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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Once again, I hate outing an auction, but this is a bit incredible! Obviously, if a card's condition is your thing, this one's not for you. My question(s): How, when, and WHY did this happen? The two pieces fit together PERFECTLY, like a jigsaw puzzle. Wouldn't there be at least some fraying of the torn sections had this occurred ages ago? And if the damage was recent, why!!? Seller also indicates the card is skinned, which would, imo, cause the torn areas to be even more fragile. Or is this just a big ass scam? Tearing it in two would be such a crazy stunt, that it couldn't possibly be deliberate? Maybe that's the "sheer" genius of it! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290170029316&ssPa geName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290170029316&ssPa geName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019</a><br /><br />I realize that a lot of you guys wouldn't want this in a million years. But for us HOF collectors, this guy is one of the biggies. I'd take one in any condition - if its real.

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>Do you really hate outing auctions? I ask because I've noticed several outings in recent days. Did you contact the seller? what did he say? Will Hays doesn't usually engage in the sort of scams that you describe.

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Actually, this is only the second time that I've ever asked about an ongoing auction. I have no experience with this particular seller, although I have seen his handle many times and did feel that there was a good chance this was legit. Just wanted the board's opinion on such a whacky listing.

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>It's real. It appears to be skinned. Will Hays is as reputable as they come. As far as outing the auction I figure it's listed properly on ebay so it's no big secret, however this does draw a little more attention to it.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>You can't "out" a Sandiegowill auction. He has so many regular customers and watchers it would be like outing a sale at Walmart.<br /><br />And for the record Will is as good a dealer as they get. No scam here.

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Posted By: <b>Denny Walsh</b><p>Ditto....<br />San Diego Will is Top Notch in every inning of the game! He always has Great Stuff.... Even Better than Stuffmart! Ahhh, i mean Walmart <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> <br /><br />Life's Grand,<br />Denny Walsh

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Posted By: <b>BcD</b><p>which auction house consigns the stuff to them for ten points!<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I've bought from Will several times. Items are always as described, and they arrive well packaged in good time.<br /><br />I have no doubt about the legitimacy of this auction.

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Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>I always laugh when I hear someone is upset for outing an auction on here.<br />Nothing slides by us here. I saw this auction that was in question long ago<br />and see 99.9% of all others that are brought up to the boards attention. <br />Everyone here, (including myself) scan Ebay pretty thorough and for someone<br />to think these auctions aren't seen by most all here are kidding themselves.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>for Mastro?<br />

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>My bet is that the tear is recent and it happened while tugging from the side during scrap book removal by somebody that didn't know better. IMO<br /><br />Rob M.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>SCP

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Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>My biggest laugh -- and not just reserved for this auction -- is how the book value is often stated: in this case "NM $2,500." If a card is ripped in two pieces, what the heck does NM have to do with it. I have a lot of "if onlys" for my own cards...if only the corners weren't shot, if only there wasn't a hole in the card...etc.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>sounds like alot of what I do when perusing my collection! - except I tend to go a little further than just the card's condition...<br /><br />"If only this 1978 Yount was a T205 Cobb!....-THEN I'd be RICH!"<br /><br />My conversations with myself really haven't changed all that much from when I was at home sick, watching Lost in Space re-runs on the couch and flipping through my binders...<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rob Dewolf</b><p>Paul,<br /><br />Thanks for pointing a pet peeve of mine.<br /><br />Rob<br /><br /><b>FOR SALE: Steering wheel from a 1962 Corvette 327 convertible, $100.<br /><br />Book value of steering wheel with entire car attached: $108,000.<br /><br />(Scans will be posted later tonight. First to e-mail "I'll take it" gets it.)</b>

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Still draws attention to cards from the periphery and has the potential to raise bid prices. It's the "Hey, that IS an interesting auction, maybe I should bid" crowd that you risk bringing into an auction.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>the spruiking of auctions you may gain from financially, either because they are your items or perhaps a friend's/acquaintance's. <br />If people on this board can chew out Leon for conflict of interest over auction house allegiances because of banner ads, do we really want to have to check and call out anyone who posts a link to an unfinished auction for their possible motivations?<br /><br /><br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>This is an interesting issue - on the one side I certainly can agree with the last several posters who point out this draws extra attention to a listing and might be a conflict of interest. However, I think it's helpful to have a place to discuss ongoing listings - both on ebay and through the other auction houses. I think the benefits could be bringing attention to an interesting listing (like the "Bid") to those who don't hawkishly watch ebay or discussing the merits of a lot (like the "Game Used" bat thread posted last week). <br />The existing ebay forum on the BST is really for promotion by a seller, not discussion by potential bidders. <br />Perhaps we could agree with a standard Title prefix (my half-baked suggestion; "Live-Auction:") that would easily allow those who feel such posts should be ignored to do so. That way we could maintain the value of such discussions while those who feel "tricked" into looking at what may be advertising don't even open the thread.<br /><br />Thoughts?

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>I have dealt with Will Hays and found this dealer to be reputable...I doubt this is a fake.

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Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>Matt - <br />I agree. I think there are many times when a board member has a legitimate<br />question or concern pertaining to an auction and they shouldn't feel pressure<br />of offending someone if they feel they need to discuss it before the auction has <br />ended. Again, I know some feel differently about this and they are surely entitled <br />to their opinion, but to me it's not that big of deal.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>I can assure everyone that I have no stock in this auction (or any auction, for that matter). I simply wanted some opinions from folks in-the-know before I decided whether or not to bid. Normally, I always make my own decision on that front. Its just that I have never seen damage of such severe proportions on a really important card before. Well, maybe I have, but this just seemed nuts! The theory of this occurring while being removed from an album - and recently - is probably sound. Thanks for your attention.<br /><br />Ken

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Superior<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>The only time "outing" drives me nuts is when a card appears in the wrong classification and flies under the radar. Since I rarely take the time to do the "deep searching" necessary, there's only been once or twice that I have had a bargain outed this way.

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Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>Ken,<br />If I wanted a certain card bad enough and knew that this was the only way I would ever be able to afford it, I'd go for it. At the least I could look at it whenever I wanted and say it was mine. I don't have any idea what this might peak at. Anybody here have an idea? Maybe there's no precedent but at what point does Ken overpay? (Yes I know, when he pays more than he can afford... but how about some $$ suggestions?, if Ken doesn't mind me asking that)<br /><br />BTW -- Ken, if you win, what will you do to it? Paste? Tape? Nothing?

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>I wonder if the grading company would encase it seeing as how if they are not affixed to anything, there is a likelihood that in the plastic case, one of the halves would slide and cover over the other.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>The grading companies won't slab that card.

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Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>I'm with Dan B. on this one. I'd be very shocked if anyone would slab this. <br /><p>Tony

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>What if it was taped together in the back? Obviously it would be an 'A', but would it get slabbed?

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I'd think a photograph conservationist could put that back together, reback it, then mail it in to be graded "authentic torn repaired rebacked".<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Definitely would not grade with PSA, SGC, GAI nor BGS.

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>"This Honus Wagner card has sold for 3 million dollars recently and we feel that these reprints are going to take off in value very soon. The sky is the limit!

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Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>Brian, this is the card for you!<br /><img src="http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z26/pspec/Other/t206_wagner_ripped.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>This is what every "badly creased" OJ looks like with the back removed.<br />Nice image. Rebacked it will look fine. (kinda) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Over $400. now.<br />The power of arbitrary decisions by the Hall.

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>I'm in shock! Wow, one hour to go and look at the "Bid".

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>WTF???? Skinned, trimmed and torn in half = $1,400+???????

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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>The "card" had great photo quality for a McPhee, which are more often than not found with light images. I think someone could reback this into one piece again if they knew what they were doing, but 1400 is a lot of cabbage to drop for a card in this shape.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Quite a testament to many things, including:<br />how trivial restoration has become.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Before anyone goes nuts with this beauty, I've got two McPhees in my next auction. Everybody sit tight.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Barry, I know your not into putting in flowery fluff in your descriptions, but you could really have a field day with those just by mentioning the selling price on a skinned-trimmed-torn in two McPhee.

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I'm feeling better about the vault and a half I paid for my McPhee. Didn't a whole one sell recently for only about three thousand? Maybe the price is going back up.

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>torn in half cleanly upon soaking I'd say...price is insane!<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dan- it's too silly to even bring up. Mine will have to speak for themselves.<br /><br />And this one on ebay has an appointment with a paper conservator, for sure.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>3000 for a McPhee on ebay recently? Wish I had seen that!

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Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>It boggles my mind that collectors base such expensive decisions on the often biased or ill-informed whims of Hall of Fame voters ... is Bid McPhee really a legitimate HOFer? Was he really better than dozens of players collectors care little about because they're not enshrined in Cooperstown?

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Anyone that collects OJ cards found this this auction.<br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Final bid = $1815, w/ a 0% buyers premium!