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scmavl 02-26-2021 10:06 AM

GUESS THE GRADE: Jordan Rookie *GRADE IS IN*
 
I just sent this to PSA for Walk-Through service, so after the slow Registered Mail trip it should pop pretty quickly. I bought the set from a coworker 5-6 years ago and basically gave all the other cards away awhile back (I know, I know). I have an idea of what I think it should grade, so what do you folks think? I realize it's in a sleeve, but do your best. I think the specs near the yellow border by his name are on the holder, not the card.

I'll send the first person to correctly guess it a little gift. N54 member vintagetoppsguy was nice enough to send me some large penny sleeves at no charge, so I thought a little giveaway would be good karma.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d673292f_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bf6a77f2_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a77a7aa1_c.jpg

D. Bergin 02-26-2021 10:13 AM

7.5

scmavl 02-26-2021 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2073709)
7.5

That's what my thinking is, too.

Blackie 02-26-2021 10:19 AM

8

nebboy 02-26-2021 10:22 AM

Nice card - see a few small conditions that I believe keeps the card in the EX-MT range so my guess is

6.5

Hope it goes well and you get the grade your hopping for.

stlcardsfan 02-26-2021 10:35 AM

Straight 7. Awesome card

GasHouseGang 02-26-2021 10:52 AM

I was guessing 7.5 but it might slip to a 7. Nice card.

Hxcmilkshake 02-26-2021 01:00 PM

6.5 nice!!!!

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Econteachert205 02-26-2021 01:37 PM

7.5

Rookiemonster 02-26-2021 07:18 PM

Psa 5

7nohitter 02-27-2021 12:10 PM

based on those bottom corners, 6.5.....maybe a 7.

Beautiful card!

BobbyStrawberry 02-27-2021 01:33 PM

7 is my guess

hockeyhockey 02-27-2021 01:34 PM

i'll go 6 cuz PSA can be filthy animals at times

Touch'EmAll 02-27-2021 06:21 PM

Top 2 corners look nice, PSA 9 type corners. Bottom 2 corners look high end 7 type corners. Cerntering wonderful. Edges would grade 8. Assume no surface issues. In total I would go PSA 7 or 7.5 Have seen cards like that in 8 holder - especially older 50's & 60's. But the modern colored boarders/edges are tough.

bnorth 02-27-2021 08:04 PM

If sending cards to PSA has taught me anything it's that that card can easily grade anyplace from A-10,:)

John1941 02-28-2021 04:19 PM

I'll go with 7.

Wid_Conroy 02-28-2021 06:36 PM

Funny without seeing any responses I was thinking textbook 7.
But Iím thinking 7.5 because itís very nicely centered

pokerplyr80 02-28-2021 06:41 PM

First thought was 8, but since someone already picked that I will say 8 5

Wid_Conroy 02-28-2021 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 2074865)
First thought was 8, but since someone already picked that I will say 8 5

Honestly this might actually get an 8. The centering is excellent , and Iím not sure the corners are that bad.... some white showing but still sharp

bnorth 02-28-2021 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy (Post 2074871)
Honestly this might actually get an 8. The centering is excellent , and I’m not sure the corners are that bad.... some white showing but still sharp

Plus they could easily be fixed.:eek::D

It's a very nice cards good luck on the grade.

scmavl 03-01-2021 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy (Post 2074871)
Honestly this might actually get an 8. The centering is excellent , and Iím not sure the corners are that bad.... some white showing but still sharp

I think if this wasn't a Jordan RC, it might get an 8. Or if I'd sent it in 5 years ago. Nowadays, I think they'll overscrutinize it based on the notoriety of the card. I'm thinking 7.5, as that is the grade it deserves. If it comes in at anything less than a 6.5 I'll be quite displeased.

scmavl 03-04-2021 10:06 AM

Arrived at PSA yesterday, has been logged, and is now "In Grading". Should know something by tomorrow, I'd think.

Peter_Spaeth 03-04-2021 10:59 AM

8

scmavl 03-04-2021 02:15 PM

Please be right, Peter.

It's now at Quality Assurance 2, the final step before shipping.

scmavl 03-04-2021 06:30 PM

Grade is in. A freaking 5. I'm at a loss (although Dustin guessed it). There is obviously no wrinkle, or it would top off at a 4. I do not get it.

KangsKards 03-04-2021 06:48 PM

On the first pass I was thinking it was a bit nicer than I did after really scrutinizing, best you can online. That's kind of the good news, that it's a card when you or anyone else looks at it, they're likely to think, "Dang, that's a really nice Jordan rookie."

When I looked a few more times after the first I was thinking 6.5. I'm pretty surprised about a 5. But then I remember PSA is an awful, horrid company. Joe Orlando should wear a mask and carry a gun every 15 days. My attorney has instructed me to include, "That's all my opinion."

Rookiemonster 03-04-2021 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scmavl (Post 2076818)
Grade is in. A freaking 5. I'm at a loss (although Dustin guessed it). There is obviously no wrinkle, or it would top off at a 4. I do not get it.

Let me start by saying sorry that you were disappointed. Iím sure everyone would agree that itís a beautiful card and any one of us would gladly put it in out collection.

My grade was based off the corners and edges (mainly the bottom left) . Also it could be the pic but it appears to have some discoloration on the back. Again congrats on a epic piece .

BRoberts 03-04-2021 06:51 PM

Based on what can be seen in the photos, that makes little to no sense.

scmavl 03-04-2021 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster (Post 2076827)
My grade was based off the corners and edges (mainly the bottom left) . Also it could be the pic but it appears to have some discoloration on the back. Again congrats on a epic piece .

Thanks Dustin, your prize will be in the mail soon. As for the back, thatís just the photo because the back was clean as a whistle. I guess since I got it in before the price hike, Iím paying for it one way or the other.

swarmee 03-04-2021 07:20 PM

A surface wrinkle can get a 5, per their grading scale. Usually on the back of the card.

slidekellyslide 03-05-2021 10:26 AM

I think this is just more proof that PSA is going to be harder from this point forward on all iconic cards. Has anyone watched the pop reports lately on this card? How many 10s, 9s or 8s have been added within the last 6 months?

scmavl 03-05-2021 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 2077030)
I think this is just more proof that PSA is going to be harder from this point forward on all iconic cards. Has anyone watched the pop reports lately on this card? How many 10s, 9s or 8s have been added within the last 6 months?

I really, really wish I'd sent this card in 5 years ago. It just sat there in a toploader forever!

nebboy 03-05-2021 11:21 AM

When I guessed the card would come back as a 6.5 I was thinking just like Dan mentioned in his post about tough grades on high profile cards. But I really surprised at seeing what the grade popped at.

bnorth 03-05-2021 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scmavl (Post 2076818)
Grade is in. A freaking 5. I'm at a loss (although Dustin guessed it). There is obviously no wrinkle, or it would top off at a 4. I do not get it.

If keeping it just be happy it is protected for now. If selling into this crazy market I would 100% crack out and Please Submit Again and see what happens.

scmavl 03-05-2021 11:45 AM

This should pop today. Anyone want to guess on how hard they're going to hammer Hank?

I was think due to the back top right corner, it can't do better than a 3.5 but now I'm just hoping for a 2!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...dc1da79e_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3749bcf2_z.jpg

slinger23 03-05-2021 01:09 PM

I am going with a 3 on the Aaron rookie.

On the Jordan rookie, is there a small stain on the white area of the right edge on the front?

Best looking 5 I have seen!

D. Bergin 03-05-2021 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slinger23 (Post 2077097)
I am going with a 3 on the Aaron rookie.

On the Jordan rookie, is there a small stain on the white area of the right edge on the front?

Best looking 5 I have seen!


I see what you're looking at. I assumed a shadow, but maybe not.

scmavl 03-05-2021 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slinger23 (Post 2077097)
I am going with a 3 on the Aaron rookie.

On the Jordan rookie, is there a small stain on the white area of the right edge on the front?

Best looking 5 I have seen!

I have never noticed it in-hand, but when I look at the photos it's in all of them. So yeah, I guess so. Eagle eye, my friend!

D. Bergin 03-05-2021 01:18 PM

It's amazing how widely the aesthetic look of a card can vary at the bottom end of the PSA grading spectrum.

I"ll go with an optimistic 3.5 on the Aaron card, even though it looks better then lots of 5's I've seen, and then will assume it will come in under a 3.

There.........I've covered all my bases. :confused:

rats60 03-05-2021 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide (Post 2077030)
I think this is just more proof that PSA is going to be harder from this point forward on all iconic cards. Has anyone watched the pop reports lately on this card? How many 10s, 9s or 8s have been added within the last 6 months?

Or it could be PSA being PSA. I had a friend about 20 years ago who opened a box of 1986 Fleer and pulled 3 beautiful Jordan RCs. Graded with PSA and got two 7s and one 8. He showed them to a dealer who graded a lot and he couldn't believe how under graded they were.

I think the Aaron is a 3/3.5. Hopefully better luck on that one.

scmavl 03-05-2021 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2077059)
If keeping it just be happy it is protected for now.

Thanks Ben, this is the right way to think of it. Even though the eBay sold prices make it very tempting, itís staying in my personal collection.

Peter_Spaeth 03-05-2021 09:05 PM

My presumption based on the pics and the OP's assessment is that it's just one more example of PSA kicking the crap out of people who aren't their favorite submitters. I'd love to see what one of them would get on the same card.

ZiggerZagger 03-05-2021 09:46 PM

I'm going to estimate a 2.5 on the Aaron. The centering and presentation really does deserve the half-grade bump, but I'm not sure they will consider those corners modern-day "3" corners.

They have gotten so tough. Unfairly so.

dio 03-06-2021 08:00 AM

PSA is BS, they don't even follow their grading scale description
submit 10 times and you get 10 different result

scmavl 03-06-2021 01:01 PM

No grade yet on the Aaron, although it was supposed to be 2-day service. Next week, I guess. It’s in QC 1 right now.

Republicaninmass 03-06-2021 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dio (Post 2077416)
PSA is BS, they don't even follow their grading scale description
submit 10 times and you get 10 different result


Exaggerate much?

stlcardsfan 03-07-2021 12:10 PM

I agree with a 3 on Hank. Another awesome card.

scmavl 03-08-2021 09:54 AM

Grade is in on Hammerin' Hank. The '54 Aaron got a 2.5 After the Jordan, I wasn't surprised. Just happy it got the .5 bump, I guess. I also sent in a Goudey Ruth that I expected to get a 1, so at least I got that one right and it wasn't deemed Trimmed or something.

dealme 03-09-2021 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scmavl (Post 2078367)
Grade is in on Hammerin' Hank. The '54 Aaron got a 2.5 After the Jordan, I wasn't surprised. Just happy it got the .5 bump, I guess. I also sent in a Goudey Ruth that I expected to get a 1, so at least I got that one right and it wasn't deemed Trimmed or something.

I have a PSA 2 '54 Aaron that I acquired in 2017, and quite frankly, your card is a much nicer version. Mine has four somewhat soft corners and small bit of paper loss on the front. Probably goes back your point regarding some of today's higher profile cards getting much more scrutiny. Regardless, it's a great looking card.

Cheers,
Mark

scmavl 03-10-2021 06:16 PM

Thanks, Mark.

And the Jordan arrived today. Best looking 5 I've seen!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fa0587d0_z.jpg

DanP 03-10-2021 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scmavl (Post 2079377)
Thanks, Mark.

And the Jordan arrived today. Best looking 5 I've seen!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fa0587d0_z.jpg

Yes, it is! Congratulations. I predict that when (if) you sell you get high end 5 and even PSA 6 prices.

Enjoy!

scmavl 03-12-2021 06:46 AM

I hope (and think, optimistically) you're right, Dan. For now, just tucking it into my collection.

Mr. Aaron arrived yesterday, looking mighty dapper.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...09c3dc96_z.jpg

Harliduck 03-12-2021 09:22 AM

Love the Aaron...sure looks better than .5 than mine. My 2 is OC top/bottom and softer corners. BUT...it's an SGC grade, so...

scmavl 03-12-2021 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harliduck (Post 2079951)
Love the Aaron...sure looks better than .5 than mine. My 2 is OC top/bottom and softer corners. BUT...it's an SGC grade, so...

We're just both lucky to have this classic card, no matter what the flip says. :)

Harliduck 03-12-2021 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scmavl (Post 2079956)
We're just both lucky to have this classic card, no matter what the flip says. :)

Absolutely agree...:)

MU Wally 03-12-2021 08:54 PM

I'm curious if you ever used a magnifying glass to look for a winkle on the Jordan front/back? That would seem to be the only reason for a 5. Lighting can also effect the ability to see subtle ones - although I'm sure you know all this.

Rookiemonster 03-12-2021 09:45 PM

I got the card you sent me ! Thank you for the awesome prize !

scmavl 03-13-2021 04:14 PM

You’re welcome, Rookiemonster.

And I did check it out, Wally. I couldn’t find anything so who knows. Great suggestion though!

pokerplyr80 03-14-2021 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanP (Post 2079380)
Yes, it is! Congratulations. I predict that when (if) you sell you get high end 5 and even PSA 6 prices.

Enjoy!

I would pay a high end 5 price for it

steve5838 03-14-2021 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 2080802)
I would pay a high end 5 price for it

Me too. That is a beautiful card!

Steve

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