This is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Is this normal for an SGC card??
 

This card is now ruined. I did NOT mail this in with a magic marker mark on the card. Now it has a huge magic marker mark on the card!!! To say I am dumbfounded and without words is a huge understatement!!!

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Wow - Just Wow

Unbelievably crappy incident from the company that wants to overtake the leader?

Call the mafia

Am I missing something? I don't see any magic marker markings. I see what appears to be a long piece of black plastic stuck inside the holder though. Looks like a piece was shaved off the inner black liner and got left behind? Have you looked at that with a loupe? Am I looking at the right thing?

Whatever it is, it looks like it has some dimensionality to it. It casts a shadow and has light bouncing off of it in different directions. It looks like an object to me, not ink.

This is what I thought as well at first glance.

Yes, it's detritus in the slab. Send it back and they'll fix it, I'm sure.

What is detrius??? It looks like magic marker.

The Mafia?? The Sopranos went off the air in 95.

That isn’t marker, it’s something inside the slab. You can see on the right side that whatever it is is casting a shadow meaning it’s not marker

I hope you are right. I got the card in hand and it looks like marker. I have tried vibrating the card to get it to move, and it has not budged.

Returning the card to SGC to have the detritus :) removed is an inconvenience alright, but sometimes mistakes happen. It is a nice looking Mays card though.

It leaves a shadow and is catching light change so it’s not a marker. It’s plastic. Bad quality control.

But at least the card was back promptly :rolleyes:

100% agree
 

Agree with all previous comments - it is not marker - poor quality control.

Glad to hear

I hope that wasn't a marker.

Based on the last two day's posts you should switch to PSA.

Who else had an issue??? I remember the one guy had a pubic hair in his 1963 Mantle card. Was there someone else?

I had the same thought. Definitely doesn't look like marker.

It looks like one in hand......and when I tape on the card, it doesn't move.

That's what I was going to say. It would have to be extraordinarily thick ink to cast a shadow.

It's just wedged. I agree with others, poor quality control but probably not a mark.
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I have to agree with everyone in saying that it doesn't look like marker and looks like a strip of plastic due to the shadows it casts and the way the light is reflected differently in different places. It's possible it's not moving when you tap on it because of the way the holder is sealed. Maybe it's just stuck in place?

Marker?
 

No chance that is marker. It is 3d. Send it back so they can remove the plastic strip. Jeff W

I'm in the piece of plastic camp. Also, I'm not familiar with SGC's grading process or criteria, but if it was a marker, wouldn't it probably have happened before grading, and knocked it down to less than a 3?

I don’t think that’s a marker. It doesn’t appear flat. Probably a plastic piece from the apron. A headache, but SGC will probably fix the issue for you after a phone call or two.

Yep, definitely appears to be a piece of plastic. SGC should definitely fix this gratis. Please let us know what they respond with.

I agree Bobby, definitely detritus.

:)

That is what people are saying but I have zero idea what that means. Has this happened before??? What causes it?

In this camp too Bobby, with the cast shadow this really seems to be one of two possibilities. Either a scrap object within the case, or possibly a mark on the outside of the case casting the shadow.

Send for a recasing.

It's not on the outside because Goof off did absolutely nothing to it.

de·tri·tus
/dəˈtrīdəs,ˈdetrədəs/
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noun
waste or debris of any kind.
"streets filled with rubble and detritus"

Was it Mickey's? If so get it to Ken Goldin pronto.

LOL....No..it wasn't Mickey's. You didn't hear about that one though?

I agree. Looks like something between the glass and the card and not a mark on the card.

Can't you just look with a loupe? This seems like it would be a very simple thing to figure out.

Well it was a just a guess on possibilities as to shadow. In the future, I find goof off is near worthless on permanent marker. Switch to 99% rubbing alcohol. Much better.

This is UNBELIEVABLE!!! I can NOT BELIEVE SGC did this to my card!!!!!
 

On the SGC provided scan, does look a lot more like marker. But also with a shadow…so maybe a marker streak on the inside of the front plastic? Good news is I think your card is okay and it’s really nice.

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agree with ben

I got a loupe. I will look again.

Tilt it back and forth while looking at it with the loupe.

Don’t send it back.
It is now a 1 of 1.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Forever recognized in the hobby as the “Detritus Mays”

Nobody will want that thing...lol........They will say it needs a qualifier.

Hopefully, when the detritus is removed, it won't leave an impression on the card.

LOL, only the company that does by far the worst job at grading uses qualifiers. Even they seem to be getting away from that beyond silly practice.;):D

If OP doesn't want to send it back, he can give it to his new long lost friend James. James will crack it out, remove the detritus, impression or otherwise, and just enjoy having the freaking card.

LOLOLOLOL!!!! It's a nice one! Like someone else said, if that is trash in the slab, I hope it doesn't leave an impression.

Thank you Padre!!! It is nice!! I sent them a bunch of Red Man's. I think they look really sharp in the SGC holder. The ones without TABS all got Authentic only...I guess that is how they handle those. I always loved the look of the Red Man's!

Nomination for best thread of 2023, without a doubt. I love this place. I have learned a lot, participated in some great discussions/debates but above all, I have been entertained. Leon where do I send payment?

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! I wasn't my intention to entertain anyone. But I'm sorry I freaked out over it, and posted on here to get thoughts and ideas as to what it was.

I think there was a story arc in Peanuts, where Pigpen spends his Halloween trick or treating with his best friend, Detritus Mays.

Peanuts was a great strip.

Great thread! I've heard the word detritus in the past but I don't think I ever took the time to look it up. I learned something today.

After further examination Bobby, I don't think that is undesirable detritus... it looks like the infamous Mays swoosh autograph. You may actually now have a signed Mays Red Man!

One of my coworkers actually signs her name like that. Crazy, I know.

First thing that jumped out at me, other than the shadow play, was the absolutely straight ends of the black interloper. That is something that would never occur in the natural marker-using world...unless, perhaps, some highly skilled medieval scribe (with proper pen nib attachments) was recently employed by SGC?? :D

I'm thinking it's more like swarf rather than detritus, but that's just me. :)

Did you even loupe it before concluding it was marker?

Was it a relic card with Mantle's pubic hair? Who knows, something like that could be very valuable and PSA DNA could actually be useful for this.

Edited to add - it looks like foreign material from the black insert that is lodged in with the card. Magic marker? probably not.

Interesting and amusing thread. Being an IT guy, with my logical outlook, I keep wondering why anyone would think the SGC graders would be armed with a sharpie in the first place. I'll bet a T206 Hal Chase there isn't a marker anywhere inside any of the grading rooms, and therefore it's impossible that black streak isn't detritus.

The Red Man Willie without the rubber worm sure looks better than a 3 to me. The offending plastic must have happened. during encapsulation, I am guessing.

This is what I am wondering how is detritus or whatever it's called any better. As tight as it those slabs are encased it is bound to leave some kind of mark which will also bring down the grade. Either way SGC screwed up what appears to be an awesome card. I would be angry.

That’s actually a very reasonable line of thinking, and this example below is a different company…but did this BGS grader evaluate the card and then run to the secured sharpie room to draw his Xs and the outline of the trimmed areas from memory? There are probably more dangers in the grading rooms than we know. I don’t know for sure what the issue is on the OP’s card, but the SGC scan makes it look a little different than the scan on this thread. Eagerly awaiting the final determination.

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Who knows.....I have sharpies in my office. They go nowhere near my raw cards however.

I am amused that the OP is getting more flack for confusing a marker mark and detritus than SGC is for screwing up another card. At least it’s not somebody’s pube this time? The standards people have for SGC are incredibly low or nonexistent.

Someone will try and pass it off as a late stage Mays signed Red Man.

No offense but if anyone thinks that it's a sharpie mark you need a new monitor or phone or whatever device you're looking at the image with.

When Bobby first posted the thread I thought he was joking about the sharpie mark.

Pat....I'll be the first to admit. My eyes are shit. I'm not 40 anymore. When my eyes turned to shit, it literally happened overnight. One day I had perfect vision. The next day, things were blurry. And yes, when I looked at the card via the image they provided, it looked like a marker. Especially where it got light in the middle. Only when I looked at it with the loupe in really bright light did it appear to be "something foreign". What it is, I have no idea. It is not a pubic hair. Someone else suggested a shaving from the black gasket?? I have no idea.

This. I don't think I am really getting flack though. We are having a discussion. I asked for help. I am getting it. I am just amazed at things that go thru as OK. I've have seen BOTH companies I use do it. I half jokingly volunteered to be their Quality Control guy. I think I would be perfect at it. I know what collectors would be happy with, and I know what would piss them off. As an added bonus, I like the weather in Florida.

Apparently, it already has.

It looks like it has to me as well.....

Definitely not a marker. Actually looks like a thin piece of black wire.

Correct.....My original thought has been corrected. It is a foreign object. Hopefully it hasn't damaged the card.

+1,000

Yep, those ends are perfectly square and is what I also noticed too.

Great news.
That's a sharp looking card! :)

What's the point in bashing the TPG'ers anymore???? They all screw up...routinely. Some more than others...but they ALL make mistakes.

They are a necessary evil in the hobby...which we have to live with.

Correct. All they can do is strive to be better. It just seems like some of this stuff could be avoidable. I guess when they are churning out as many cards as they are, it's just one gigantic blur.

We have so little...don't take this away from us!

bitch away then! I like to complain sometimes too!!!