows bright. On the RB, the foil looks the same, the red border on the back fluoresces but the logo not so much. Maybe it's just harder to see with the text over it on the RB versus the stat back.

Zach Wheat 08-02-2015 11:15 AM

DS
 
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Originally Posted by bsuttonosu (Post 1436973)
Zach - First off, thank you for pulling this together in a post. As a player collector with a checklist of over 700 unique George Brett cards to run down I depend heavily on posts like these when researching rarer cards. Much appreciated.

A couple of questions...

"The tip of the bottom most palm leaf should point between the "R & A" in " O P E R A T I O N"; fake logos have the word " OPERATION" shifted slightly to the left."

In looking at the pictures, should this say that the word on fakes is shifted to the RIGHT? Thus making the leaf hit further left in the word between E and R on fakes versus between R & A on real cards?

I'm also wondering if there's variation in the intensity of fluorescing? I have both the base and record breaker Bretts. It's obvious on the base. Foil looks right and the red logo glows bright. On the RB, the foil looks the same, the red border on the back fluoresces but the logo not so much. Maybe it's just harder to see with the text over it on the RB versus the stat back.

B,

Not all fake logos have the word OPERATION shifted to the left. The best faked DS cards I have seen show this trait though. The other Fake DS cards have other "tells" like fuzzy logos etc. Just to be clear....on legit DS cards, the tip of the palm leaf is pointy and almost looks like it is dripping....and will come down between the letters "R A" in OPERATION.

The red ink on the reverse of the card in the "40th Anniversary" logo will glow strongly. There will be different variations in the strength of its glow - but you should notice it glowing. It appears that when they first started printing with the brightener added to the red ink - making it fluoresce - there was some variability. Following is Joe 4Reals original pic of the glow backs. You can see the red trim on the card glowing really well and the 40th Anniversary logo. You can even see the red ink glowing through the back of an unopened pack.

Z

Ltlbvr 09-29-2021 08:11 PM

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Just purchased a raw DS set on eBay. Thanks for the black light tip! Just one card that does not glow. See attached pic.

jp1216 09-30-2021 07:38 AM

Brian! Beauty of a set. What card failed the test?

bnorth 09-30-2021 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ltlbvr (Post 2149420)
Just purchased a raw DS set on eBay. Thanks for the black light tip! Just one card that does not glow. See attached pic.

Is it a legit DS card? Not all of them glow.

hockeyhockey 09-30-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2149528)
Is it a legit DS card? Not all of them glow.

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hockeyhockey 09-30-2021 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2149528)
Is it a legit DS card? Not all of them glow.

and there are counterfeit ones that glow, too. there's tons of glowback 1991 regular topps cards, so the unwashed miscreants now use them to dupe people.

i started to build the DS set and realized that 20 cards i acquired were fakes. did a quick 180 and sold off all the legit ones. that's not a project i'd be comfortable building.

Ltlbvr 10-03-2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jp1216 (Post 2149527)
Brian! Beauty of a set. What card failed the test?

Thanks Jon. It’s checklist #5. 656, I think.

Ltlbvr 10-03-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2149528)
Is it a legit DS card? Not all of them glow.

Honestly, I need to learn more. It’s a checklist, so no gold stamp. Checklist #5. 656, I think. Any tips on authenticating?

ALR-bishop 10-03-2021 09:04 AM

I have a DS set and have CLs with it, but it is my understanding there are no differences between the DS checklists and the standard checklists. However, because of variations among the 91 checklists and the existence of DS uncut sheets, it is my belief that on at least 4 of the checklists you can determine if they are NOT DS checklists. Those being CLs 1,3,4 and 5.

Zach Wheat who started this thread is my go to guy on DS cards. You might pm or email him to see if he can offer more info on identifying DS checklists.

It is my understanding that that the DS CL 1s have Phil Bradley rather than Mookie Wilson as 727. That the DS CL 3 has Carl Nichols as 19 rather than 119. That DS CL 4 incorrectly has Keith Miller as 105 and Kevin McReynolds as 527. And DS CL 5 correctly has Palacios as 348, Lind as 381 and Lavalliere as 537.

See this CU thread for background

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...eld-variations

bnorth 10-03-2021 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ltlbvr (Post 2150387)
Honestly, I need to learn more. It’s a checklist, so no gold stamp. Checklist #5. 656, I think. Any tips on authenticating?

I agree with Al. PM Mr Wheat and ask him he is a great guy.

hockeyhockey 10-28-2021 01:38 PM

PSA can call this desert shield but won't upgrade my randy johnson marlboros from obscured :D:D

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36358840907...cAAOSwdy5hcGI6

bnorth 10-28-2021 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyhockey (Post 2158170)
PSA can call this desert shield but won't upgrade my randy johnson marlboros from obscured :D:D

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36358840907...cAAOSwdy5hcGI6

If that really was a DS card it would go for insane cash. I believe it would be the first card with a error and corrected version.

You could always take a black marker and make the Marlboro signs more obscured.:D

hockeyhockey 10-29-2021 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2158200)
If that really was a DS card it would go for insane cash. I believe it would be the first card with a error and corrected version.

You could always take a black marker and make the Marlboro signs more obscured.:D

i saw this auction and did a triple take. love the outside border whiten. may have to bid even though i already have one.

:) true true!

Statfreak101 10-29-2021 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeyhockey (Post 2158323)
i saw this auction and did a triple take. love the outside border whiten. may have to bid even though i already have one.

:) true true!

What is PSA's typical response for not relabeling your Marlboro RJ's?

hockeyhockey 10-29-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Statfreak101 (Post 2158422)
What is PSA's typical response for not relabeling your Marlboro RJ's?

i'm not an expert, so maybe they aren't technically marlboros. the sign is certainly visible in all of them. but i look and see ones listed as marlboro that don't even have a sign :D:D

bnorth 10-29-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeyhockey (Post 2158428)
i'm not an expert, so maybe they aren't technically marlboros. the sign is certainly visible in all of them. but i look and see ones listed as marlboro that don't even have a sign :D:D

Neither is PSA.:D

There is no ryme or reason to the way tbey label the Marlboro versions. I still buy the raw Marlboro errors people list as corrected at corrected prices. I do the same with the error versons PSA labels as the corrected version.

4reals 10-30-2021 12:58 AM

So...I learned that it MIGHT be possible to discern/confirm an unopened DS pack from a regular issue pack by putting a stud finder on the pack. Apparently the stud finder picks up the foil stamp and beeps. I would love to hear if anyone else tries this and it works. I don't have a DS pack myself.

bnorth 10-30-2021 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 4reals (Post 2158654)
So...I learned that it MIGHT be possible to discern/confirm an unopened DS pack from a regular issue pack by putting a stud finder on the pack. Apparently the stud finder picks up the foil stamp and beeps. I would love to hear if anyone else tries this and it works. I don't have a DS pack myself.

You don't need a DS pack. If it really works you could try it with just the DS cards or if you want to get fancy you could make your own pack using any wrapper.

4reals 10-30-2021 09:07 AM

I don’t own a stud finder either. If anyone else tries and it works I’d love to know though.


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4reals 11-01-2021 11:24 AM

I went out and got a stud finder this weekend and gave it a shot and it didn’t work


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bnorth 11-01-2021 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 4reals (Post 2159438)
I went out and got a stud finder this weekend and gave it a shot and it didn’t work


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It was worth a try. Thanks for letting us know it didn't work.

steve B 11-01-2021 01:43 PM

There should be a way to pick up the foil though.

4reals 11-01-2021 01:54 PM

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There should be a way to pick up the foil though.


Maybe a handheld metal detector if they sell such a thing


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al032184 12-15-2021 01:53 PM

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ALR-bishop 12-15-2021 02:14 PM

I wonder how many different fake versions exist and if you could put together a full set of one kind of fakes, or if you thought you had done so but then found out one of your fakes was real.

bnorth 12-15-2021 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 2175310)
I wonder how many different fake versions exist and if you could put together a full set of one kind of fakes, or if you thought you had done so but then found out one of your fakes was real.

I have 3 or 4 different fake Wade Boggs cards and I should be receiving another soon.

I have seen a full set of fakes all with the same fake stamp. I have the Boggs from that set.

lowpopper 12-19-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4reals (Post 2159502)
Maybe a handheld metal detector if they sell such a thing


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Get a White's Bulleye II pinpointer. Works phenomenal

Zach Wheat 12-20-2021 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lowpopper (Post 2176655)
Get a White's Bulleye II pinpointer. Works phenomenal

Just clarifying - does it work for picking up the embossing on cards? Or a White's Bulleye II pinpointer works phenomenal as a handheld metal detector?

bnorth 12-20-2021 07:12 PM

Received a little over half of the set in the mail today and should be getting the rest tomorrow. Going to be for sale after I go through them. My eyes hurt I looked at so many today.

todeen 12-20-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2177067)
Received a little over half of the set in the mail today and should be getting the rest tomorrow. Going to be for sale after I go through them. My eyes hurt I looked at so many today.

The set of fakes you referenced earlier?

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bnorth 12-20-2021 09:39 PM

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The set of fakes you referenced earlier?

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No, that was a couple years ago I seen the complete set of fakes. The set I just got has a bad Boggs and hopefully not many other bad cards.

bnorth 12-21-2021 07:40 PM

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The set of fakes you referenced earlier?

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Looked through it and would say it has great centering and NrMint overall. The Ryan card was the only graded card and the Chipper Jones is bad like expected from the pics. The Boggs turned out to be good, just looked bad from a bad picture.

So I ended up with a very nice complete set minus Chipper with 17 doubles including Bo Jackson. If anyone is looking.

todeen 12-23-2021 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2177465)
Looked through it and would say it has great centering and NrMint overall. The Ryan card was the only graded card and the Chipper Jones is bad like expected from the pics. The Boggs turned out to be good, just looked bad from a bad picture.



So I ended up with a very nice complete set minus Chipper with 17 doubles including Bo Jackson. If anyone is looking.

Very cool, congrats. I have always loved the 1991 design. It was the first cards I remember buying at 5 years old. So I like all of its variations.

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GrewUpWithJunkWax 12-23-2021 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyhockey (Post 2149693)
and there are counterfeit ones that glow, too. there's tons of glowback 1991 regular topps cards, so the unwashed miscreants now use them to dupe people.

i started to build the DS set and realized that 20 cards i acquired were fakes. did a quick 180 and sold off all the legit ones. that's not a project i'd be comfortable building.

Recently, I was close to buying my first DS, but wanted to research more. I was only looking to get 3 or so choice players, but never realized how many fakes were circulating, and then seeing the examples of slabbed fakes :(

I appreciate all the knowledge being shared, but I still have a ways to go before getting comfortable with spotting real/fake.


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